Oops, All Spells! (Formerly The Rogue Hermit)

Found this list looking through the Legacy Dailies, went 3-1 with a new win condition.

Cynthesis (3-1)
Legacy Daily #5019862 on 02/17/2013


Main Deck
60 cards

4 Balustrade Spy
4 Elvish Spirit Guide
1 Lord of Extinction
4 Narcomoeba
4 Simian Spirit Guide
1 The Mimeoplasm
4 Tinder Wall
1 Triskelion
4 Undercity Informer
1 Wild Cantor
28 creatures

4 Cabal Ritual
2 Cabal Therapy
4 Chrome Mox
4 Dark Ritual
1 Dread Return
1 Gitaxian Probe
4 Lotus Petal
4 Manamorphose
4 Rite of Flame
4 Summoner's Pact
32 other spells

Sideboard
2 Barren Moor
1 Giant Solifuge
4 Leyline of Sanctity
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Pact of Negation
15 sideboard cards

I love how these lists just lose to a Silence. Oops, all-in. :)

I wouldn't say that. I faced him round one of this event. G1 Turn 1 kill on the play. G2 Turn 1 kill on the draw and he counters my silence with pact of negation.

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Originally Posted by slylie

Found this list looking through the Legacy Dailies, went 3-1 with a new win condition.
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1 The Mimeoplasm
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Originally Posted by nudon

Here's my list. It wins on turn 1 pretty consistently.
http://deckstats.net/deck-1858360-9c...7126abc64.html
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Mimeoplasm kill dodges swords, bolt, stifle, etc.

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also on page 6, more discussion:

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Originally Posted by nudon

Thanks, welcome to the Source! Mimeoplasm kill is totally fine (he's actually my edh general) in my opinion. However, one of the benefits of running maniac is you can side out angel and azami since your opponent will be taking out all his removal spells anyways and you have cabal therapy flashback just in case.

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And...well, why don't you let google be your friend.

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Originally Posted by Lejay

I wouldn't say that. I faced him round one of this event. G1 Turn 1 kill on the play. G2 Turn 1 kill on the draw and he counters my silence with pact of negation.

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Possible? Sure. Realistic? Less so. That's a ridiculous hand to get regardless: Petal, SSG, DR, enabler, Pact. That's really low odds.

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Originally Posted by Koby

I love how these lists just lose to a Silence. Oops, all-in. :)

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you have to HAVE the silence and a way to cast it turn 0 on the draw, and you HAVE to have the Silence+Tundra...which does considerable 'damage' to openers for most decks. Frankly, I'd be more worried about Chalice of the Void and its Leyline brethren.

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Originally Posted by phazonmuant

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also on page 6, more discussion:


And...well, why don't you let google be your friend.

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So what's your point? I'm simply showing a list that made money in a MTGO tourney recently, the list is much different from the one you linked to, it simply uses a similar kill condition.

The original kill condition gets around stp or AD fine anyways, unless they have and can cast three copies. I like that it also gets around any shroud effects like White leyline, solitary confinement, forcefield ect. It's just a win button.

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Originally Posted by Darkenslight

you have to HAVE the silence and a way to cast it turn 0 on the draw, and you HAVE to have the Silence+Tundra...which does considerable 'damage' to openers for most decks. Frankly, I'd be more worried about Chalice of the Void and its Leyline brethren.

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I mean, I play TES from time to time, so that's not unheard of with such a deck.

So in summary:
Must be on the play.
Must have a way to stop Force of Will (Pact or Therapy).
Must have a hand to be able to generate 4 mana and have the Spy/Informer.

Like I said, this is realistic. /sarcasm

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Originally Posted by slylie

Found this list looking through the Legacy Dailies, went 3-1 with a new win condition.
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1 The Mimeoplasm
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The Mimeoplasm as a win-con is not new. It has been in Breakfast for a while now. Angel gets around Leyline of Sanctity and one removal spell.

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Originally Posted by Kap'n Cook

The Mimeoplasm as a win-con is not new. It has been in Breakfast for a while now. Angel gets around Leyline of Sanctity and one removal spell.

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Oh sorry, I forgot to check the breakfast decklists that haven't won a tournament in 7 years.

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Originally Posted by slylie

Oh sorry, I forgot to check the breakfast decklists that haven't won a tournament in 7 years.

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There have already been some Informer lists involving Mimeoplasm. No need to get saucy.

i been trying aether vial so i can keep one mana hands and win a couple turns down the road, mimeoplasm beats leyline by adding dragon breath

Latest list I'm playing.

4 Undercity informer
4 balustrade spy

4 gitaxian probe
4 street waith

4 simian spirit guide
4 elvish spirit guide
4 summoner's pact
4 dark ritual
3 cabal ritual
1 wild cantor

4 Lotus petal
4 Chrome mox

2 cabal therapy
4 pact of negation

4 narcomoeba
2 Bridge from below
1 dread return
3 Combo


Side:

4 charbelcher
4 leds
4 spoils of the vault
3 Rite of flame

About Pact of Negation, it's MVP, and it's cool still when you transform your deck to charbelcher, I delete all of manamorphosis copies, the wort card of the deck. 13 cards for black are enough. With 2 bridges we can do -1 moeba + 1 cabal ritual/wild cantor/manamorphosis.

