Yes, that's the whole point. Although you'd only have 4 mana floating after that so you would have nothing to grab. Use the Wish instead and grab EtW unless it's too late for the goblin horde.
Basically Infernal+LED= Demonic Tutor+Black Lotus.
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Yes, that's the whole point. Although you'd only have 4 mana floating after that so you would have nothing to grab. Use the Wish instead and grab EtW unless it's too late for the goblin horde.
Basically Infernal+LED= Demonic Tutor+Black Lotus.
Actually then I grabbed PiF, used the dark rituals in my GY to max my storm count and then cast Tutor from my GY for ToA. I just wanted to make sure that was allowed. I wasn't sure if IT+LED only worked like that if IT was the only card left in my hand or not. Thanks!
So you must have had an untapped land still right? You also maindeck Tendrils instead of EtW?
Just make sure you announce that you are retaining priority with Infernal on the stack, then break the LED and pass priority.
Yeah, I had a mana source - mighta been a LP I forget. I'm trying a build without AN so got a ToA, PiF and EtW mainboard along with BW for the ones in my sideboard.
Oh, and thanks for the advice on priority!
Curious to see how that's working. AN is a much more power engine in TES vs ANT. Your rituals for PiF are weaker since you either need 2 with a LED or 3 rituals total.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teluin
I'm trying out Cabal Ritual over Rite of Flame because I find it works nicely with Dark Ritual, and so far has never caused an issue I couldn't play through. I do plan on trying out Rite of Flame as well though. I'm not even using Chrome Mox (yet?, not sure if I plan to or not).
Honestly, I don't even know if my deck is even close to TES (I'm also using Cabal Therapy over Silence because I found the W mana really screwed me over too many times). I just posted in here for general Storm advice since it seemed like there were some dbags in the ANT thread and TES uses Burning Wish.
You're playing TNT, which is ANT with Burning Wish. TES is a 5 color Storm deck that uses Silence as it's main form of disruption. I don't know if there is a TNT deck thread, but the variant you're running is most definitely not TES. Regardless, I'm glad you've been enjoying it, I play both TES and ANT, I enjoy them both and find them to be equally fun decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Teluin
I'm currently working on a new write-up for a sideboarding guide with three Xantid Swarm and a Tropical Island. It's going to be set-up differently and explain a lot of the thought process. Currently, it does not have the plus/minus format that formerly ran the system. My thoughts are that it's too generic and actually isn't accurate most of the time because sideboarded matches are based on individuals and not a cookie-cutter sideboard format.
New sideboarding guide in opening post along with a new decklist.
I'm still unsure about that land in the SB. The last time i played lands in my board was against Shops in Vintage and taxing-/Tempo-counters are far too common here to adress those with SB-mana.
Found myself less able to go off T1 as well #3rdChromeMox
@Bryant: i like the less axiomatic SB guide now, that we see more and more 3-/4-colored decks in the meta attacking you from several angles. Sadly I expect a lot more questions regarding SB-strategies now in the thread itself. A big thanks to you keeping the primer updated ... I know you're buisy as fuck, still finding time to do that stuff.
Thanks for the deck, thanks for the help Bryant. You are GREAT :cool::cool::cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
C.) Aggressive Creature Decks:
(Applies to: Zoo, Goblins, Burn, etc.)
While we’re on fast paced decks, we have aggressive decks. Unlike the Tempo decks, Empty the Warrens isn’t exactly stellar against them and neither is Silence.
Are you sure about that?? I won many games against this decks with the Warrens. They usually cant do anything against 14 goblins T1 or T2, because they dont sb in mass removal, and the Ad Nauseam plan is not easy if they have a fast clock with creatures and lightnings.
He said it isn't stellar. Sure 12+ goblins on turn one will win, against most all decks it will making it kind of a moot point. I think he means that if you can go for a turn 1 EtW, go for it, otherwise, a Tendrils line will end the game on the Big Turn whereas Goblins have to attack over so many turns.
I'm not sure if siding in the land is absolutely right, which is partcially why I left it up in the air. If someone does or doesn't want to, I can't fault them. However, I am a big advocate of three Chrome Mox. People seem to frown or make comments every single time they draw a Chrome Mox, sure, it's not the best card to draw. But it's a necessary evil in an Ad Nauseam based deck, it's our sole engine main deck. Meaning, it requires being built around to some extent. I will not be going down to two copies of Chrome Mox.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I have no problem updating the opening post, the written content usually takes a little longer. But if anyone has links to articles/videos/reports that haven't been included feel free to message me the link and I'll review it to decide if it's worth adding.
Outside of the first turn, Empty the Warrens will not get the job done. As a matter of fact, these decks are often fast enough to just kill you before Warrens is relevant. Especially Burn. Not to mention that I don't want to reveal Warrens to Ad Nauseam in this match-up.Quote:
Originally Posted by lemariont
Just a small bit of nitpicking for you guys.
I think I've got the ideal fetchland configuration for the deck. It hardly matters, but because we can play different kinds of fetch lands it is something to discuss. My goal is to give the opponent the illusion I play an other deck. So in case I start the game with a couple of fetch lands and/or dual lands I try to have color combinations that represent an other deck. Conveying you're a control deck seems like the best strategy so opponents could figure why you didn't cast any (non-cantrip-)spells yet.
Assuming you play:
- 3 fetch lands
- 2 Underground Sea
- 1 Volcanic Island
I think it is best to play 1 Flooded Strand, 1 Polluted Delta and 1 Misty Rainforest.
This way you'll almost always have a combination of non-rainbow-lands that will represent another deck:
Strand + Sea = Deathblade/Stoneblade
Misty + Sea = Shardless Bug/Deathblade
Delta + Sea = Something UB
Volcanic + Sea = Storm (1)
Strand + Volcanic = Some control deck/Sneak show
Misty + Volcanic = RUG/Sneakshow
Delta + Volcanic = Storm (2)
Strand + Delta = Deathblade/Stoneblade
Strand + Misty = Some control deck
Misty + Delta = Deathblade/Shardless Bug
In other words, I think you should stay away from playing Scalding Tarn because otherwise the grixis color combination would be the most frequent board situation (because you play 2 Seas). When you reveal a grixis color combination and you didn't play spells before it screams storm combo.
Tom
I would vote for off colour fetch whenever possible.
So in the case of TES I play Strand and Rainforest.
In Canadian Thresh FI I have 4x Foothills, 2x Strand, 2x Delta, hoping to represent a different deck.
It's pretty marginal, but these things can help.
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Originally Posted by Tom T
This isn't a new concept, for me personally, it just doesn't matter. Mainly for two reasons: The first being that I'm Bryant Cook, the second being, do you fucking know how expensive Japanese Foil Flooded Strands and Polluted Deltas are?
3 Bloodstained mire obv. Ok not with the Trop...
Not that hard to learn the later and you had some success at the Opens... also acquire A/B duals finally.. until A Seas and 3 Deltas the deck is not finishedQuote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
I don't want A/B. They only come in English.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
My delver opponent got me at an open with this. Last time I played vs him he was on RIP Miracles. He goes Stran Pass. I go Foothills pass. He cracks a delta, gets a trop and plays delver and I cried a little bit inside knowing how I just got gotQuote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Isn't Misty Rainforest the best? It mimicks RUg which is 180° different direction than TES, also you may use those Progenitus alters to further mislead your opponent. :cool: