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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
So... I'm tinkering with a list at the moment... It's a bit of a mix between regular Rhino Fit and an Abzan Pod Fit list.
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Reclamation Sage
1 Eternal Witness
1 Orzhov Pontiff
1 Tireless Tracker
1 Bone Shredder
3 Siege Rhino
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Grave Titan
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Path to Exile
3 Pernicious Deed
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
3 Birthing Pod
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
2 Marsh Flats
1 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
2 Phyrexian Tower
It basically just takes the regular gameplan of disrupt and destroy and augments it with the Birthing Pod vicegrip if it goes long. In lieu of Abrupt Decay I went with both QPM and Reclamation Sage to solve certain problem cards. In some cases you'd rather loop QPM w/ Meren, in others you'll want to Pod Reclamation Sage into Meren (or Siege Rhino etc.). I plan to test it in a week or 2.
I tried to cram an Eldrazi Displacer in there for some insane value grinding but I don't know if it's worth the effort. I'd probably take out another Siege Rhino and the Tireless Tracker to fit in a Wastes and the Displacer. This'd allow you to blink a creature every turn when using Meren wouldn't be an option (b/c opposing DRS and opponents with at least half a brain).
It's thinkable one'd want to fit a SFM + some equipment into the deck but I just wouldn't know what to cut.
The build probably does fine vs. a lot of fair decks but doesn't help much vs. Miracles. Don't know if it's an improvement over regular Rhino Fit (or Walk the Rhino Fit).
Another list that might do some work vs. Miracles:
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Veteran Explorer
3 Deathrite Shaman
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Tireless Tracker
4 Siege Rhino
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Path to Exile
3 Pernicious Deed
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
2 Diabolic Intent
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
4 Windswept Heath
4 Verdant Catacombs
2 Marsh Flats
1 Bayou
1 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
2 Swamp
2 Plains
2 Phyrexian Tower
My regular build -2 Painful Truths, -1 Meren of Clan Nel toth, +3 assorted combat walkers (rather than multiple Tireless Trackers).
If you happen to run into both baby Sorin and Big Sorin, just ultimate baby Sorin to death, drop Big Sorin and start the slaughter.
I might want to fit in a Big Elspeth (Sun's Champ), but I don't want to cut a Siege Rhino (or anything else).
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Echelon
I like it. I think that -1 Rhino +1 Tracker could be correct.
Turn 1 DRS into T2 Explorer + Intent, searching for a good walker T3 is definitely strong.
Between Cabal Therapy and Phyrexian Tower I believe that sometimes Intent wont find a creature to sac. Ofc with your token-walkers that wont be a problem, but the way to the walkers leads over Intent often I guess.
Did you test the list? Did you have said issue?
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Originally Posted by
emuhell
I like it. I think that -1 Rhino +1 Tracker could be correct.
Turn 1 DRS into T2 Explorer + Intent, searching for a good walker T3 is definitely strong.
Between Cabal Therapy and Phyrexian Tower I believe that sometimes Intent wont find a creature to sac. Ofc with your token-walkers that wont be a problem, but the way to the walkers leads over Intent often I guess.
Did you test the list? Did you have said issue?
I've yet to test the list. Hopefully I'll get to that in a week or two too. I'll make sure to test your suggestion too, I'm very fond of Tracker (and turning Siege Rhino into a 3 mana GSZ'able creature is less of a problem than turning it into a non-GSZ'able 6 mana card).
By the way, don't forget there're 8 fetchlands you can also turn into a creature (Dryad Arbor) for Diabolic Intent as well. The list plays a virtual 26 creatures, Walker-related stuff excluded :wink:.
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Has anyone had experience with Garruk, Apex Predator? I've been considering one in the SB for the Miracles MU.
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Some of the new spoilers have potential. Emerge just screams sac outlet for us which could bring back Meren builds so maybe there's something good there.
