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To back this up, having Sylvan Safekeeper is also a good Teeg protection suite, since the nonly way UW Miracle deck can remove Teeg is with spot removal or Surprise Buttsecks! Snapcaster blocks. (don't let this happen please)Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal
With Terminus / Top starting to see play more, I'm thinking of playing SoLS again since winning the Jitte fight seems important right now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
I do love going back to the days where blue control just loses to Teeg wielding SoLS.
I often think about cutting Thalia because i think she isnt really necessary in my meta (a lot of maverick, uw control and a burn, a BUG) and i think i can add more useful cards.
Thalia is amazing against Burn and BUG. She's OK vs Miracles, and downright awful in the mirror.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckerator
Yeah but BUG and Burn are just about 2-3 decks in a tournament of ~40players.
There is a lot of Maverick and some UW miracle.
Nowadays there are some Elves (dont how to play against them) and one zoo player, he is so fast everytime i play against him. had no chance.
Some enchantress is there too, find it is a hard match up too.
Have you some ideas to play best?
If you're facing a lot of aggro, maindecking more removal (PtE or go to the PFires builds) and cutting Thalia is fine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckerator
Enchantress is a terrible matchup regardless (although I played 1 Aura of Silence, 1 Serenity in an eTutor board to make it not as horrible), so I wouldn't worry too much about it unless it's a significant portion of your meta.
So is maindeck Gaddock Teeg no longer the standard? That's sad. Teeg does work in Maverick: shuts of Ad Nauseum, shuts off Wrath of God, shuts off JtMS, Tezzeret, and Elspeth, shuts off opposing Green Sun's when you need him to, shuts off Engineered Explosives, shuts off dumb artifacts in MUD, shuts off Sneak Attack, shuts off Miracle decks, etc etc.
For real, Teegs been hollaring "fuck the police," every since I sleeved this up. I'm surprised to see him getting cut from the main for Thalia #4.
Times change, plus he locks out your own GSZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by mini1337s
It may be time to bring Teeg back into the main (because of UW Miracles), but vs. RUG he does nothing (he is actually better out of the board to stop Submerge - G1 it is only FOW, which isn't that big of a threat).
ANT isn't that big, plus Thalia does a pretty good job beating ANT.
Teeg doesn't stop Reanimator. Teeg doesn't stop S&T -> Sneak Attack. Teeg does stop Through the Breach, which is why he is probably better out of the board vs. Sneak and Show (when they board S&T out for TtB, we can potentially lock them out with Teeg - their only out is bounce).
If there is any reason to put Teeg back into the main, it is Terminus. Wrath of God doesn't really see too much play anymore. Teeg is some good vs. UW. Who thought we would see the day when we are playing Teeg to stop control and not combo? Teeg used to be my go-to-guy when ANT was big. HAHA
Good points. I definitely agree with RUG and Reanimator, he's a dead card. I find that I have the most difficulty with wrath effects though, whether it be Terminus or WoG, so he's been my crutch for awhile. I'm going to try the 4th Thalia, and see how it plays out for a bit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Water_Wizard
The 4th Thalia is more for stopping the quicker decks - RUG, Reanimator, Sneak and Show, etc.Quote:
Originally Posted by mini1337s
If you are experiencing a lot of UW, it may be proper to run a 3/1 Thalia / Teeg split.
If UW, Goblins, and Merfolk comprise at least 25% of the new meta, I think a 3/1 split is proper because Thalia isn't going to do much against UW (taxing a 1 CC Miracle doesn't mean shit) and against Tribal, Thalia is horrible, so running 3 game 1 means less chance of dead cards sitting in your hand (although Thalia's first strike with Jitte is nice ;) ). Teeg may have some value against Merfolk and Goblins postboard, stopping Submerge and Pyrokenisis, respectively, but Thalias are definitely coming out versus Tribal for some spot removal.
If your meta is packing lots of Enchantress and Affinity/Mud-like artifact decks, you can easily put 3 Serenity in your sideboard without the slow eTutor package. Serenity just wins those matches.
Thalia is very strong against Enchantress by the way. In that matchup it makes more sense to cut 2nd or 3rd Ooze, and the equipment package also doesn;t do that much.
Hi,
I have seen that sulfur elementak is card that is starting to be in a lot of sideobards in 2/3 copies...i think this isn't a card to umderstimate...i was thinking to put 2 copies of Mayor of Avarbuck in sideboard to counter the effects of sulfur...is even an human...so is synergic with Cavern of Souls....this is a consideretaion that i have done in reletaion to the actual general metagame...RUG Delver and RUG Tempo r played a lot, and here in Italt is even starting to be put in some snapcontrol decks.
could this be a competitive SB im this meta?:
3 Phyrexian Revoker (too strong vs S&S name Gris or sneak...strong evem agaimst Ant and Elves)
2 Choke
3Gut Shot (Against Delver and very good in mirror, jnaspected)
1 Gaddock Teeg (1 IS MD)
2 Krosan Grip
3 Surgical Extraction (MVP against Miracle)
1 Mayor of Avarbuck
I was thinking to cut Choke and play one more Mayor and one Path to exile...Choke is not so incisive like it seems...Miracle plays 1 Glacial fortress and 2 basic plains with disemchamt post SB...
