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I would build UR Delver or RUG Delver with Quirion Dryads in place of Tarmogoyfs. If you're really starting from zero, it might come in at a bit over $1k, but the staples from either will be a huge help in building a lot of other decks if you decide to change.Quote:
Originally Posted by jumping salmon
Spiral Tide.Quote:
Originally Posted by jumping salmon
I'm planning on attending the open in baltimore this January I'd like some advice selecting deck from a short list of options which are
Maverick (any non punishing fire version)
Junk/rock (any configuration)
Nic fit (bg or bgw)
All spells
Elves (only one cradle)
Zombardment
Affinity
I have some tournament experience with elves and maverick the rest would be first timers
Thanks in advance
Tim
Elves is the best if it had 4 cradles. With only one cradle... I think I'd rather play Maverick.
If you have experience with Maverick, then that might be the best choice. If you can get some practice in with Affinity, then that seems like a decent choice as well. I would stay away from All Spells as it is super fragile and people are generally prepared for combo due to OmniTell/Sneak and Show.Quote:
Originally Posted by uncletiggy
I was leaning towards maverick or the rock tuned to beat true name tempo and combo. I guess the real question is what is the meta going to look like and is the prevalence of blue based decks going to supress combo or bolster it.
What are the decks that absolutely s***t on Imperial Painter. This is the only deck I consistently lose to when my Magic Club at my university has legacy tournaments. It's a small meta (only between 8-10 people show up usually) so there's always a chance of me facing it.
sneak attack and belcher
I would also add Death and Taxes to the list. Blood moon usually isn't that great because of several plains in the deck as well as Aether Vial. And Phyrexian Revoker is annoying for Painter to deal with. Mom too.Quote:
Originally Posted by say no to scurvy
Oh a deck that attempts to win with a pile if permanents? DEED
Tinfins, monoblue Omni, epic storm (if a good pilot), elves. any monocolor deck with an emrakul, belcher, burn, ur burnQuote:
Originally Posted by Dragonslayer_90
Yeah... if ya got it, a properly tuned nic fit list can fight Painter lists fairly well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
I'm trying to get back into the swing of things but after a year out of it, I'm kind of unfamiliar with the meta. I played Thresh before I quit and am looking to try something different that would be good in my meta. The meta consists of a little bit of Deathblade, a fair amount of Shardless BUG, some small amounts of Jund and MUD with an occasional random deck or two (goblins, elves, omnitell, D&T, Pox, merfolk).
I'm not really sure what to play, but I know it's got to have decent game against some combo of Shardless, Jund and MUD. I can currently build most things and what I can't build I can usually borrow. I think the only real limitations are that I do not have Show & Tells or a full set of Underground Seas. I've had experience with Thresh, Goblins, Pox, Zoo, and practiced with Pact SI a fair bit (still need Bargains).
What would be some decent choices for that meta?
I want to play something that has Show and Tell in it.
It doesn't need to have red in it. In fact, I'd rather it didn't need red because I lack Volcanic Islands.
Hypergenesis is sweet.Quote:
Originally Posted by DragoFireheart
Eureka show? Eureka in Nicol Bolas, Planeswalker for the lulz
S&T + Reanimator?
Thanks for the suggestions.
How much fun is Omni-Tell?
Turbo eldrazi is also a thing, and can be played without candelabras (although without them and Red it will not be an optimized version).
First of all, I want to say hi. I'm fed up with my Patriot, which I have played for over year. I want to change a deck. I won't play BGx Midrange and Blade decks, since I'm jumping off the wagon. In my meta I have Merfolks, Dragon Stompy, White Weenie / Budget D&T, Goblins and sometimes Affinity and Dredge. I had only problem with fishes, so I would be happy to play a deck that utterly crushes them. I love blue, but I don't really mind the colour. Beside that, I will avoid UB due to manabase price. Thank you for reading and replying.
@ Dragonslayer_90: If you want a throwback, Zoo is really good against Imperial Painter. Fast Zoo rather than Big Zoo.
@ locifer: Storm decks should prey on the lack of counterspells. Run Hurkyl's Recall and/or other bounce spells to shore up the MUD matchup.
@R431: Maybe try out a UW build. Supreme Verdict, Peacekeeper, Propaganda, Umezawa's Jitte, and Llawan, Cephalid Empress are all good cards against Merfolk. Dragon Stompy is largely ineffective against mono-colored or dual-colored decks. White Weenie has less interaction than Death and Taxes, so that should be an easy matchup; just don't get blown out by an Armageddon. Dredge loses to Rest in Peace protected with countermagic. Goblins would have trouble beating Propaganda outside of Krenko + Skirk Prospector, and you could level the field with Supreme Verdict or snipe Krenko with Swords to Plowshares. Most Goblin decks are probably built to fight Jitte, but it's still a devastating card against them if you get it online.
My meta is made by
3 death and taxes
2 Bug nemesis delver
1 UR nemesis delver
1 patriot
1 jund
1 ANT (burning wish)
1 Sneak and Show
1 Monoblack Pox
1 Zoo
1 Rug Delver
1 Reanimator
1 Enchantress
1 Merfolk
What should I play?
Last time I topped8 with patriot and this time i was considering bringing Stalker's Team america.
Thoughts?
Tnx in advance
@janluis1: I would play Jund with some number of Golgari Charms in the main deck.
cheers!Quote:
Originally Posted by ESG
Assuming access to the entire card pool/no budget what is the best deck or archetype for a general meta game? I.e a few combo, tempo, a few esper blade and an infrequent odd miracle deck?Quote:
Originally Posted by janluis1
Is there an enduring list that I can master and keep piloting year after year with tweaking? I guess I'm looking for something with longevity to benefit from experience I gain playing it (with 50-50 matchup to most decks)
ANy Stoneblade style deck basically is what you are looking for.