The new white card, Blessed Alliance could be playable. Instant speed edict, some degree of selection, and additional modes if you need a mana sink.
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Thought you guys might be interested: Dayv Doberne is playing NicFit Pod in Season#1 of the Legacy Mediocre League.
You can find his decklist over at the website. This is his Week#3 match vs Elves:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bOxXjxkd0yk
All other VODs of the League are on our YouTube.
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Brael
Some of the new spoilers have potential. Emerge just screams sac outlet for us which could bring back Meren builds so maybe there's something good there.
The new white card, Blessed Alliance could be playable. Instant speed edict, some degree of selection, and additional modes if you need a mana sink.
If we get any good, big Emergers in the right colour I'm revisiting Fierce Empath and (or, since just Fierce Empath also is Emerge cost minus 3) Tasigur/Gurmag Angler! I so hope this is going to happen.
I did see Thalia's Lancers. Screams value & Birthing Pod.
@Julian: That list explains so much. Very hardcore to not run Abrupt Decay/Path to Exile/Pernicious Deed, OMG. Not even I had the guts to think of something that crazy.
@Dayv, if you happen to read this: Why Minister of Pain over Orzhov Pontiff?
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Talking about spoilers, would it be crazy to get mildly hyped for a new decent Sigarda? That Voltron angeldrazi references her in the flavour text if I'm not mistaken.
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Julian23
Haven't watched the matches, but that deck is hilarious. I might actually have to sleeve this up. Needs more Tireless Tracker though.
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Land (23)
1x Canopy Vista
1x Dryad Arbor
4x Forest
1x Godless Shrine
2x Overgrown Tomb
1x Phyrexian Tower
2x Plains
3x Swamp
4x Windswept Heath
4x Wooded Foothills
Instant (5)
2x Abrupt Decay
3x Swords to Plowshares
Creature (15)
1x Courser of Kruphix
1x Deathrite Shaman
1x Eternal Witness
1x Scavenging Ooze
4x Siege Rhino
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
1x Thragtusk
1x Tireless Tracker
4x Veteran Explorer
Sorcery (11)
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Painful Truths
Enchantment (3)
3x Pernicious Deed
Artifact (3)
3x Sensei's Divining Top
Sideboard (15)
2x Carpet of Flowers
1x Choke
3x Duress
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Extirpate
2x Garruk Relentless Flip
1x Krosan Grip
1x Ratchet Bomb
1x Toxic Deluge
Here's my list. I'm wondering if I should add a six drop to my list. I find myself having tons of extra mana out with nothing to use it on. What are some great six drops outside of Grave Titan? What's the most fun to cast?
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Originally Posted by
cavalrywolfpack
Land (23)
1x Canopy Vista
1x Dryad Arbor
4x Forest
1x Godless Shrine
2x Overgrown Tomb
1x Phyrexian Tower
2x Plains
3x Swamp
4x Windswept Heath
4x Wooded Foothills
Instant (5)
2x Abrupt Decay
3x Swords to Plowshares
Creature (15)
1x Courser of Kruphix
1x Deathrite Shaman
1x Eternal Witness
1x Scavenging Ooze
4x Siege Rhino
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
1x Thragtusk
1x Tireless Tracker
4x Veteran Explorer
Sorcery (11)
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Painful Truths
Enchantment (3)
3x Pernicious Deed
Artifact (3)
3x Sensei's Divining Top
Sideboard (15)
2x Carpet of Flowers
1x Choke
3x Duress
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Extirpate
2x Garruk Relentless Flip
1x Krosan Grip
1x Ratchet Bomb
1x Toxic Deluge
Here's my list. I'm wondering if I should add a six drop to my list. I find myself having tons of extra mana out with nothing to use it on. What are some great six drops outside of Grave Titan? What's the most fun to cast?
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Dragonlord Dromoka has been suggested as good 6cmc in the past.
