[Deck] Aggro Loam

man i really love your list, it looks just awesome, the only thing i would change is chalice to thoughtseize, and smother+GftT to Swords to Plowshares, and adapt the sideboard to my meta.... really awesome list

i have tested Dark Dephts in a rock-shell with living wishes, and found the win-con really nice, specially with recursion
in your deck this win-con more seems on paper like a plan B but with knight usable at wish, which is really nice

i definitely like your dephts- list way better than anyone i have seen before, and maybe i will switch my rock-build to your list, as they are alike

congratz for the nice finish as well

Thanks aggro steve... yep I think the list has potential.... could use a lil more work... however...

In all honesty, Dark depths is plan B and thats the way I designed the list.However, it seems that I won more out of plan B than anything else...

The main reason I went chalice is to have a permanent protection for Marit Lage. Thoutseize protects it, but not for a long time... CHalice also protects Kotr and confidant at times from those 1 cc removal..I think chalice hits a lot of things still although other people think that chalice sucks in todays meta.

So I don't think ill be looking at thoughtseize right now, or stp. However if you do test it, please do inform me of how it goes for you...

Right now my list would be
-1 vindicate +1 EE and maybe move the vindicate to the sb..since more and more ppl are using planeswalkers.
Im still thinking about replacing VIndicate with Maelstrom pulse...but I will have to test it still.. it may make the mana base much easier to deal with since the only real white youll have is Kotr and stp from the side...

Congrats! What did you win?

-Matt

@sdmatt
lol... standard packs.. which really sucked because there is nothing I want in m12... I just sold them cheap to quickly get rid of them...and use the money to buy something else...

Got crushed today using sdematt's list around page 27. I lost to BW Junk/Deadguy and 1-drop zoo. BW just had everything, elspeths, bitterblossoms, stoneforges. I kept killing their stuff off but every card they play is just such a huge threat that I can't really deal with it after a while, I run out of answers.

1drop zoo consistently killed me before I could stabilize. One game I had loam+assault going but he just stuck a library and I was already at low life (t1 guide t2 guide + nacatl, t3 nacatl + goyf took me down fast) and he kept paying life to draw into burn spells while keeping himself out of range (I douldn't hit a cycler), and just burned me out. Was a bit of bad luck on my part, but when his creatures have 3 toughness and my burn spells deal 2 it's pretty awkward.

I beat another guy playing the same BW deck, but he got screwed both games and I also got loam+wasteland online along with grove+fire, and everything he plays has 2 toughness. The guy I lost to had obliterators, and once he put a sword of feast and famine on them I had absolutely no way of dealing with them.

Obliterator is a pretty corner case card. If you're supremely concerned, run Terminates and Smothers again, or Terminates over Smothers. It doesn't personally come up that much for me, since I usually just blow them out with Loam + Assault, or just Fires or Wasteland. Not hitting a cycler also sucks.

Play the deck against U/W Stoneblade pre and postboard, play against Merfolk pre and post, play against RUG pre and post board. You'll like those matchups, I think. Nothing's 80-20, but it can be pretty decent for you. Racing Progenitus with Seismic Assault is hot stuff.

-Matt

Placed third at the local Legacy, losing only to the guy who took first, who was playing a unique Junk/Loam hybrid. I lost game 1 due to not Loaming on Turn 2, since he wasted me out then Loamed himself and I never drew another land again.

Game 2, He Extirpated away my first Loam, I wished for the one in the Board, then he Extirpated that. It was just plain awkward.

But, he was playing a build that I may or may not post (I have to ask him if it's alright). It seemed pretty solid.

I was also postulating an alternate 4C build, and screwing consistency. I want to see if there's a better 4C option than just playing Micah's list. My list so far seems decently greedy, but it has a main card change that I think is pretty key. I'll post when I can.

-Matt

So this is my "super-all-in" list that I've been dreaming up. It doesn't play Assault (although it really should to be truly all in).

The deck my friend was playing was using Entomb to get Loam, and it was super good to him. It also allowed him to bin Worm Harvest, a creature, Volrath's Stronghold, Punishing Fires, Grove, Wasteland, Cycling land, etc. To be honest, I almost want to play Entomb in my build, but there's no space.

