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For UR Burn and UR Tempo, Trinisphere is great for slowing down their deployment. In fact, R/x Burn is always impaired by Trinisphere. In my tournament history, I've rarely (less than 5) lost to Burn playing Chalice of the Void and Trinisphere together.Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkfrosting
I don't see Hurkyls as much as I see the most common board of 3 by force 2 echoing truth, which is still really hard to deal with. I obviously cut bridges and the slowest threats, which is usually chandra. Honestly against storm a lot of the other threats in that list are quite fast. Koth is about as fast as most beaters, and quicksmith deals 5 per turn against storm. I don't cut Fiery Confluence as it's actually a great burn spell and can sometimes kill LEDs or petals they were forced to cast because of trinisphere. Between all those cards and sin prodder the clock isn't that bad at all. I also run leyline of the void, which can be a nice lock piece that doesn't get hit by By Force or hurkyll's. I do miss turn 1 rabblemaster against storm though, that was a nice element to moggcatcher.Quote:
Originally Posted by QQQ
When I'm on MTGO though pretty much 4 out of 5 decks every league are some variation of grixis, 4-c control, or BUG. Our deck isn't reactionary, it just slams cards and expects the opponent to lose to them, so every card choice should be geared towards the meta. That's the logic in the current bridge builds. Storm is still popular enough that I'm playing against 1-2 of them per league, but the decks still operates just fine against them, and only loses a few percentage points to having a slightly slower clock, but as I said it's really not that much slower.
How does the bridge walker build react to a gaddock teeg? Sign the slip and skedaddle?
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Sorry, how does leyline get hit by force or recall?Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkfrosting
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It doesn't. But then it's not a lock piece either. There's no way Storm will go for a PiF kill against this deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
Preboard quicksmith rebel, post board sudden shock and kozilek's return, or sulfur elemental if they swing into it and you have the mana to flash it in.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
you misread my post, I said it doesn't get hitQuote:
Originally Posted by jandax
And it isn't a lock but it's a big hindrance, taking away PIF as an option and depowering cabal ritual does in fact slow them down. And if leyline isn't down they absolutely will go for it, they don't take pif out against usQuote:
It doesn't. But then it's not a lock piece either. There's no way Storm will go for a PiF kill against this deck.
Fair enough. Mistakes are always made.
I'll say it after Koby, 3ball is a big old thorn in the side of grixis decks. I'm convinced that we should be playing 3 MD, no matter the build. The meta is still shook.
It's good to play hate.dec right meow.
Absolutely agree on 3-sphere, I run 3 main. Against a lot of decks I'll take it out when I'm on the draw but I think it's great right now, and I agree with Koby that along with chalice it's our best tool against UR burn/tempo. Against decks that straight up fold to moon I also like the turn 1-2 3-sphere, if it resolves they can't counter moon on our next turn, if not it eats some countermagic so we can resolve moon anyway.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
Both playing this deck:Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott
Planeswalker (5)
4 Chandra, Torch of Defiance
1 Koth of the Hammer
Creature (14)
1 Hazoret the Fervent
4 Magus of the Moon
1 Quicksmith Rebel
4 Simian Spirit Guide
4 Sin Prodder
Sorcery (4)
4 Fiery Confluence
Artifact (15)
4 Chalice of the Void
4 Chrome Mox
4 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Trinisphere
Enchantment (4)
4 Blood Moon
Land (18)
4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
10 Mountain
Sideboard (15)
1 Trinisphere
1 Ashen Rider
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Sudden Shock
4 Sulfur Elemental
3 Volcanic Fallout
i think leyline and koth are crap cuz of various reasons but thats just me...
fallout might have suprised a lot delver/deathrite players...
Yeah honestly this list looks janky. I'm one to talk, but unless you're running a tutor package, one of's do not cut it in this archetype. It wins on the back of hate for sure. I'd like to see someone run this through a paper local
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well one of's are ok but they need to have a good impact and stuff like koth is just good if you are already ahead...
that said one ashen rider to lucksack vs show and tell?
reanimator can play around leyline specially if you keep a weak hand just cuz of leyline + it is just good if your opp gets suprised by it...
Both have the same maindeck as my list from yesterday's results with a slightly different sideboard, which is the same maindeck that top 8'd the legacy challenge last week.
Leyline is not great but it is a concession to BR reanimator, which just grabs your chalices and trinispheres out of your hand if they're on the play. It is really amazing if you can resolve it with either a chalice or a trinisphere though, making it difficult for them to dig for their enchantment destruction. It has actually performed very well for me, but perhaps I'm just lucky. I've had it since I started playing moggcatcher after the top ban and I've played over 100 games online since then with plenty of wins against reanimator. It can also be sided in against storm, and while not backbreaking it's better than a lot of cards in the maindeck that do nothing against storm so it can be a nice hindrance to them if you happen to get it out.
Koth is basically in the deck because planeswalkers dodge almost all removal and they synergize very well with bridge and he's the next best red planeswalker behind Chandra, TOD. Very few people are playing council's judgement or maelstrom pulse anymore making them some of the hardest threats to remove with spells.
personal choice nothing more... played the matchups on both sides and have a different opinion i gues...Quote:
Leyline is not great but it is a concession to BR reanimator, which just grabs your chalices and trinispheres out of your hand if they're on the play. It is really amazing if you can resolve it with either a chalice or a trinisphere though, making it difficult for them to dig for their enchantment destruction. It can also be sided in against storm, and while not backbreaking it's better than a lot of cards in the maindeck that do nothing against storm so it can be a nice hindrance to them if you happen to get it out.
i really get the "why" but i think it is just miserable if you have 1-2 mountain and they kill them... same story if they have pressure... if you have the lock online it really does not matter how you win...Quote:
Koth is basically in the deck because planeswalkers dodge almost all removal and they synergize very well with bridge and he's the next best red planeswalker behind Chandra, TOD. Very few people are playing council's judgement or maelstrom pulse anymore making them some of the hardest threats to remove with spells.
I think Leyline is worse than Relic, Tormod's Crypt and Faerie Macabre combined. I've been using 3 Macabre and 2 Relic; where relic has value against DRS/Goyf decks.
I have recently removed koth from my list and my friend was saying that he is amazing when behind a bridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wichtelman
But what I was told and then realised is that when behind he does nothing. His + doesn't even give the mountain haste, his - is rather pitiful unless a blood moon effect is out. His ultimate is absolutely incredible, but it's got the same issues as the -.
It's really a reaction to BR reanimator's popularity over traditional reanimator. An uncounterable effect that lands turn 0 is immune to thoughtseize and unmask, which hit faerie macabre easily. If traditional reanimator comes back in force I would switch to different grave hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
I could never justify running relic in a deck with chalice, especially in matchup where our turn one play should always be chalice on 1 if possible.
So what are you doing the other 60% of the time when you don't fan open a Chalice of the Void?Quote:
Originally Posted by pinkfrosting