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Originally Posted by
cavalrywolfpack
Land (23)
1x Canopy Vista
1x Dryad Arbor
4x Forest
1x Godless Shrine
2x Overgrown Tomb
1x Phyrexian Tower
2x Plains
3x Swamp
4x Windswept Heath
4x Wooded Foothills
Instant (5)
2x Abrupt Decay
3x Swords to Plowshares
Creature (15)
1x Courser of Kruphix
1x Deathrite Shaman
1x Eternal Witness
1x Scavenging Ooze
4x Siege Rhino
1x Sigarda, Host of Herons
1x Thragtusk
1x Tireless Tracker
4x Veteran Explorer
Sorcery (11)
4x Cabal Therapy
4x Green Sun's Zenith
1x Maelstrom Pulse
2x Painful Truths
Enchantment (3)
3x Pernicious Deed
Artifact (3)
3x Sensei's Divining Top
Sideboard (15)
2x Carpet of Flowers
1x Choke
3x Duress
1x Elspeth, Knight-Errant
1x Ethersworn Canonist
2x Extirpate
2x Garruk Relentless Flip
1x Krosan Grip
1x Ratchet Bomb
1x Toxic Deluge
Here's my list. I'm wondering if I should add a six drop to my list. I find myself having tons of extra mana out with nothing to use it on. What are some great six drops outside of Grave Titan? What's the most fun to cast?
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I would change the manabase a bit, you're going to have to pick what you want, but with your current setup Wooded Foothills can't get you untapped white mana until you have 2 basics down. If you instead run Bloodstained Mire you can get your Godless Shrine for white and Overgrown Tomb for black. The downside being that Dryad Arbor gets worse and you'll have fewer pain free sources of T1 green.
If you want to spend mana, Tracker is great at doing so.
I would also cut 1 land, 22 works pretty well and go up to 61 because having an extra tutor target makes green sun's MUCH better.
I would go for Surgical Extraction over Extirpate as well.
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I'm going to devote some time today to testing sideboard options for Eldrazi to see what I like in :w::b::g:Fit.
I prefer GSZ-able targets for consistency's sake, but I do play two Diabolic Intents and two Sensei's Divining Tops as well if there's something great that's not a green creature.
So far I've just got Dragonlord Dromoka and Spike Weaver to test. I'm anticipating Dromoka being slow, and definitely anticipating Weaker getting Dismembered, Warping Wailed after two Fogs, or just buying me three turns without me finding an Eternal Witness to recur it.
I haven't seen or thought of anything so far that blows me away, so everyone tell me what you've been doing so I can add it to the list.
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cavalrywolfpack
I'm wondering if I should add a six drop to my list. I find myself having tons of extra mana out with nothing to use it on. What are some great six drops outside of Grave Titan? What's the most fun to cast?
Woodland Bellower!
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
Echelon
If we get any good, big Emergers in the right colour I'm revisiting Fierce Empath and (or, since just Fierce Empath also is Emerge cost minus 3) Tasigur/Gurmag Angler! I so hope this is going to happen.
I'm hoping for something good too. Hooting Mandrills is another consideration as a Delve creature, we have options at 5, 6, and 7 on the curve.
That said, I'm prepared to be disappointed as well. I'm hoping for something small though where we can sacrifice Veteran Explorer to the Emerge, but in hindsight that wouldn't work for the trigger to also pay costs unless there's some rules trickery I'm not aware of. DRS is good for 2 points on Emerge though.
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rubblekill
Talking about spoilers, would it be crazy to get mildly hyped for a new decent Sigarda? That Voltron angeldrazi references her in the flavour text if I'm not mistaken.
It would be nice but Sigarda was just in SoI and she wasn't very good. If you're looking for a silver lining though, Sigarda being the last remaining angel is in a pretty good spot to be one of the flagship cards of a third Innistrad block if we ever get one.