The List

1 Forest
1 Mountain
1 Swamp
1 Karakas
3 Wasteland
2 Grove
5 Cycling Lands
6 Fetches
6 Duals
1 Stronghold

4 Mox Diamond
3 Life form the Loam
2 Burning Wish
3 Entomb
2 Sylvan Library
2 Punishing Fire
2 Smother
3 Vindicate

3 Knight
4 Dark Confidant
2 Terravore (I'll probably add another to my RGB build. He was VERY good, even against Crypts and such).
4 Tarmogoyf

BOARD
1 Devastating Dreams
1 Loam
1 Pulse
1 Perish
1 Tariff
1 Worm Harvest
1 Crucible of Worlds
3 Extirpate
2 Grip
1 Grudge
1 Hull Breech
1 Thrun

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In all honestly, I really want a Buried Ruin and a Riftstone Portal, but there's no slots. Entomb is SUPER DUPER good though. It makes Stronghold that much better, and it gives you more ways to get Loam or the combo online. It's also nice to have a way to tutor for a cycling land or Karakas.

Thoughts? Again, this is totally untested, but I just wanted to put Entomb out there.

-Matt

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Originally Posted by nayon

Got crushed today using sdematt's list around page 27. I lost to BW Junk/Deadguy and 1-drop zoo. BW just had everything, elspeths, bitterblossoms, stoneforges. I kept killing their stuff off but every card they play is just such a huge threat that I can't really deal with it after a while, I run out of answers.

1drop zoo consistently killed me before I could stabilize. One game I had loam+assault going but he just stuck a library and I was already at low life (t1 guide t2 guide + nacatl, t3 nacatl + goyf took me down fast) and he kept paying life to draw into burn spells while keeping himself out of range (I douldn't hit a cycler), and just burned me out. Was a bit of bad luck on my part, but when his creatures have 3 toughness and my burn spells deal 2 it's pretty awkward.

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Burning Wish -> Devastating Dreams is how you solve the one-drop Zoo problem. That, and COTV out of the board. Otherwise, you're probably done for even with Fires/Grove or Assault. In fact, DD pretty much dominates any non-blue aggro deck atm.

I tried running Buried Ruin for EE recursion, but it just felt really clunky in actual play. Losing the land always seemed to hurt more than I thought it would, and another colorless source was a strain sometimes.

Also, I'm assuming Stronghold is supposed to be in that list somewhere?

Yeah, I forgot it. I wrote that at 1AM after a 4-hour test.

-Matt

Here is a list I am going to be probably trying at the next Legacy event:

3 Taiga
1 Bayou
3 Badlands
1 Forest
1 Mountain
4 Wasteland
3 Forgotten Cave
3 Tranquil thicket
1 Volrath's Stronghold
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Bloodstained Mire

4 Tarmogoyf
4 Dark Confidant
4 Countryside Crusher
1 Terravore

4 Mox Diamond
4 Life from the Loam
3 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Devastating Dreams
3 Seismic Assault
2 Sylvan Library
2 Go for the Throat



I played 4c loam last weekend, and I think it is just not necessary, the mana is bad and KoR does not get you enough to sacrifice the consistency of 3 colors.

Since I am not running KoR, i took out the p.fires/grove combo as it is just too unreliable w/o running 3-4 ofs of each.

Thoughts?

You should replace 1 Pulse and 1 Go for the Throat with 2 EE. This gives you flexibility without having a high mana cost, or being able to split the manacost across several turns. This is very useful against SFM (X=2), speed Zoo (X=1), Storm combo (X=0), and planeswalkers (X=4). You do lose the ability to recur, but that's also the case with Pulse and GftT.

Go for the Throat should be Smother. For consistency's sake, I'd actually add a Mountain. I miss having 2 Mountains all the time, since you can just fetch for all basics and profit like a champ.

I think 1 Pulse should be an EE, but you want small removal like Smother also. I'd honestly just go to 2 EE at 61. You go through so much of you're deck with Loam, it's not a huge deal.

