Did a quick search and you could accomplish that effect with Mizzium Transreliquat. Useless, but neat.
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Did a quick search and you could accomplish that effect with Mizzium Transreliquat. Useless, but neat.
Sort of saying the same thing. Except Simian Spirit Guide isn't getting cut - it definitely stays in the deck. Equipment is optional, but my argument is SSG without equipment is rather terrible. If you run a few equipment, now SSG becomes a decent finisher - 3 turns instead of around 10. Those extra 6-7 turns means your opponent can draw a new hand's worth of cards to get themselves out of the hole.Quote:
Originally Posted by kirbysdl
Assume you'll never had board control the rest of the game through, no matter what you resolve - like Tarmogoyf, just try to finish them fast. Assume your Chalice / Moon is only going to slow them down, because there's always a way out of it, and just finish them fast. SSG can do that only with equip.
And of course, rando tokens that are left over from Rabbles or Hanweir are also super good when suited up. Equip by itself is a bad TD, but quite frankly, your threat density is high enough that you should find a dude in 2-3 turns, even on an empty board.
Equipment + Bridge mixes badly.
Equipment without Bridge versus creature/midrange decks can help us grind using SSG, Rabblemaster, Sin Prodder, Dragons. My personal favorite thus far has been Jitte due to the lower cmc and versatility, but protection of any Swords of your choice can help against creature removal and when blocking against a crowded board.
What problem is a piece of equipment solving for this deck?
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Bad topdecks in the form of SSG (and Sin Prodder, not that good), removal beyond Fiery Confluence, and the fact that Bridge stinks unless you're on Moggcatcher. And that Bridge has all of 4 Chandra to synergize with - not a great gameplan. (Hazoret is the worst Cursed Scroll I've seen, btw.)Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
You have a chance not to lose to Punishing Fire, TNN, Flickerwisp (ie remove DnT's other dudes), and of course Decay / Krosan Grip. I'd assume an active DRS is also a problem here, when a Moon doesn't stick.
Not running Bridge also makes your mass of creatures swing. You run a lot of creatures. Equipment makes those creatures decent threats.
EDIT: Forgot SFM + Jitte. Forgot Reclamation Sage. Probably forgot another card or two. Burn. IDK what else.
Jitte is great. I think 4-5 equip is fair - I ran 6 for a bit, and I got an opening hand with half my equip, no threats. Some mix of SoFI / Jitte seems the best.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karhumies
EDIT 2: Planeswalkers are the worst, including Jace TMS and Liliana otV.Quote:
Originally Posted by frogger42
Honestly a piece of equipment is as bad a topdeck as ssg sometimes but ssg technically can win a game on its own. Cutting one for equipment lowers the consistency of the deck. A higher consistency in the deck leads to over all better topdeck. Mind bullets.Quote:
Originally Posted by frogger42
However feel free to add one in a flex slot. I do run a good moggcatcher build so even given the chance I don't
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Jitte:Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
-1/-1 counters from a colorless source to kill Mother of Runes, Phyrexian Revoker naming Chandra/Moggcatcher and Sanctum Prelate on 4. Also randomly good at killing elves and getting rid of opposing Bridges vs Dredge by killing our own guys. Also has the options to offset opponent's clock/storm count with life gain and to speed our clock by buffing. The potential of the buffs can also make us dominate the air space versus Delver, Flickerwisp and even Tombstalker.
SoFI:
2 damage from colorless source for the same creature removal reasons listed above + punches through opposing TNN blocker + card advantage for the grind. Also gives buffs and prot red to a weak guy to survive our own Fiery Confluence for 2+.
SoLS:
Protection from the most common removal colors, white and black. Punches through opposing Mother of Runes unless they have a colorless blocker.
Magus of the Moon with any equipment is harder to kill. Sin Prodder or Rabblemaster with any equipment is a beast for eating the opponent's life total.
I've been happy with 0-1 equipment MD + 0-1 equipment SB. Flex slots.
Can u post ur list plz?Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
I don't think y'all (frogger to a degree and karhumies) are getting the point of the question. I know what equipment can do on the battlefield. Karhumies: if dnt is a big problem for you, commit more sideboard slots to the match. I recommend anarchy and sulfur elemental. You're not going wider than Dnt with sin prodder ect in your deck. Therefore equipment seems suboptimal just from a theory stand point.