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Originally Posted by
Brael
I would change the manabase a bit, you're going to have to pick what you want, but with your current setup Wooded Foothills can't get you untapped white mana until you have 2 basics down. If you instead run Bloodstained Mire you can get your Godless Shrine for white and Overgrown Tomb for black. The downside being that Dryad Arbor gets worse and you'll have fewer pain free sources of T1 green.
If you want to spend mana, Tracker is great at doing so.
I would also cut 1 land, 22 works pretty well and go up to 61 because having an extra tutor target makes green sun's MUCH better.
I would go for Surgical Extraction over Extirpate as well.
The Vista is my choice over Temple Garden. I rarely need green and white early in the game. At least, that's what my limited testing has revealed. For going to 61, should I just add a six drop? Do most Nic Fit lists do this? As for Woodland Bellower, it actually seems sweet. Maybe I'll try it!
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cavalrywolfpack
The Vista is my choice over Temple Garden. I rarely need green and white early in the game. At least, that's what my limited testing has revealed. For going to 61, should I just add a six drop? Do most Nic Fit lists do this? As for Woodland Bellower, it actually seems sweet. Maybe I'll try it!
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Early white, and for that matter black are important for combo. Without early white you can't path a T2 Griselbrand or stop a Marit Lage, and against a deck like Elves you're reliant on only your 2 of Abrupt Decay without white. Vista is fine as a budget card, you just have to make the appropriate adjustments with the mana choosing between 10 vs 14 T1 green or doubling your access to early white.
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Should I switch to Temple Garden or Bloodstained Mire?
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It's up to you, I think there's a reasonable case for either. Bloodstained Mire allows you to save some life which matters against decks like Burn and Delver and makes you stronger against combo but it also means fewer green sources which leads to more mulligans.
I think the correct answer comes down to a meta call for you. Which is more common where you're playing? Aggressive decks or combo decks that kill with a big creature?
Edit: Actually, the more I think about it, the more I think you can just concede those matches. Your removal always has to get past counterspells anyways and matchups like Reanimator and Lands are already bad. It's probably better to just take the green fetches and make your good/even matchups better. So I take back what I said, Wooded Foothills is fine.
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I'm very intrigued by the enchantment-based build. Is there any advantage to choose that build over a more traditional style build? Does it have certain better matchups (and also worse ones)?
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TLK
I'm very intrigued by the enchantment-based build. Is there any advantage to choose that build over a more traditional style build? Does it have certain better matchups (and also worse ones)?
I think the best thing going for it is that it has certain enchantments that can really take over the game and shut down a lot of decks. Lot of stuff folds to either Humility, Curse of Death's Hold, Doomwake Giant, or simple Pernicious Deed recursion thanks to Starfield. There are not many legacy cards that remove high cmc enchantments. I like the idea of shutting down Sneak/Show just with Humility, instead of relying utterly on hand disruption and surgical extraction effects. The deck can pretty quickly either get lands into play to hardcast them, or tutor them up with Rector. So far my real issues with the deck is just getting familiar with it, seems like a very different twist, and it has by nature some odd interactions.
One downside is that it is a very grindy version, moreso than other variants. I don't think you'll be able to be aggressive enough to stop 12Post before they setup shop, and Burn can be problematic (although I think Burn is tough if you don't either have SFM with Batterskull/Jitte, or 4 Rhinos to come down asap). But dang is this deck the king of grind. SFM or Rhino versions can probably race to lethal much faster against a stumbling opponent.
Probably weaker to graveyard hate, but that is small.
I'm unsure yet on the Miracles matchup, but Ulysses is having a good time, I think, with it. It seems pretty good on paper.
Access to GSZ, Rector, and Sterling Grove mean that you can pretty reliably find what you need, and Eidolon of Blossoms provides some mid/late game drawing power (I'd say similar to Tracker, perhaps stronger, but Tracker can work "alone" if you will).
