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I'm not completely sure vs SneakShow. Would you board Boil/Chalice?
Standard list, 3 Depths 1 Karakas 1 Boseiju MD + SB:
4 Sphere
4 K Grip
2 Boil
2 Tracker
1 Primeval Titan
1 Bog
1 Chalice
I'm at:
-4 Punishing Fire, -1 Manabond, -1 Life from the Loam, -1 Tabernacle, -1 Glacial Chasm, -1 Maze of Ith
+4 Sphere, +4 K Grip, +1 Primeval Titan
little fun note: With Sphere and Chalice on 1 out, you can use Boseiju to play Gamble/Crop Rotation through it.
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Originally Posted by Alexeezay
I want these: 4 sphere, 2 tracker, 4 grip, 1 titan, 1 chalice.
In my list I cut:
tabernacle, 2 maze (leave 1 in), 1 bog, 1 loam, 1 wasteland, 4 punishing fire, 1 worm harvest, 1 chasm
My list is not like yours so ymmv. (I also want the needle and 2 other tracker from my sideboard)
I just finished building this deck and am still learning a lot of the ins and outs. Quick question was about the card Glacial Chasm. It does a pretty basic static effect when it's out but I am confused at where this card is at its best, tips and tricks to do with it, and when to side it out? Any help would be awesome as it's the one card I don't know how to use to its max potential yet.
Thank you
When paired with Exploration:Quote:
Originally Posted by Deadinthestreet
Burn can't beat it. UR Delver can't beat it. Infect can't really beat it.
The card buys a lot of time to set up the win.
Tips with Chasm: combined with loam, exploration and stages, copy the chasm in response to its upkeep, sac the original and loam it back to prevent destroying your life total. sets up a lovely soft lock keeping the aforementioned decks from killing you
side it out against decks like miracles, storm, mud, shardless, etc.
I did unexpectedly find it's super good vs Belcher tho so like value
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Check this link for an example of Chasm in ActionQuote:
Originally Posted by Deadinthestreet
Infect has Wasteland combined with Crop Rotation, so you have to be careful against them. They also love to cast Vines of Vastwood when you Port them, which also nullifies your Maze of Ith.Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
That's why you need a Exploration, to keep a Chasm-lock in play. It's not easy, either way. Eventually you will out-grind Infect.Quote:
Originally Posted by jhport12
EDIT: check the link I posted earlier on, it gives you a perfect example. By the way, Kevin King is a really good player, check his MU's via my link.
Especially agains decks without reach like infect, feel free to eat a couple chasm triggers if you feel like it will help you stabilize. Just because you can eventually set it up where you dont take damage from chasm anymore means you never should eat a tigger or two
That was extremely wreckless of him. D&T plays 4 Wasteland and 4 Flickerwisp. This is why he got the draw - he tried to be cute. At any point, if his opponent draws a Wasteland or Flickerwisp he auto loses.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chatto
I'm not talking about the outcome, I merely illustrate the Chasm in Action. Either way, he did not have the kill, and he would be dead without even trying the Chasm-lock.Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
Okay. As an example of the Chasm lock it's a good one. But I don't want people to think it's viable in most games against Death & Taxes because I think the majority of the time King gets punished. I could go on a length about King's play in that match. I have no doubt he's a skilled player (He made top 8 of Champs after 11 swiss rounds last year) but his playstyle is pretty dang wreckless for me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Chatto
You are right, I should have stated earlier on what I was trying to illustrate, my bad. I also agree regarding D&T: you do not want to rely on a Chasm-lock during this MU.Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
King has a certain playstyle, which can be called wreckless. I still like it (to a certain degree), though, but it requires a lot of games with RGCL.
@ barcode interesting. Does that mean you got 4 Trackers in your sideboard atm? :D
Yup. The card is absurd. Have you ever resolved it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Alexeezay
I've noticed through watching various Lands players play on coverage - some have very strong "Glacial Chasm game" and some not so much. "Glacial Chasm game" is kind of a micro-skill set with the deck. Basically what I mean is that in tight situations some Lands players are very good at managing their life total and playing around multiple things to keep up the Chasm lock and work towards a defined victory condition. Others are a little bit too careless and leave themselves over-exposed while trying to Chasm lock. Others just don't have a game plan and kind of dig themselves into a hole that they can't get out of and can't win the game. Basically, some just get a little bit loose because maintaining a Chasm lock can be very stressful - especially when you have to play around certain elements.
This is a really good video of barcode playing out a Chasm lock against UR Delver - playing around as much as possible and working towards a defined victory condition:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I1fL3QPVQ-8 (Starts at about 1:05:00)
Yup, in my opinion it's the real deal. You're playing four? You've been converted? :wink: I'm on three right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
I even made a mistake in that game, it might be hard to spot if you -- the viewer -- can't see my graveyard and library.Quote:
Originally Posted by hyp3r1on
What did you cut to fit the 4 in?Quote:
Originally Posted by barcode
What does your sideboard look like?
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Originally Posted by CovenantElite30
4 Tireless Tracker
4 Krosan Grip
3 Sphere of Resistance
2 Chalice of the Void
1 Pithing Needle
1 Primeval Titan
What did I cut? I cut cards like the 4th Crop Rotation and 4th Dark Depths to fit in Karakas and Bog in my starting 60. Hell, I even have a Ghost Quarter and Worm Harvest in the starting 60.