The thing is, imvho, this deck needs cards that have an independent impact on the battlefield in order to execute the game plan (deal lethal damage to player). Equipment, by design, are dependant (on creatures and the combat zone). That's my logic with the deck and card choices. I'm not the one to debate merrits of equipment, just wanted to play devil's advocate 😁
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Honestly, it depends.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
In a list with 0 bridge, 0 moggcatcher, 4 rabblemaster, 3+ pia nalaar / pia and kiran nalaar which attacks with every single creature every turn, the problem is any opposing blocker with 1+ attack and 2+ toughness. Jitte seems like a nice fit here.
In a list with 3+ dragons, 0 bridge, attacking with 1 large creature every turn to dominate the air space while holding back the other creatures, SoLS to protect the large guy from removal is a nice fit.
SoFI can be a meta call.
In a list with 4 bridge MD, equipments are a poor fit.
In a list with 2-4 Smuggler's Copter, additional equipment is a poor fit.
I agree with all this. I'm going to add to that - I'm really not a fan of 4 drop dragons anywhere, esp when you have access to Rabblemaster. That guy is redonk. Seriously. 3x you beat through a Griselbrand, easy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Karhumies
Rabble makes a super strong argument for Equip. I housed someone with a Gobbo token + SoFI, after Rabble was removed.
I went 4-3 today, no Bridge, Equip stompy. Not bad, but shoulda done better. Zoetic Cavern was super good, did exactly what it needed to do. I ran short a Mountain or two, lost to myself mostly.
I get what you're saying about Equip, and advocate away. But in that case, Stoneforge Mystic is a bad combo. And it's not. Yes, equip are dependent... upon you having 1 of your 20 creatures in the deck. That's fine, it should be active almost every game. And your opponent is going to want to FoW anything that hits the table. DnT does the equip dance super successfully because of their threat density.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
Not a fan of Anarchy in DnT. Absolutely nope. Super super narrow - I must've listed a dozen MUs where equip is flexible and useful. Anarchy is only 1. (Even Sulfur has other uses outside of White, yes.)
You're on the play, blind, with the following hand:
mountain, city of traitors, 2x chalice of the void, blood moon, simian spirit guide, magma jet
Basically the question is which of these lines is the best?
1) cast chalice off of city of traitors
2) cast chalice off of mountain + simian
3) cast blood moon
I think I would go with sequence number 2
I'm trying to think of a way to have Chalice T1, Daze-proof Moon T2, and two land in play after your second turn. Not sure it's possible. Chalice is probably the right first turn play though.
I would go city C@1 turn one then turn two try to land C@2. Blind that play has way more upside.
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On the play, I would go for t1 city, ssg, blood moon. If the moon is not forced, continue with chalice 0. Followed up by t2 mountain, chalice on 1. My thinking here is to turn the opposing t1 fetchland into a mountain. Against BUG, UWB, UBR decks this might win me the game on t1 if they don't have FoW (very tough to cast Abrupt Decay or Council's Judgment on Blood Moon with 0 non-mountain fetches). Chalice 0 on t1 is to prevent Mox Diamond, Chrome Mox, Lotus Petal, LED to fix their mana.Quote:
Originally Posted by rlesko
A weakness of this approach I can think of is that the opponent can cast a T1 Faithless Looting off their mountain. If the opponent is Dredge, this can be bad, if reanimator, they are struggling to get B mana. Belcher and Burn are also undisturbed by the moon, but I am hoping the t2 Chalice 1 is enough to disturb them.
Chances are, the opponent does not have a basic swamp in hand for DRS, basic forest for Noble Hierarch or basic island for cantrips/counters/active daze, making them completely miss their t1 play.
By the way, there is a RU Stompy utilizing As Foretold + Ancestral Vision + Restore Balance package over at the New & Developmental decks -section of the forum:
http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...oretold-Stompy
Can you better explain this?Quote:
Originally Posted by frogger42
This is a dishonest comparison... SfM is good because it finds and cheats equipment into play, not because it can wear equipment. Especially because 80% of the time the equipment it finds doesn't require a body anyway (Batterskull).Quote:
Originally Posted by frogger42