-Matt

i have a problem w/ ee in this deck, there is almost never a way to get a 2 for 1 from it and it is very slow, 5 mana to kill a 3 drop, and your opponent is very rarely going to have more than 1 in play and u still be in the game and have 5 mana available to do it.

second of all, the deck also plays everything from 0,2,3 in it, so the only thing i see ee doing is killing some 1 drops in zoo, vial/cursecatcher in merfolk and 0 vs storm seems pretty irrelevant usually because they don't play the 0 drops until youre going to lose anyway.

i think go for the throat or lavamancer has to be the play in that slot.
i went w/ go for the throat because tombstalker is a real card and they play daze so mpulse is a bad out.

im not sure why ee was played in this deck, i guess because mpulse did not exist and more people played 1 drop creatures like nacatl/mongoose that you wanted to kill.

i do want something better than go for the throat/terminate in the deck, maybe it is just correct to go w/ 2 punishing fire in that slot and play up to 2-3 groves.
but they do not answer tombstalker/goyf and those are real threats.

Since you're online wait for the rest of my response.

I love Grove in this deck, it's amazing. It's another Taiga source, which is a plus, and supports recurrable rape-trains. Clique? Fuck that. Confidant? Die in a fire. Grim Lavamancer? Burn. Block your Goyf with my Goyf, then Fires. Profit! Run it as a 3-of.

2 Taiga
1 Bayou
2 Badlands
1 Forest
2 Mountain
3 Wasteland
3 Forgotten Cave
3 Tranquil thicket
1 Volrath's Stronghold
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Bloodstained Mire
+3 Grove of the Burnwillows

Now you're at 27 Lands, which is think is fine. Your manabase is now very solid as well, more basics are good.

4 Mox Diamond
4 Life from the Loam
3 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Devastating Dreams
3 Seismic Assault
2 Sylvan Library
2 Go for the Throat

-1 Pulse
-1 Dreams (with blue decks, you honestly can't afford to get there all the time with this).
-2 Go for the Throat (Tombstalker is a card, but you have Assault, which is also a card).

+2 Punishing Fires
+2 Smother (Phyrexian Revoker, Factory, and Dreadnought are also cards)

I don't know what kind of meta you're in, but I'd suggest something like:

3 Perish (honestly, Progenitus sucks balls. I hate that asshole so much).
2 Thrun (fuck decks with Removal. Team America, Stoneblade, Zoo, Rock, screws Submerge etc.)
2 Krosan Grip (Batterskull, Crucible, Shackles, etc.)
1 Ancient Grudge (more value)
1 Dreams (for your Zoo matchup)
+6 slots (this can be Crucibles, Entombs, Needles, Deeds, etc.)



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On a side note, with Clique being very popular in the format, just a few things:

1) If you have Loam, and only one Loam, don't Dredge it during your draw phase if possible if they have mana open for Clique. They'll just take it end of draw. If you can, Dredge during your main using a Cycling land, then cast it immediately. It leaves no time for them to Clique you.

2) Same with Fires. Don't keep that card in your hand at the end of a turn. Ditch it/use it when possible, or save it for when they Clique you, and just blast the dude when they play it. Sure, they'll get a Cliquing, but not a 3/1.

3) Bring in Grips if you suspect Crypt/Relic. It seems so simple, but so many people just don't bother. Many people get super greedy with Crypt, so if you can have them not activate right away, which most people won't, Grip them, or use Grudge to force them to Crypt away what you have.

4) You can respond to Extirpate using Grove's ability, since it is a mana ability, iirc. Also, it'll trigger an ability, which still go on the stack. Triggers still trigger with split second.

-Matt

You have to be patient with blue decks and Dreams, but the ubiquitous adoption of Mental Misstep (at the expense of other countermage) has made Devastating Dreams a much, much less risky card to play. Merfolk will have to FOW one of your huge threats and go down to one or zero cards, after that you can play around Daze/Cursecatcher easy, Dreams X=4 and burninate their board.

Dreams pretty bad against slower blue decks with Jace and other strong card draw. I agree with the MTGO lists and run Bloodbraid Elf out of the board in the place of Dreams, since the three damage haste usually kills a freshly played Jace and your cascade spell is usually bonkers since all the spells in the deck (save Mox Diamond) are so powerful.

