Re: [Deck] T.E.S - The EPIC Storm
Sorry bout the doublepost.
Went 6-3 at the GP, only missing Day 2 by two play mistakes at 11.30pm in round 9. Two nights with 4 hours of sleep left me behind a wrecked person. Bummed out that I didn't make Day 2. Didn't need the EtW plan too often (was lucky enough to dodge most blue) but I'm 75% happy about it. Will start thinking of alternatives next week.
Also quite sure I want to run a third Mystical, I don't think I was ever unhappy to see it (though the possibility of me just playing NLS from tomorrow onward is high).
Will edit in a report either tomorrow or later next week. Or reply with one if any comments are given.
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Ok, forget about Empty the Warrens vs Counterbalance, because Carpet of Flowers + Vexing Shusher is the post board nuts vs the Counterbalance match up. You just drop Carpet of Flowers for the +2 mana per turn, slip Vexing Shusher thru' their Counterbalance and just drop all of your accelerants thru' Counterbalance activations by playing your 0 drop and then your 1 drop acceleration to force them to burn mana with Top.
It's way better than Pyroblast and Krosan Grip IMO.
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BreathWeapon
Ok, forget about Empty the Warrens vs Counterbalance, because Carpet of Flowers + Vexing Shusher is the post board nuts vs the Counterbalance match up. You just drop Carpet of Flowers for the +2 mana per turn, slip Vexing Shusher thru' their Counterbalance and just drop all of your accelerants thru' Counterbalance activations by playing your 0 drop and then your 1 drop acceleration to force them to burn mana with Top.
It's way better than Pyroblast and Krosan Grip IMO.
Two card combos that don't win the game! Wooooooo!
How much sideboard space is this?
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Bryant Cook
Two card combos that don't win the game! Wooooooo!
How much sideboard space is this?
Carpet of Flowers is a recurring ritual and Vexing Shusher is uncounterable disruption, it's not a two card combo it's synergy between two cards that you could run in Storm on their own merit.
8 slots, there's plenty of space, I have 1 open slot left.
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I'm pretty sure that Carpet of Flowers is good for T.E.S, I don't feel very good about Shusher unless the mana situation is changed. Plus relying on getting two cards to fight hate it once is a terrible idea.
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SuperBean
I'm pretty sure that Carpet of Flowers is good for T.E.S, I don't feel very good about Shusher unless the mana situation is changed. Plus relying on getting two cards to fight hate it once is a terrible idea.
Carpet of Flowers did change the mana situation, that's my point; neither card relies on the other to fight against hate, they just happen to fight against hate extremely well together.
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You are just taking up to many SB slots and making the deck even more vulnerable to blasts and removal. Swarm serves a much different role than Shusher. Carpet of Flowers is good .... but not in TES, it has enough rituals and really doesn't need a ritual that is removed by EE and Grip.
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Pulp_Fiction
You are just taking up to many SB slots and making the deck even more vulnerable to blasts and removal. Swarm serves a much different role than Shusher. Carpet of Flowers is good .... but not in TES, it has enough rituals and really doesn't need a ritual that is removed by EE and Grip.
Of course Xantid Swarm and Vexing Shusher serve different roles, what does that have to do with it? Vexing Shusher is no more vulnerable to Swords to Plowshares than Vexing Shusher is, and personally I see more SB Spell Pierce than I do Blue Elemental Blasts (and a Blue Elemental Blast on Vexing Shusher is just trading for a Rite of Flame or Burning Wish regardless). If opponents SB in Krosan Grip and keep in Engineered Explosives for Carpet of Flowers, I will laugh my fucking ass off at how terrible they are; PLEASE waste three mana on countering a Ritual, especially after it's already generated at least 2 mana ...
Too much SB space? I use 6 wish slots, 1 open slot and 8 dedicated slots to the aggro-control match up regardless, it's no different.
Seriously guys, come up with an actual argument or bother to play test boarding in the Carpet/Shusher package on the draw, the match up isn't solvable with Pyroblast and Krosan Grip and Empty the Warrens is exploitable if they anticipate it. Another option comprised of two already good cards in Storm combo shouldn't merit this much doubt right off the bat.
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BreathWeapon
Of course Xantid Swarm and Vexing Shusher serve different roles, what does that have to do with it? Vexing Shusher is no more vulnerable to Swords to Plowshares than Vexing Shusher is, and personally I see more SB Spell Pierce than I do Blue Elemental Blasts (and a Blue Elemental Blast on Vexing Shusher is just trading for a Rite of Flame or Burning Wish regardless). If opponents SB in Krosan Grip and keep in Engineered Explosives for Carpet of Flowers, I will laugh my fucking ass off at how terrible they are; PLEASE waste three mana on countering a Ritual, especially after it's already generated at least 2 mana ...
Too much SB space? I use 6 wish slots, 1 open slot and 8 dedicated slots to the aggro-control match up regardless, it's no different.