What do u think?
You're better off with Honor of the Pure as a way to get around Sulfur Elemental.
ditto.
Additionally, what are you going to do if Mayor of Avabruck flips?
In order for Avabruck to work:
1) He has to be in play before Sulfur Elemental. This means aggressively GSZing or Fauna Shamaning to get him into play. We have better targets to go after like Knight and Ooze.
2) Avabruck has to survive. He's a 1/1, so he's Forked Bolt, Fire//Ice, and Lightning Bolt fodder. Plus he's a green creature, so he's susceptible to Submerge.
3) You have to have a STP/PTE in hand to kill the Sulfur Elemental within a turn or two of it coming into play (or before Avabruck flips, assuming he hasn't flipped already).
Don't cut choke, Choke just plain wins.
I agree with Water_Wizard on Mayor, he doesn't seem to cut it vs Sulfur Elemental, against RUG i think we want ot be GSZing with X=2 for Ooze or Scryb Ranger anyway.
Then again, I can't really say I can think of another answer to Sulfur Elemental, so do we just accept the blowout? Trying to play around it by holding cards in hand doesn't really seem to be a great stratey either...
Yes obv i have take in consideration all the things that you said about Mayor...iknow that is weak because is only a 1/1, but i play 4 mother of runes (not 3 like the GP's list) to protect it and if they bolt/submerge it they used a removal that could not go on something else like an ooze...we have to think that if we want to use a zenith for ooze we have to have 5 mana (3 for GSZ and 2 to stay out of bolt), 2 creatures in graveyard and we play anyway under Daze and PIerce....if we take ooze fast of GSZ we risk to loose it a cause of a Bolt...Canadian has no way to make card advantage, they could only cantrip, so a removal less in hand is not so bad like it seems...so this why i was thinking to put Mayor, and if he flip is not so brutal...he gives us a wolf 2/2 every turn, and the first one is put in play at the same turn as he had flip...Well I'll test it, maybe you r right and is a shit, maybe not :)...
Another intersting creatue is Daybreak Ranger, but to play it we need BOP MD, to optimez it and use his ability in case of flipping.
Anyway this is my actual MD list...i have posted SB but without main list some choose could not be so clear:
2 Forest
1 Plains
4 Windswepth heath
2 Misty rainforest
4 Savannah
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
4 Wasteland
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Cavern of souls
1 Maze of Ith
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Knight ofthe reliquary
4 NOble hierarch
4 Mother of runes
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Fauna Shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Linvala, Keeper of silence
1 Eternal Witness
1 Thrun, the last troll (it seems a shit but against Miracle isvery good, and if we have KArakas on battelfield we could stay out of Terminus, bounce it in hand and cat the turn after...Trust me, he works! :D)
1 Ulvenwald Tracker (I'm testing it, is not bad but at the same time he doesn't exalt me...i use it like the 5th removal that i can tutor with GSZ, in mirror is pretty cool and if he stay alive is good even against that fucking Delver...I'll test it a little more but this could become the fourth Thalia, the second Scryb, the second library or a tech card like Daybreak Ranger, in that case one hierarch will become a BoP)
4 Swords to plowshares
4 Green sun's Zenith
1 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawa's Jitte
SB:
3 Surgical Extraction
3 Gut Shot
2 Choke
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Mayor of Avabruck
3 Phyrexian Revoker
2 Krosan Grip
I need to create the perfect list for Ovinogeddon, the big tournament that we have here in Italy on September (about 400/500 players) so if someone could help me I'll be greatful :).
I think our worst MU now r Miracle control and Elves, and we don't have solutions to a fast Delver, this is why i play Gut Shot in SB...I tested a lot gainst Canadian and Miracle, but i don't have tested against Elves (even if i know how that deck works because i have played it a lot of times, i made even some top8s with elves in tournament with about 100 players) and I have no idea how is the MU against Nic Fit and Reanimate, because here in my town noone play theese decks...could someone enlight me? :)
hi ste,
reanimator is 50/50 matchup depends how u and ur opponent play. the score is put into play ooze before a renimate spell, however karakas help u if u dont do it. elesh norn is a problem if u go all-in, but for this and other there are plowshare that help u.
nic fit is a bad matchup. pernicius is the evil. and black titan break the ball.
post sb. with PW and pithing needle u can adjust the match.
a god card if u running again is mindcensor.
The discussion about Sulfur Elemental is old. From my experience, against RUG Thalia comes out cause it doesn't do that much and in comes PtE and/or Gut Shut. Between StP/PtE/GS the chances for a T1 delver surviving are prettey slim. After that, Tarmos and Gooses can be handled with our big creatures. I don't see the reason keeping Thalias in and taking out ...........(what actually?), for conditional cards. The closest of creatures I came to like was ulvenwald tracker, since its good against mirror and can be GSZed.
Are people that retarded to bring in Gut Shot against Delvers only?
I swear, no body uses that hollow space between their ears anymore.
^ Couldn't have said it better myself. Somebody has to be blunt. Bringing in Gut Shot is far too narrow. It kills exactly one card in the deck, and that's only if it hasn't flipped already. Idk Koby, maybe they've got the sick tech for burning them out at one life?Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby