Nimble Mongoose has been around forever, so... no.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedleeds
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Nimble Mongoose has been around forever, so... no.Quote:
Originally Posted by nedleeds
Straw mongoose is straw.
What time is the announcement usually released?
Midnight EST
*Fingers crossed* earth craft comes off and that scg squirrel tokens were the advanced warning.
EDIT: Tried to insert countdown but I suck at computers.
And then I can be done with this stupid thread for another few short months.
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It won't be Earthcraft. They aren't going to give Combo Elves! any possible extra help. I'm thinking only one card will change, and it will be a Modern unban. Which card? *shrug*
nedleeds isn't too far off though when he's suggesting that TNN challenges Legacy 'traditions'. Not only does TNN turn off targeted spot removal like Nimble Mongoose, but it also turns off non-evasive attackers and blocking in general, kinda like Delver of Secrets.Quote:
Originally Posted by Hof
Hopefully it's Wild Nacatl. It's banned but Delver is fine, wtf?Quote:
Originally Posted by Leftconsin
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Bitterblossom is randomly 35 and sold out on SCG. I predict that one
Nice catch dood. If that card seriously comes down the list I'll be back here for conspiracy theories :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Wild Nacatl and Bitterblossom are just speculation candidates, thus the increase in price. MODO prices have a similiar development in the last few days. So no real conspiracy. SCG manipulating the market only shows when Paper prices increases don't have a counterpart in MODO.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
There might be something coming of the Modern Banned list.
As for Legacy, I predict no changes this time (sadly).
Yeah I was just looking up the prices of possible unban candidates and that one popped out. I mean It may just be speculators buying them up, but who knows?
Sorcery speed effects:Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Lava Spike - R - Lightning Bolt opponent's face
Delver - U - Suspend 1. Lightning Bolt opponent's face every turn
It's just way too aggressive a threat for such a cheap cost. Something that aggressive should only exist in Magic's most aggressive color, not in Magic's traditionally slowest stack interaction/card drawing color. It should not be able to singlehandedly outrace Goblin Guide, red's most aggressive 1-drop (Reckless Waif doesn't count because suck). If they had made the card either 2/2 flying in blue or 3/1 first strike trample in red, I think it would be perfectly balanced. But if blue has the best aggro and control and combo enablers, what's the point of lands that do not have type 'Island'?
Delver is a great argument for Black Vise's unbanning. T1 Vise used to be broken but T1 Delver ends up dealing even more damage most of the time. With Abrupt Decay and a faster format than 8 years ago, Vise isn't much harder to kill and is often easier to play around. Vise is only really a faster clock in some kind of combo, but Vise combo is inherently multi-turn-based and thus slower than other 2-card artifact combos (4 Horsemen/Painter's Stone) and not too broken.
IMO Legacy pillars were a lot more balanced when blue decks had to at least pretend to be other colors to achieve these effects:Quote:
1. Brainstorm -- card draw. blue
2. Delver -- undercosted aggressive flyer. black?
3. TNN -- dumb ground guy that turns sideways every turn. green?
4. Show & Tell -- cheat fatty into play. green/black?
2. Tombstalker
3. Tarmogoyf
4. Reanimate
A: Land, Vise
B: 3 damage to the face, land
A: Wasteland opponent/keep Stifle up
B: 3 damage to the face
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Quite a solid, evasive damage output for 1 generic mana while totally raping control and being immune to common removal
TNN is the least important creature in the deck, comparing it to Elves is a really bad comparison.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
Which creature is the most important creature in Patriot?Quote:
Originally Posted by HSCK
sfmQuote:
Originally Posted by arsenal
dont try to argue with that guy... he is in love with tnn and cheap winsQuote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal
Yes, but I wanted to know if HSCK knew.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
True, but Legacy is a fast format and most decks have 1-drops. Plus, cards like Aether Vial and DRS mean opponent may dodge Stifle/Wasteland and still play 2 spells by turn 2.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
A: Land, Vise
B: 3 damage, land, DRS/Vial/1-drop
A: Wasteland/Stifle
B: 2 damage, 1 land dies, drop something else
Sure, those cards can be Forced or Dazed to maintain board control. But simply casting them still reduces hand size and gets you out of Visegrip. otoh, T1 Delver in that same situation will continue to be damage output.
When you factor in that people run FoW and Chrome Mox (Hymning themselves), mulligan, etc., Vise does even less damage. T1 Vise is still amazing. I'm not saying it isn't. I'm just saying Delver with blue protection and the same disruption suite is probably better. I guess you can argue that Delver flipping has variance, more likely to flip by T3 after a cantrip, but at most you can argue it's only a marginally worse turn 1 play and still a much better topdeck.
As for type Artifact, blue decks can still counter it, GB decks can Abrupt Decay it, combo decks can outrace it and aggro decks can just drop creatures under it. Combined with disruption, probably strong against combo and pure control, less good against tempo and aggro.
IMO the best argument to not unban Vise is that Delver decks can abuse it. But in terms of power level I don't think it's any more broken in this format than Delver.
Can they errata Delver to a 2/2?
Black vise is quite unfair card when you can play many of them there are for sure gonna be hands where someone is gonan get double or triple vise turn 1 from sollands / rituals.
I'm more concerned with Vise being Delver 5-8 and/or a colorless super-Lightning Bolt
Its too.easy to go to top deck mode in legacyQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Mystic, Delver, TNN.....Sylvan Basilisk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arsenal
Can't this thread just stop for like 2 1/2 more hours until this shit drops? Broncos are already screwing my birthday up, can't I just get a little bit here? Shit on a shingle.
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Thank you so much! I haven't smiled that big all day!
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Are you sure? I don't remember Bob Huang saying so, and we all know that Bob knows best, right pal?Quote:
Originally Posted by HSCK
F5 f5 f5 f5 f5 f5
You'll be F5ing for another 45 minutes...
I thought it was suppose to be released at 12 est?
Boo.
Yeah. It's 11:20 lol
I half want Brainstorm to be banned just to see what happens.
I'm retarded... my computer was set to the wrong time hahahaha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Modern
Deathrite Shaman is banned. Bitterblossom and Wild Nacatl are unbanned.
Standard, Legacy, Vintage
No changes
BAM!
Wow, they actually banned Deathrite in Modern, didn't expect that to actually happen. No changes Legacy, as per the usual.
Well, I only lost a Temple of Deceit in my bet that TNN would be banned. There's always next announcement.
Holy shit, bring out those tinfoil hats!