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It may not be my place to suggest new cards, but Sanctifier of Souls actually seems good in our deck. We can get more value out if our dead creatures then Scooze does.
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cavalrywolfpack
It may not be my place to suggest new cards, but Sanctifier of Souls actually seems good in our deck. We can get more value out if our dead creatures then Scooze does.
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I think that the biggest thing that we are on the lookout for is a GSZ'able creature that has some sort of removal attached to an ETB trigger. Basically a green Shriekmaw. This would go a long way in increasing our toolbox. Especially if it can kill annoying stuff like Emrakul or Griselbrand as well as ground beaters..like an enhanced and cheaper Stingerfling Spider. I really doubt we'll see anything like that, but hey, they are trying to increase the power of creatures...so who knows.
For those curious:
Sanctifier of Souls 3W
Creature - Human Cleric [Rare]
Whenever another creature enters the battlefield under your control, Sanctifier of Souls gets +1/+1 until end of turn.
2W, Exile a creature card from your graveyard: Put a 1/1 white Spirit creature token with flying onto the battlefield.
2/3
I don't like this guy, 3W for a 2/3 seems very very poor, and 2W is a steep price to pay to only exile creatures from your own grave and make tokens. He also ins't GSZ'able. There are better token producers by far, I also don't think we can really make use of his temporary pump, unless you are specifically playing with big Elspeth and other enablers. And he doesn't have evasion to help carry that through at all.
Compare it to Scooze. You can GSZ Scooze into play for 3 mana, and still have a mana left over to activate to eat -anything- from -any- graveyard, for the same cost to simply play this 2/3. Eating a creature immediately grows Scooze to 3/3 which is bigger than the 3W guy. Scooze is cheaper to activate next turn and remove a ton of annoying stuff from the opponent's grave.
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I thought he was 3 mana. Yeah the 4 mana is really bad and I didn't realize GSZ was only green creatures.
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If it wasn't, we'd play so much crazy shit. And every single deck in the world with access to green mana would run GSZ.
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The closest thing to a green Shriekmaw is Acidic Slime, but it doesn't hit creatures. And at that point we could just run Reclamation Sage maindeck.
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Sanctifier of Souls isn't really worth playing, 4 mana for that body and 3 mana for that effect just isn't good enough, especially since anything that can't be tutored has a higher threshold to see play while we already have Scavenging Ooze.
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Originally Posted by
square_two
I think that the biggest thing that we are on the lookout for is a GSZ'able creature that has some sort of removal attached to an ETB trigger. Basically a green Shriekmaw. This would go a long way in increasing our toolbox. Especially if it can kill annoying stuff like Emrakul or Griselbrand as well as ground beaters..like an enhanced and cheaper Stingerfling Spider. I really doubt we'll see anything like that, but hey, they are trying to increase the power of creatures...so who knows.
When Shattergang Brothers was spoiled a few years ago, I half-expected to see it in the list of some optimistic Jund Nic Fit player.
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Originally Posted by
square_two
I think that the biggest thing that we are on the lookout for is a GSZ'able creature that has some sort of removal attached to an ETB trigger. Basically a green Shriekmaw. This would go a long way in increasing our toolbox. Especially if it can kill annoying stuff like Emrakul or Griselbrand as well as ground beaters..like an enhanced and cheaper Stingerfling Spider. I really doubt we'll see anything like that, but hey, they are trying to increase the power of creatures...so who knows.
The thing I'm looking for is pretty specific. A green 2 drop creature source of card advantage. STE is the best we've got, which is advantage paired with Tracker, or SFM/Bob if you go out of green.
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Brael
The thing I'm looking for is pretty specific. A green 2 drop creature source of card advantage. STE is the best we've got, which is advantage paired with Tracker, or SFM/Bob if you go out of green.
Rule of thumb is that CA creatures normally cost 3 mana and upwards. Stuff like Elvish Visionary are the exception, not the rule. I wouldn't hold my breath.
