Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Lemnear
We had the discussion about Bribery today again in my team. I'm known for shenanigans like Bribery or Reanimate in TES sideboards, so I'm free to give you my first hand experience: You don't need Bribery.
If you side out Infernal Tutor you achieve the effect of having a wishable Ad Nauseam for 2 extra mana (but without being required to cast Wish and Infernal in a single turn for mana issues). Bribery is nothing more than a waste of space to Showboat against Reanimator or SneakShow.
Having the 2/1 split between Duress and Therapy in the Maindeck is essentially for the sideboarding against decks with permament hate, so you can shift around the 2 Duress spots (and 4 Silence) for Decays, Chains and 2 more Therapies. That however doesn't mean that i'm a big Fan of preboard Therapy ...
For IGG I want you to remind that the loop almost "requires" double LED and it's a waste to keep an engine which is not only that limited, but also scoops to DRS and RIP. 2 Engines that depend on the grave are too much these days.
For the SB land and Carpet I just wanna mention that you are first required to find a green manasource against manadenial to cast it ... that CAN become a problem while Tropical is a land. The issue is more meta depending and with a lot of tempo in my meta I choose to run a 13. Land myself, rather than trying to adress a common matchup with the SB.
@Lemnear
It is a fact that with Bribery the first game vs Reanimator and S&T is improved --> that was my main goal. --> it is meta dependant but by here there is a lot of S&T decks. For sure having 3 xantid in side will improve these match ups, but for second and 3rd games. and you sometimes do not reach 3rd games.
Related to the land in side, Before including the land in the side, you had 3 decays and 2 xantid, 5 cards requiring green, now we have also 5 cards requiring green, if before it worked I do not understand why it will not work unless you set an aditional land. if there is lot of tempo in your meta, this may be a solution, but then an U.Sea is simply better-
As said IGG is a puzzle piece for me, I've won so many times with this cards in so many sitations where other cards were useless. it is more a matter of remembering which cards are used in which situations and to choose not to take it out.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Pelikanudo
@Lemnear
It is a fact that with Bribery the first game vs Reanimator and S&T is improved --> that was my main goal. --> it is meta dependant but by here there is a lot of S&T decks. For sure having 3 xantid in side will improve these match ups, but for second and 3rd games. and you sometimes do not reach 3rd games.
Related to the land in side, Before including the land in the side, you had 3 decays and 2 xantid, 5 cards requiring green, now we have also 5 cards requiring green, if before it worked I do not understand why it will not work unless you set an aditional land. if there is lot of tempo in your meta, this may be a solution, but then an U.Sea is simply better-
As said IGG is a puzzle piece for me, I've won so many times with this cards in so many sitations where other cards were useless. it is more a matter of remembering which cards are used in which situations and to choose not to take it out.
I'm sure, it's still a strange idea to "improve" that matchups but see the access to 7 mana and Wish as given. Another downer is, that S&T doesn't always mean they run creatures.
The issue about green mana lies within the matchups not the sources. Being ablt to drop Carpet against Tempo isn't given at all.
The IGG topic is not that different to Bribery. Sure there are situations there those cards are better than DR and PIF in the board, but those situations are not only rare but can be played around with a lil brainwork.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Lemnear
I'm sure, it's still a strange idea to "improve" that matchups but see the access to 7 mana and Wish as given. Another downer is, that S&T doesn't always mean they run creatures.
The issue about green mana lies within the matchups not the sources. Being ablt to drop Carpet against Tempo isn't given at all.
The IGG topic is not that different to Bribery. Sure there are situations there those cards are better than DR and PIF in the board, but those situations are not only rare but can be played around with a lil brainwork.
I thought every version of S&T at least ran Emrakul?
Even with that being said, I'm not thinking bribery would be a better include over something else that could be in the board.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
JPoJohnson
I thought every version of S&T at least ran Emrakul?
Even with that being said, I'm not thinking bribery would be a better include over something else that could be in the board.
Some versions of Omnishow don't run Emrakul Maindeck..
I think in this case Telemin Performance is better than Bribery.. but still not sideboardable.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Squirrel
Some versions of Omnishow don't run Emrakul Maindeck..
I think in this case Telemin Performance is better than Bribery.. but still not sideboardable.
Telemin has also application against ANT ... not a real argument though
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Won a GPT today with the updated list. Didn't ever bring the Bees in so I didn't get to test them out. I did miss Ill-Gotten gains once but I ended up just casting returns with 2 floating and getting there.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Jay_Gatz
Won a GPT today with the updated list. Didn't ever bring the Bees in so I didn't get to test them out. I did miss Ill-Gotten gains once but I ended up just casting returns with 2 floating and getting there.
Congrats! What did you play against?
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
It's the norm and part of the reason I don't board in Decays or Chains anymore. The second reason is that they began to cut Gaddock Teeg as well
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
So, how do ppl sideboard given that they have the turn 1 kill on the play with Empty? Bring in Chain of Vapor? Cut Silence?
Also, this deck is stupid good. Probably the best deck in Legacy right now.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
akatsuki
So, how do ppl sideboard given that they have the turn 1 kill on the play with Empty? Bring in Chain of Vapor? Cut Silence?
Also, this deck is stupid good. Probably the best deck in Legacy right now.
I don't get the question, nor have I any idea how a "turn 1 EtW kill" looks like...
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Lemnear
I don't get the question, nor have I any idea how a "turn 1 EtW kill" looks like...
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So, how do ppl sideboard given that they have the turn 1 kill on the play with Empty? Bring in Chain of Vapor? Cut Silence?
Also, this deck is stupid good. Probably the best deck in Legacy right now
Maybe this what he's trying to say: "Why cut silence for chain wherein a turn one X goblins off ETW is enough to finish it?"
@Lemnear, nice picture you have there. ^_^ I hope to see you this coming November there. ^_^
@topic mulligan, I rarely do this, unless my hand contain no land or there's going to be no activity for the 1st two turns.
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Still have no clue why we discuss boarding plans according to given nut-draws :/
@paeng
We have our flights booked and a hotel suite for the whole gang. Trying to convince the guys to suit themselves up for the Mainevent! Would be epic :D
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Lemnear
Still have no clue why we discuss boarding plans according to given nut-draws :/
I just assume that Akatsuki is a new player (with TES).
Try TES Akatsuki and you'll know why it is like that, or read like 10 to 15 pages back.
Or maybe read some TES reports, there are situations in the reports that has the answer/s.
*cheers*
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
I agree, most questions regarding those topics are outlined in Bryant's Articles and other peeps reports.
P.S.: I should not have started to send around signed german FOIL EtW's and Goblin Tokens as gifts ... shit gets expensive
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Lemnear
I agree, most questions regarding those topics are outlined in Bryant's Articles and other peeps reports.
P.S.: I should not have started to send around signed german FOIL EtW's and Goblin Tokens as gifts ... shit gets expensive
Then suddenly I resleeved TES!
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
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Originally Posted by
Kayradis
Then suddenly I resleeved TES!
I told the story ... got snowballed by requests :/
Re: [Deck] T.E.S. - The EPIC Storm
Hahaha. Fair enough!
Now you'll be assaulted by people with some german foils!
