[Primer] Elves!

I'm liking the tech because it also kills Delver. And by also I mean that it's mainly a way to block Golgari Charm etc. Against Toxic Deluge, it will only work a single time anyways :wink:.

The only problem I see is that they just cut 2 lands (Forest & Dryad) in order to include it. That's not exactly how (at least) I roll...
Will be playing it though to find out how it's dynamic affects gameplay. Still thinking that turning towards Planeswalkers looks more promising.

Just make sure to give your opponent your best Tylder Durden impression when you play it.

I'm confused. I can see how it can act as a green Wrath of God, but I don't know if I would want that :/

It is interesting tech, but I agree I don't think I would want to lose a land for it. If its primary goal is to stop those Golgari Charms & the first Toxic Deluge, wouldn't it hurt us when it comes to playing out our elves, having to leave the necessary amount of mana open to protect? Or is it rather just saving only the critical elves?
At the moment I like it more as tech to deal with Delver, SFM and whatever other low toughness guy we can eliminate, but don't know if it fully saves us from Deluge and whatnot...

Anyway, just a question given the statement 2 posts up, what Planeswalkers can be considered for this deck if that is an option?

I'm partial to Garruk Relentless - functions as removal, and is a non-creature clock for the Miracles matchup, which that deck just really hates the guts of. Provides a bit of Deluge proofing too, against the more control-oriented builds. Xenagos might also be a thing.

About Setessan Tactics, if you are reffering to this result from the "Aarhus Legacy Open" on tcdecks, it is just now being discussed as fake by some Legacy folks from the city of Aarhus, Denmark. As far as we know such a tournament never took place, and all the names in the top 8 are fictional. The decklists are probably copied from somewhere else with small changes. Why anyone would create a false tournament top 8 and submit it, to promote Setessan Tactics in Elves, or for whatever obscure reason, we don't know?

My plan is to try Wildspeaker, Primal Hunter, and Relentless. I think they'd all be pretty strong against removal-heavy control decks like Miracles, Shardless BUG, that sort of thing.

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Originally Posted by M+1

About Setessan Tactics, if you are reffering to this result from the "Aarhus Legacy Open" on tcdecks, it is just now being discussed as fake by some Legacy folks from the city of Aarhus, Denmark. As far as we know such a tournament never took place, and all the names in the top 8 are fictional. The decklists are probably copied from somewhere else with small changes. Why anyone would create a false tournament top 8 and submit it, to promote Setessan Tactics in Elves, or for whatever obscure reason, we don't know?

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LOL. I snap bought 2 foil Tactics when people brought it up. Just in case.

It was only a $4 mistake. I've done worse.

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Originally Posted by danyul

LOL. I snap bought 2 foil Tactics when people brought it up. Just in case.

It was only a $4 mistake. I've done worse.

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Just had to laugh at this one...haha. Right now is this confirmed as fake or is it still thought of as fake?

One way or another the list came from somewhere, and to go to the trouble of creating a fake top 8...is pretty odd, especially when the other decks are rather stock.

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LOL. I snap bought 2 foil Tactics when people brought it up. Just in case.

It was only a $4 mistake. I've done worse.

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As Michael Jackson put it: You are not alone, Dan.

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Does anyone thing that Autum's Veil is worth playing main or in board since resolving Natural Order is pretty critical? http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=autumn's+veil

I also used to run a Tendrils of Agony version of Elves in 2011 and did rather successfulhttp://www.mtgdecks.net/decks/view/14028; and have always thought that Banefire would be fun. Anyone think these could be viable in today's meta?

Oh and I am also in the process of foiling out the Elf deck; all I need is fetchlands at this point - Cradles in the mail :)

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Does anyone thing that Autum's Veil is worth playing main or in board since resolving Natural Order is pretty critical? http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=autumn's+veil

I also used to run a Tendrils of Agony version of Elves in 2011 and did rather successfulhttp://www.mtgdecks.net/decks/view/14028; and have always thought that Banefire would be fun. Anyone think these could be viable in today's meta?