Fire/Grove is awesome as this deck is one of the few decks in the format-along with the control decks, but most of them haven't wised up to running it yet-where you can reliably make the 5-6 mana to really be able to use the card for board control until you draw some huge green or red monster to kill them with.

sdematt,

maybe the correct number is a 3/3 split of pfires/groves w/o kor in the deck?
maybe 2 pfire/3 grove is enough w/ 2 sylvan libraries. has this at all been tested in a version w/o kor?

i do like mpulse a lot, i think 3 is the right number in my mind.
you're right about dreams, i think i'll try 2. it is clunky if you draw multiples at times.

i can see a case for smother vs gftt and vice versa, but maybe then i can just run terminate and stretch my mana a bit, but at least it is unconditional.
because you're always going to have red and black is needed for all of them anyway.

i guess you can be on awkward turtle mana like mox diamond & forest for your only lands... idk how often that happens.

i was thinking the same thing about terminate and smother

has anyone more expierience with both of them in this deck, why going for smother if terminate is better, and in theory we should be allways able to cast both of em, or am i wrong?

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Originally Posted by AggroSteve

i was thinking the same thing about terminate and smother

has anyone more expierience with both of them in this deck, why going for smother if terminate is better, and in theory we should be allways able to cast both of em, or am i wrong?

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I don't see any reason why Terminate shouldn't be run in place of Smother. The deck already has abundant access to :r: mana. When I played the deck extensively 18 months ago, I was using EE in place of Terminate however. Both work just fine.

Before I ran Burning Wish, I ran both Terminate and Smother and Pulse and Fires and Putrefy. The deck was super strong, but you had no way to access any of your board cards. (you couldn't fetch anything).

The reason why I cut Terminate is because if you're not on Mox Diamond, you'll usually fetch for a basic Forest so you can continue to Loam. Then, with Smother, you only need any source of black to make it active. With Terminate in this case, you'd need 2 other lands. Obviously every gets to live the dream and draw Mox Diamond every game and have perfect mana, but I play against a ton of Crucible lock, 43 Lands, and a bunch of other decks where I don't get to fetch what I want when I want it.

Obviously, if you have 4 2-CMC removal slots, then run 2 and 2. If you only have 2, Smother is easier on your Manabase, but Terminate hits everything (except Iona on black, Blightsteel, and Spinx of the Steel Wind).

-Matt

in that case wouldn't a split between terminate/smother and diabolic edict be viable?, as we allready have lots of ways to get rid of the smaller creatures with assault and fires?

also, sdmatt, i would love if you could show me your sideboard, as you are playing wishes as well, and a small introduction on your boarding plans, as i am still, lets say a noob to aggro loam and do not really know yet how and what i should board in the specific matchups

I'm going to hopefully grind games for the next 10-12 hours, so I'll let you all know how it goes.

I'll also post my boarding plans when I get back, sure.

-Matt

So, I noticed a few things in my playtesting.

a) I really want the second Mountain, even at the cost of the Wasteland. Allows me to run the entire deck off of a Mox, Forest, and 2 Mountains. Then, all the duals just become bonus. This is super key in making sure you maintain your tempo. Getting Wastelanded out or thrown off colour is pretty rough.

b) Countryside Crusher gets bolted if you run him out early. A lot. Crusher's super good, but I'd almost love to have another Terravore in this deck. I understand the grave-hate thing sucks, don't get me wrong. But, a resolved Terravore is game changing. Suddenly, Goyf doesn't matter. Progenitus doesn't matter. Only removal matters. Every time Terravore successfully was cast or recast, I won that game. I can't say the same for Crusher.

c) Putrefy was iffy in the non-Batterskull matchup. It was fine, but I'd almost it rather be a Terminate.

d) This deck could REALLY benefit from Entomb. Don't get me wrong, blanking Misstep is HUGE (all of my opponents today were very frustrated with useless Missteps), but Entomb allows us to grab Loam, Assault (can use Regrowth from the Wishboard to recover), Fires or Grove, a Wasteland, a Cycling land so we can Loam multiple times, Stronghold, or grab Terravore so we can recycle it. Even Worm Harvest main wouldn't be a terrible idea. 43 Lands (the black version) plays 1-2 Entombs, and I'm thinking we could do the same. Sure, Misstep becomes alive, but they won't always have the Misstep, and will allow us to use the Burning Wish board more often for non-Loam applications. Plus, they have the added conundrum: remove Missteps and let Entomb resolve/FoW it, or keep Missteps in for 1 card in the deck? Either way, both options are fine.

If I were moving towards a non-Wish build, I'd definitely sub in 2 Entombs on the spot.

Overall then, I'm thinking

1 Wasteland -> 1 Mountain
1 Crusher -> 1 Terravore (possibly)
1 Putrefy -> 1 Terminate/Entomb

Ideally, I'd love to run Terminate (for 3 pieces of 2-CMC removal) and 2 Entomb, but there's just no space.