Seriously guys, come up with an actual argument or bother to play test boarding in the Carpet/Shusher package on the draw, the match up isn't solvable with Pyroblast and Krosan Grip and Empty the Warrens is exploitable if they anticipate it. Another option comprised of two already good cards in Storm combo shouldn't merit this much doubt right off the bat.
Can you even think of six cards to take out of the maindeck to replace these with? I certainly can't. Swarm/Duress/Chant with Grips/ETW is more sucessful because they're a proactive solution where the other two are reactive.
Carpet of Flowers could only add one or two mana. Sit on Fetchlands/Wasteland/Mutavault while they kick out your teeth. This is especially bad with Shusher since he'll need next to a million mana to play through counterbalance/top.
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I board out Simian Spirit Guides for Carpet of Flowers and Orim's Chant for Vexing Shusher in a straight 8 card for 8 card swap on the draw, Carpet of Flowers usually generates at least 2 mana when Counterbalance is active or retards their mana development and prevents them from pressuring you while you develop your board state (Land drops, Brainstorm/Ponders etc). I'm not against ETW, but Krosan Grip is a card I loath because it's a reactive instead of a pro-active solution to Counterbalance that does nothing if the opponent is holding counters and not resolving Counterbalance on me.
As an aside, I found an interesting Portal card for the SB called "Balance of Power," for 3UU you get a Diminishing Returns on the play that doesn't redraw your opponent's hand similar to how Slithermuse worked - I highly recommend it, it lets you combo off with Burning Wish immediately with no regard for drawing your opponent into Force of Will or playing into Engineered Explosives, which is excellent for when you're flying blind.
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I played in Vestal last weekend. Very hungover.
Round One: Landstill
Game One: I ended up discarding Tendrils to LED and Ad Nauseam without a way to win. I ETW for 28. Silence, then Chant w/ Kicker on upkeep versus landstill. He had an Elsepth with a Token...I was at 4.
Game Two: He left Wrath in with his 3 EEs. My turn 2 ETW did not get there. Wrath + Cannonist.
Game Three: I had Turn 2 Xantid, with upkeep Chant for his turn 2 Cannonist. He plays swords on my upkeep, his turn Cannonist. Fuck me.
Lesson? Don't always count on your opponent to be a good player. Leaving in Wrath and Swords? What? Really? He never saw Xantid until game 3.
Round Two: Merfolk
Game One: Turn 1 ETW for 10.
Game Two: Turn 1 Duress, Nauseam.
Round 3: Merfolk
Game One: ETW for 12 on turn 1.
Game Two: He crushed my face.
Game Three: He had 3 Cursecatcher Daze and Force when I attempted to go off turn 3.
Needless to say 1-2 drop. Empty the Warrens seemed good. However, tough match-ups while not feeling the greatest.
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What do you guys do to take care of Gaddock Teeg vs Zoo? It seems like the ones I played last night all had 4 between maindeck and
sideboard, and games when I saw multiples I was I dead in the water. Burning Wish for Grapeshot to kill one so I can go off next turn, then they just play another and I have no outs at all.
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To be fair Bryant, when I board for combo (LS), I'm used to TES/ANT enough that I keep in 2 StP & 3 Lightning Helix for it. Probably a result of paranoia/reading the combo threads on here. WoG, I really can't explain that one. Why EtW when you know he could have EE?
Probably playing this at a local tonight, to kind of test the waters (depends on what I see when I get there). The only things I've been doing is practicing in a vacuum, but from reading Bryant's reports I understand what I'm looking for during each matchup. No Stax, a couple of CB/Top. It seems like a match made in heaven. Quick question, is EtW better against Merfolk now that there are MD Echoing Truths? Or do we just not count on them to draw it, etc?
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Personally I feel it is more of a gut call. I often avoid that kill if I can. I would prefer to wait a turn and take my chances on Tendrils as opposed to the gobo method.
It also depends on game 1 or 2. So far I have never needed the Empty plan against Merfolk game 1 in any storm lists I have run. I have however used the Empty plan alot going into game 3 simply because by then my opponent often assumes I don't have them becasue they assume they would have seen them by game 3 and often will thus have no answer for the token menace.
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Forked Bolt r
Sorcery Uncommon
Forked Bolt deals 2 damage divided as you choose among one or two target creatures and/or players.
Possible addition over a Deathmark?
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It doesn't kill Iona, but Iona usually names black anyway. The one problem I can see is that it might not kill a hatebear with a jitte. I've run into several situations where something like Teeg or Canonist was commencing the beatdown by itself aided by jitte.
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I fully agree with Emidlin on that. I can't come up with a scenario where Forked Bolt is more useful than Deathmark.
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Has there been any significant changes that aren't updated on the opening post?
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Nope. I haven't played Magic in two months. Last thing I tried was Empty the Warrens over Ill-Gotten Gains.
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Bryant Cook
Nope. I haven't played Magic in two months. Last thing I tried was Empty the Warrens over Ill-Gotten Gains.
(If you were able to test) did you like this change, and did it improve the matchup a lot?
One more question, against Counterbalance, does a TES player want to go all out and hope to win before Counterbalance resolves? or do you wait and look for an opening when they are doing something?