Oh and I am also in the process of foiling out the Elf deck; all I need is fetchlands at this point - Cradles in the mail :)

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If NO is critical, run 4 instead of crappy AV's. The whole Grapeshot/Tendrils/Emrakul combo build is a thing of the past because it was fragile and dependant on Glimpse.

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My plan is to try Wildspeaker, Primal Hunter, and Relentless. I think they'd all be pretty strong against removal-heavy control decks like Miracles, Shardless BUG, that sort of thing.

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Even though we are a strong mana-producing deck I have a hard time imagining us using a Planeswalker above 4cc, but thats just me and I could be way off here. Since its on the page though, the suggestion of Relentless has merit, so did Xenagos for that matter. Xenagos has that synergy factor with cradle (not to mention it is a cradle) but its likely a facade. I think I like the haste aspect most about Xenagos...basically it can immediately ping other Planeswalkers or life totals post wipe. Both produce tokens, reasonable +1's, etc, but don't know how viable if at all viable truthfully. Hell Domri Rade is even an "option" but doesn't really do anything for the heavy board control MUs.

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Originally Posted by Elvish Visionary

Does anyone thing that Autum's Veil is worth playing main or in board since resolving Natural Order is pretty critical? http://gatherer.wizards.com/Pages/Card/Details.aspx?name=autumn's+veil

I also used to run a Tendrils of Agony version of Elves in 2011 and did rather successfulhttp://www.mtgdecks.net/decks/view/14028; and have always thought that Banefire would be fun. Anyone think these could be viable in today's meta?

Oh and I am also in the process of foiling out the Elf deck; all I need is fetchlands at this point - Cradles in the mail :)

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Yeah I agree that the time of Storm Elves and Elf ball has past. Autum's Veil is one of those facades too. We also have sideboard cards that can help "clear a path" or "counter" back, that are much more useful in other match ups anyway. NO & Elves has been fighting through counter magic for a while now.

So, I've traded most of the deck with a friend, and I'm now taking it to my first tournament tonight...
So far, my only experience with the deck is goldfishing, but I absolutely love all the little tricks the deck can perform :D

But a quick question: Has Emrakul only fallen out of the deck, since Craterhoof most often kills the turn it comes down and we don't wanna take the chance in that extra turn? :)

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So, I've traded most of the deck with a friend, and I'm now taking it to my first tournament tonight...
So far, my only experience with the deck is goldfishing, but I absolutely love all the little tricks the deck can perform :D

But a quick question: Has Emrakul only fallen out of the deck, since Craterhoof most often kills the turn it comes down and we don't wanna take the chance in that extra turn? :)

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Emrakul is out because it costs :1::5:. It requires a much stronger commitment; we don't do that anymore as Natural Order is much easier to set up.

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Originally Posted by Julian23

Emrakul is out because it costs :1::5:. It requires a much stronger commitment; we don't do that anymore as Natural Order is much easier to set up.

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I see, thanks for the reply Julian :)

Back to the top form again, feels like a rotating door.

We've moved back again. I wonder what triggered that.

Edit--I see I posted this just a few seconds behind. :)

Perhaps an Elves! player in the top 8 of the BoM?

Maindeck (Swan-Blossom-Ruric build)
4x Deathrite Shaman
1x Llanowar Elves

4x Quirion Ranger
4x Wirewood Symbiote
4x Elvish Visionary

1x Birchlore Rangers
3x Heritage Druid
4x Nettle Sentinel

2x Craterhoof Behemoth
1x Ruric Thar, the Unbowed
1x Scavenging Ooze
1x Viridian Shaman

4x Gaea's Cradle
2x Dryad Arbor
2x Bayou
1x Tropical Island
2x Forest

3x Misty Rainforest
1x Windswept Heath
1x Verdant Catacombs
4x Wooded Foothills

4x Glimpse of Nature
4x Green Sun's Zenith
3x Natural Order


Sideboard
3x Abrupt Decay
1x Natural Order
1x Progenitus

2x Bitterblossom
2x Pithing Needle

3x Swan Song
3x Thoughtseize


2 Blossoms vs. Miracles, need to do testing but should be nice. Might prove to be a house vs. RUG, too, and helps with Deluge recovery, but that's pure speculation at this point.