@ AggroSteve

For my boarding plans, I usually do something like this:

Stoneblade/Jace decks
Put a Pulse in the board so you can Wish for it. Bring in Thruns, Grips, Crucibles, Grudge. I usually bring out some Countryside Crushers, 1 Pulse, 1 Dark Confidant (since they have infinite Swords), 1 Tarmogoyf, etc. In this matchup, you're usually using Assault to win, and the rest is just a distraction/your push to get there. Sometimes you get there with big dudes, but mostly, you close the game with Assault.

Zoo
Not much to board. Bring in Thruns, take bits and pieces out. Maybe take out a Crusher and a Goyf. Wish for Dreams in this matchup.

Merfolk:
Similar plan. Burn out their guys, seal the deal with big dudes. Fires is really good here.

Team America:
They can't deal with a resolved Assault, so just pump out guys. Bring in Thruns, they can't deal with them. Crucible is also fine.

Combo:
Take a break, grab lunch.

Dredge:
Take out your useless removal, bring in Grips for their possible hate.

Junk:
Bring in Thruns and Crucible, and Grip if they have Equipment. Win by Assault, usually. Bring out a few Crushers, a piece or two of removal, and the Fires if they're running only big guys. If small guys, leave them in.

NO-RUG:
This matchup is usually so good it's a joke. Fires is really good, and Assault ends them. Just nuke all their Nobles, Dryad, and Cliques with Fires, and remove their Goyfs. If they go into Progenitus, Wish for Perish. You can also race with Assault. Bring in Thruns out of the board and Crucible to combat Submerge. RUG has no Wastelands, so you should combat their Extractions with Crucible lock :)

I know it's very vague, but hope it helps!

-Matt

sometimes u get hands w/ seismic assault and no loam, or crusher + assault, just awkwardness.
i guess that's when you hope to topdeck devastating dreams to get rid of useless cards for at least some value?

it seems like the deck just operates very poorly w/o the namesake card.

is running 3 assaults too many? i feel like i draw it way more than i draw mox diamond :{

The deck is obviously worse without Mox Diamond. But, I think you NEED 3 Assaults. I was playing with 2 for a while, and I never drew it, I always Dredged it away. 3 made sure I drew it most of my games. If I don't, I have Regrowth to get it back.

That's also why I want the Entomb: Sometimes, you just want Loam or Fires so bad.

-Matt

Burning Wish is superior to Entomb, being easier on your color requirement, being Misstep-proof, and allowing you to beat Extirpate and Surgical Extraction (but obviously not the rare double Extirpate). It's not even prudent to bring in Entomb in Game 2 when they board out their Missteps, because they'll probably be bringing in graveyard hate.

I found that when I ran three Seismic Assault, I drew them too early and/or too often. It's not a great draw unless you have Loam active. If you're like Matt and never draw them, then go ahead and run 3.

I'm not saying you bring in Entombs, I'm saying you run it in addition to Wishes as a 1-2 of. More Loams makes Assault more attractive, and can help assemble multiple Loams if you haven't draw a Cycling land, Wasteland, Stronghold, Grove, Fires, Terravore, etc. Sure it is Misstepable, which is a bit of a concern, but if they have it, they have it. If they don't, it's good. Then, they're faced with the decision:

How many Entombs does he run? Is it worth keeping in 4 Missteps? If I keep MM in, what do I board out?

It also makes boarding decisions harder, since they now longer have 4 auto-sideout cards.

-Matt

Took another one with my build. Planning to have a report written either tonight or tomorrow (got copious notes, so no risk of forgetting between now and then)

Awesome. Similar/the same list?

Definitely interested to see what you faced. Keep up the good finishes!

-Matt

went 3-1 yesterday (small tournament).

rd1 beat UW control (2 games)
rd2 beat mono white staxx (2 games)
rd3 beat GW maverick (3 games)
rd4 vs merfolk did not ID because i thought it was a bye but lost in 3 games after i drew 3 seismic assaults and 2 mox diamonds runner runner w/ nothing to pitch to them and no way to cast any of the assaults.

pretty sure im cutting 1 assault for a grim lavamancer. i feel like seismic assault is almost always uncastable in this deck unless its like turn 17000 and is just a win more at that point.