This deck is inherently powerful, however it is also fragile and easy to hate out. Surgical ruins your day, as does force, and any deck playing more than a combined total of six of these cards will be an unenjoyable matchup, especially games two and three when your opponents know to mulligan into hate on the draw. When you are on the draw, you are inherently disadvantaged because one blue mana represents multiple ways to interact with you, and one hand disruption spell is often brutal, and one of any mana means that they can cast a free spell (surgical, force, daze) and still pay for Chancellor.

People know about this deck right now because it's so powerful, but I know that on MTGO, I've begin boarding all four surgicals because the desk is so popular on the online meta. In a real tournament, it will probably take a few months before people forget about this, and then someone will win with it. It's like Dredge - people forget to bring hate, and then get punished.

Also, one of the inherent weaknesses of this deck is that it's very hard to really sideboard when you play no lands at all. Though I've mainly played against this deck, I'm really surprised that the version with Land Grant hasn't taken off, as with 4 Land Grants, 1 Land, 4 Probes, and 4 Street Wraith, I imagine it's not difficult to remove the land on the first turn. Or perhaps, you can board in the package so that your additional hate isn't dead.

What do you guys think of the list Bryant Cook posted on his article using Worldly Tutor to fetch up Spy/Informer and then drawing it with Probe/Street Wraith?

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Originally Posted by Esper3k

What do you guys think of the list Bryant Cook posted on his article using Worldly Tutor to fetch up Spy/Informer and then drawing it with Probe/Street Wraith?

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While I fully support the addtion of Worldly Tutor, I cannot see the Street Wraiths and Probes being a good addition. Drawing is less than ideal in this deck and without Worldly Tutor ensuring what you draw, it's an unncessary risk. Additionally, he points to the play of playing Worldly Tutor and then using the Street Wraith/Probe to draw the tutored card and still go off. The odds of your opening hand having the ability to generate 5 mana (4 for the Spy/Informer and 1 for the Tutor), Probe or Wraith, and the Tutor in hand are incredibly small, especially when he removes spots for mana acceleration with all the cantrips and protection. Worldly Tutor is reliable if you wait a turn until after the draw, but if you do that then why have the cantrips. The cantrips spots would be better as mana accel to ensure the combo can go off more frequently or at least as protection slots.

I personally include 4 Worldly Tutors. With 4, the odds of drawing at least one of the necessary pieces to combo off (Spies/Informers/Tutors) is ~80%. Without Tutors the odds are ~66% and with only 2 the odds are ~75%.

0 Tutors = auto mulligan 1 out of 3 hands
2 Tutors = auto mulligan 1 out of 4 hands
4 Tutors = auto mulligan 1 out of 5 hands

The consistency gained from the Tutor and the decrease in card disadvantage due to agressive mulligans validates his inclusion and personally I feel it justifies a full 4.

I have tried including the Probes/Wraiths, but the vast majority of the time I was using them to dig for mana accel and just wishing that they were mana accel instead.

I also disagree with including Manamorphose. While it is a good mana fixer, this deck has plenty of ways to generate black mana without it. Whenever most methods failed, I would just Tutor for a Wild Cantor or use the Summoner's Pact to get one. I have never felt the need for Manamorhpose and not including it freed up spots for additional mana accel.

I've been going back and forth including Pact of Negation main board, but it's a definitely in my side.

I also noticed his list had no Bridge from Below. If you draw a Narcomoeba and a combo piece with his list, and don't have the Spy to combo off with, then you lose. The odds of having drawing both a Narcomoeba and a combo piece are ~16%. That's quite a bit since with his list he also auto mulligans once every four hands anyway due to not drawing Spy/Informer/Tutor. In his defense he did say you have to aggressively mulligan, but I ask why? We should be reducing mulligan chances as much as possible and his list raises this more than anything.

His sideboard is also terrible. Including Charbelcher without LED in his side is not good. His list will already have a difficult time generating the four/five mana he needs to go off and he thinks you can include the Charbelcher with no additional mana accel and be fine? Personally I hate the Charbelcher transformation, but if you do include it then you need the LEDs.

Edit: This was based off this list: http://jupitergames.info/articles/20...cal-tendencies

I don't think I had the right article either.

Where is it? Thanks ^^

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Originally Posted by Esper3k

What do you guys think of the list Bryant Cook posted on his article using Worldly Tutor to fetch up Spy/Informer and then drawing it with Probe/Street Wraith?

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nudon and I tried some lists a few pages back and thought it was garbage. Inconsistent in getting the "combo" of tutor + draw and they make evaluating hands extremely difficult / impossible.

I tried Worldly tutor too, but I don't like it at all. In my opinion is better than living wish+led, but not that good as the 8 "hermit" and 4 probe 4 street waiths version.

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Originally Posted by phazonmuant

nudon and I tried some lists a few pages back and thought it was garbage. Inconsistent in getting the "combo" of tutor + draw and they make evaluating hands extremely difficult / impossible.

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Yeah, phazonmuant and I have tried a lot of these suggestions on earlier pages of the forum so feel free to dig through them so you can save time.

On worldly tutor vs. living wish:

Living wish + balustrade spy = 6 mana
Worldly tutor + balustrade spy/informer = 5 mana + cycler

On average, 1 card generates just above 1 mana (dark ritual nets 2 and in rare cases cabal ritual nets 3) so the 6th mana is actually easier to accomplish than getting a cycler. Also, there are more mana generators in the deck than cyclers. In addition to making mulligan decisions tougher, cyclers can unfortunately grab an undesired combo piece from the deck due to the high density of dead draws too.