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Barook
Rule of thumb is that CA creatures normally cost 3 mana and upwards. Stuff like Elvish Visionary are the exception, not the rule. I wouldn't hold my breath.
For a full card yes, but I'm not looking for something that's necessarily a full cards worth of value. Half a card which can be manipulated into more through SDT would be more than sufficient.
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In other news, I think I'm done with the PW builds, not going to condemn SFM yet although I haven't been liking it. The PW's just aren't pulling their weight though, I think I'm going to leave some Sorin LoI's in the board for Miracles but that's all. I did manage to win a 7 game set against Reanimator earlier going 4-3 with a SFM/PW build but it was more due to bad draws on their part, and I did take 2nd at a small event this past Saturday with the build but it's just not there. GSZ just feels too weak when it's watered down that much, and I didn't feel like I had access to the answers I needed.
I think I've given the build something like 13 or 14 rounds across 4 events at this point plus some side games and I just don't like how it performs.
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Brael
The thing I'm looking for is pretty specific. A green 2 drop creature source of card advantage. STE is the best we've got, which is advantage paired with Tracker, or SFM/Bob if you go out of green.
Elvish Visionary wouldn't be bad in a Pod chain.
Pod Veteran Explorer -> get Visionary, draw a card.
Pod Visionary, get Eternal Witness, reclaim Visionary.
Replay Visionary, draw a card, pod Witness into Meren, reclaim Witness with Meren.
Pod Meren into Sigarda, cast Witness, reclaim Meren. Cast Meren, reclaim Veteran Explorer, start another chain.
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That would work pretty well, I'm looking for something non pod though, possibly worth noting is that DRS, Elvish Visionary, and Eternal Witness are all Shaman so there might be something interesting there. But what I'm really looking for is something like SFM or Bob where I can just play it and get some advantage. The closest to that in green right now is STE where I can use it for land early with a block, and late game it feeds well into Ooze and Tracker, and even some marginal utility of resetting Top.
I'm not sure what I want though. The way it has seemed to me so far is that SFM is slightly too much of a mana sink with the way I've been playing. It saves mana if you're getting Batterskull, but assuming the 1/2 body isn't doing anything for you SFM means spending 4 mana to get your Sword/Jitte then 2 more to equip for 6 total where I can cast/equip for 4 or 5. Of course for that 1 extra mana you're bypassing counterspells and getting a tutor so it's not like it's without value but I think I have the library manipulation to draw into what I want. Over the past couple weeks my equipment has actually been at it's best when I've just drawn it vs when I've gone out of my way to tutor for it excluding Batterskull of course.
I'll probably play with it some more over the next day and see if I can come up with another configuration I like. Sword of Feast and Famine has felt low impact because I haven't been able to burn all the extra mana with a PW setup. Jitte is very hit or miss and doesn't really feel like it's good in the matches I want it for.
I'm pretty sure I'm going back to a creature package though, it just gives so much more board presence. Or maybe I'm just not seeing what it's actually been doing for me, because my combo matchup has been pretty nice lately. The last few combos I've played against have been Show and Tell, Reanimator, and Elves and I've beaten all 3.
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Queation: so this last weekend I played a small local event going 2-2, wins against 4c loam and drazi, losses to storm and drazi. I was playing a slightly Walker'd version that was essentially rhino fit plus big sorin and flip garruk. What I'm wondering is, what is something that is tutorable that acts as an answer, or even a road block, to eldrazi? I'm going to be moving away from the walkers until the next open because miracles is unheard of in this area (thank nylea for that), but drazi is rampant. I figure having more main deck game against them would be super helpful. I'm probably going to be keeping the flip walkers in the main because they're awesome card advantage whenever I see them, but Elspeth, sorin and ob nixilis have got to be replaced.
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@Vestige: Glissa, the Traitor. Yes, she can be Dismembered, no she does not have abilities past first strike and deathtouch.