3rd (2nd?) Place @ Knight-Ware (55 players)

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3rd (2nd?) Place @ Knight-Ware (55 players)

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Congratulations on the finish. I almost played aggro loam as well, but for some reason decided to go with buried ooze instead. Nice to see that it's still possible to do well with a non-blue deck in combo-infested LA.

Good report, although what's sticking with me the most is how much west coast players love weed.

Why did players get DQ'd, from what you've heard?

Colluding how?

-Matt

Hey guys


I'm looking for a very aggressive build with a midgame plan as well and some sort of combination between Zoo and Loam seemed like the thing. I cooked up this list and it feels good but not great yet and I would really appreciate some feedback.


Artifacts
4x Mox Diamond

Creatures
4x Steppe Lynx
4x Wild Nacatl
4x Dark Confidant
4x Tarmogoyf

Enchantments
3x Seismic Assault
2x Sylvan Library

Land (23)
1x Forest
2x Arid Mesa
1x Badlands
1x Bayou
4x Bloodstained Mire
4x Forgotten Cave
2x Plateau
2x Taiga
2x Wasteland
4x Wooded Foothills

Spells
2x Dismember
4x Lightning Bolt
3x Chain Lightning
3x Life from the Loam

cheers

If you're only running 23 lands, don't bother running Mox Diamond. It will only lead to awful hands and terrible self-loathing.

Also, I feel like going for a plan of straight aggression might be better with a straight Naya build. Four colors is a huge pain in the ass, even with loam, and KotR is the nuts. Plus, with Confidant out of your build, you can really go all-in an an aggression plan by running Fireblast, which is one of the best red cards ever printed, IMO.


DERP!! How could I forget: run Lavamancer. Dude is way, way good.

@SDEMatt: I'm guessing it was a prize split in exchange for concession.

Went to local Legacy, and just drew like crap. Didn't get there.

But, Darkblast is good, and so is Entomb. Entomb is super greasy. Mental Misstep usually gets pitched to Force or Brainstormed back, and getting Fires/Loam/Darkblast is greasy.

-Matt

Hey guys,

Haven't really brought this deck to a tournament yet but am hoping to do so soon. Please let me know if you have any suggestions or changes in mind.

Creatures (17)
4 tarmogoyf
3 Countryside Crusher
2 Vampire Hexmage
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Dark Confidant

Removal (8)
3 Swords to Plowshares
2 Go for the Throat
1 Maelstrom Pulse
2 Devastating Dreams

Other (10)
1 Worm Harvest
1 Sylvan Library
4 Life from the Loam
4 Mox Diamond

Lands (25)
1 Dark Depths
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
2 Wasteland
2 Tranquil Thicket
3 Forgotten Cave
1 Forest
3 Wooded Foothills
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Marsh Flats
1 Windswept Heath
1 Badlands
1 Savannah
2 Bayou
2 Taiga
1 Plateau

Sideboard
3 Perish
4 Leyline of the Void
4 Red Elemental Blast
4 Thoughtseize

Changes I've thought of:
Vindicate: More versatile where it can be devastating in the land destruction gameplan with Loam + Wasteland + Vindicate
Volrath's Stronghold: Bring back creatures and more importantly, recur Hexmage for Dark Depths
More Wastelands: Only 2? Maybe I should up it to 4?
Too Many Creatures: Is it? Should I swap out some for removal? or draw (top?)

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Originally Posted by Antonius

If you're only running 23 lands, don't bother running Mox Diamond. It will only lead to awful hands and terrible self-loathing.

Also, I feel like going for a plan of straight aggression might be better with a straight Naya build. Four colors is a huge pain in the ass, even with loam, and KotR is the nuts. Plus, with Confidant out of your build, you can really go all-in an an aggression plan by running Fireblast, which is one of the best red cards ever printed, IMO..

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Yeah, I'm a big fan of Fireblast. The manabase is dodgy, agreed, in playtesting it worked out but against decks running Hymn it's a nightmare. I can also see loosing big time to Pernicious Deed.

My primary decks right now are NO RUG (which I want a break from to be honest) and Team America which very much fits my play style. The Junk/Dark Depths build a few pages back appeals to. I think I'll try to optimize that instead of this fooling around with one drops. Chalice on one sounds nuts and is really somthing that appeals to me main deck. It creates so many dead cards.