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Thragtusk, Gitfrog, Master of the wild hunt and Dromoka.
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Another League, another 4-1.
Lost to burn in 3. Meh
Beat Maverick in 2.
Beat Grixis Pyro in 3. A bolt and a dismember killed my dromoka. :(
Beat Storm in 3.
Beat Grixis Omni in 3. Double Canonist was huge.
Carpet continues to shine.
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@rubble: He still has to be alive by the time he can cast those... And Master of the Wild Hunt takes a long time before it's able to deal with Reality Smasher. And also folds to Dismember. Same goes for Thragtusk, by the way. The 3/3 Thragtusk leaves behind isn't something Eldrazi is really bothered with.
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Originally Posted by
Vestige
What I'm wondering is, what is something that is tutorable that acts as an answer, or even a road block, to eldrazi?
I was testing tutorable sideboard cards for Eldrazi yesterday, and hilariously, the most effective one so far has been Hornet Nest.
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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Originally Posted by
jbone2016
Another League, another 4-1.
Lost to burn in 3. Meh
Beat Maverick in 2.
Beat Grixis Pyro in 3. A bolt and a dismember killed my dromoka. :(
Beat Storm in 3.
Beat Grixis Omni in 3. Double Canonist was huge.
Carpet continues to shine.
After your suggestion, and me moving away from the red splash, I have started to play carpet again and it feels good. It's one of the only cards, if not the only one, that comes in both in the delver and miracles match ups.
I have changed Arian's list a tiny bit:
-frog: good against shardless and eldrazi, mediocre against other decks. 5 mana is a lot since I play Sigarda the 2 types of elspeth, Dromoka and tusk already.
-3 pws but small elspeth instead of Sorin. I feel the +3+3 flying is underrated. Can be activated as a surprise blow out effect as soon as she hits the board.
-master of the wild aunt: I love this guy but he is too slow, and he only is game changing vs eldrazi. And we have plenty of tools for them. 4-5 mana sorcery speed spell that dies eot to bolt (grixis delver is omnipresent), feelsbadman.
-I run 3 obstinate baloths and I do absolutely like them a lot. 1 mb 2 sb. I know this is going to be a controversial choice, but listen me out: as I said we really need more lifegain in this pw oriented list, and while thrag is awesome he is still a 5 mana bombs, I don't want to have a second one. Baloths is good because:
a. shines against all the bug decks with hymn or liliana: cards that are otherwise a very BIG problem for us. Master (the card that baloth replaced) is very good as well here but it is very slow, while baloths (3 in g2-3) creates blowouts scenarios that change the game instantly.
Master is better in g1, but in g2-3 three baloths basically negate liliana of the veil and hymn and creates mind games situations that allow to cast the heavy weights of the deck (often discarded otherwise). We are the unfairest fair deck, but still fair: discard is so good against us.
b. It is better than master against burn (a mu that gave me problems with Arian's list, and never did with rhino time. Dec) and delver. 4 life gain is a lot. Cannot be bolted eot.
C. Against miracles both cards are mediocre, master can be better if he gets to stay alive for a couple turns, but let's face it: they always have terminus plow snapcasters so that's never happening. Always unlucky.
Having 2 baloths in the sb is going to be a controversial choice and I know it, they replace celestial purge and grip, which were low impact almost always. 1 grip is not enough vs miracles, and after that the card is only amazing against batterskull. I am not seeing a lot of bsk online these days, and we have bigger threats anyways.
Those 2 additional baloths replace the 5-6 mana guys in match ups where we board in a lot of stuff and the goal is not to win but to survive: omnitell storm Ecc. Having a 4 mana dude instead of planeswalkers or 5-6 mana guys is good. This is not the main reason to play this configuration of course, it is just a small bonus.
My 2 cents. I have been silently reading your suggestions and developing my own list, and so far I find that the card is good enough to be played outside a 4 rhino deck.