The addition of the DRS in the deathblade variants - are they more to manipulate graveyards and create a hostile environment for graveyard interaction plans? I guess which is the most middle of the road of the many decks utilizing stoneforge mystic packages?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
I'm not a huge fan of Deathblade because it just takes a shit vs Blood Moon for the most part, but part of legacy is seeing how greedy you can be and getting away with it. I'm more a fan of the tradition UW splash black for like Thoughtseize and Lingering souls flashback, but I think that version is a tad dated.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bucephalus
We really need more decks packing Blood Moons, Magus of the Moon, and some number of Wastelands despite the disynergy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Here's breakdown for our metagame:
2x Nic Fit (Junk)
1x Explorer Pod
1x Elves
1x BUG Delver
1x Agent BUG
2x Esper Deathblade
1x Mono W Stax
1x All Spells
1x Belcher
2x ANT
1x Pox
1x Mono R Sneak Attack
I have played around with variants of following archetypes: Nic Fit (Jund/Scapewish), UWR, Junk Stoneblade/Maverick/Deadguy Ale and UR Burn. All of the decks have had various success. I don't own Tarmogoyfs or Jace 2.0's so that's restricting my options quite bit.
I would appreciate if someone could direct my focus to right direction.
Here is the breakdown of our meta:
1-2 x monored goblins
1-2 x affinity
1 x burn
1 x nic fit
1-2 reanimator
1 x MUD
0-1 x aggro, combo, budget elves
1-2 x bug
The rest are random combo/delver decks with stoneforge.
I'm playing Merfolk... a losing battle it seems.
I only have the pieces for Merfolk. I want to start building towards a new deck. Ideally one that won't cost any more than an additional $1,000. I can borrow mana lands (but not utility lands). Death & Taxes seems good but it is very hard to play.
Hi guys.
What usually goes around my area:
Monoblack control 1-5 (its really popular, but except 2 solid lists, most of them arent competitive).
BR control 1
UB Control 1
UWR Midrange (Snapcaster, Cryptic Command, Vendilion Clique, etc, and a sh*tload of instants, eventually wins with huge card advantage, he won last tournment) 1
UW Control 1
Burn 1
BG Infect 1
So most of them are control, with very few exceptions.
The decks that i personally own, are Affinity, Monoblack control (can be Pox), Burn, Tribal Elves (not combo, could change to it but i dont rly like elves). I have quite a few blue and white cards.
What should i play? Should i get another list going? If yes, what archetype would you recommend?
@ Drizzy: I like RUG Delver's chances against that field. Go burn-heavy in the Deathblade matchup if mana denial isn't enough. Sideboard Compost and Life From the Loam against Pox. Pox also should outright lose to a Sulfuric Vortex, but it's possible you won't reach three mana if you're on the draw.
@ Windmill: Sweepers look strong in that field, but as Merfolk, you don't have access to those. You have a lot of unfavorable matchups. If you're stuck with Merfolk for a while, you might try splashing black to play Engineered Plague. Stifle would be good vs. Nic Fit. Null Rod would be strong vs. Affinity and MUD. You probably just have to race Batterskull in the Stoneforge decks. I would try out either Tower of the Magistrate or Back to Basics. For small tournaments, if you're limited by budget constraints, I advocate sticking with a deck and heavily altering it if needed rather than scrapping it and buying into something else. If you're interested in Death & Taxes, proxy up the deck and playtest matches. This will teach you the deck and you'll also be able to see if it's a good fit for you before you start picking up cards for it.
@ Tiago_B.: Elephant Grass seems like it would be a wrecking against many of those decks. I don't know what Mono-Black Control encompasses, so I'm thinking there's a wide variety in your area. I like Enchantress in that field, but if you don't have the cards for that deck, then maybe Elves with enchantments would be good. There are some powerful green hosers that would be ridiculous in that field. See if you could work any of these into your Elf deck: Elephant Grass, Choke, Compost, Lifeforce (I've been wanting to use this one forever). I also like Dredge decks against that field, assuming people aren't playing a bunch of graveyard hate.
Hi,
I'm attending to tournament where I am expecting that the biggest part of the metagame is Combo (Storm, S&T, Reanimator), Delver-Decks and Miracles (the rest is typical Legacy-Randomness). What do you recommend for such a metagame?
I'm able to build almost everything except for S&T, Reanimator and MUD.
greetings and thanks, Bierbaron
Thanks for the help, im thinking of using a BG deck, using mass discard, and recurring threats like Bloodghast/Gravecrawler/Tombstalker, LftL/Crop Rotation/land toobox. I might even slot in some Reanimate or Animate Dead to get my opponents creatures rolling for me if needed.Quote:
Originally Posted by ESG
Compost is amazing cant wait to use it, just like Choke.
I had already thought of Dredge, honestly it seems great in this field, last tournment i didnt saw a single g-yard hate card.
Anyways thanks one more time, i cant play affinity again since several people said that they were boarding hate for me next time.
@Tiago_B.: If grave hate isn't played, then Dredge is a great option. Enjoy steamrolling people through the Swiss rounds.
@ Bierbaron: A True-Name Nemesis deck, probably either Patroit or Deathblade. Or maybe an Esper Stoneblade list without True-Name Nemesis but with a Planeswalker plan for Miracles.
Anyone else want to make some recommendations? I feel like I'm leading the advice in this thread, and I know there are lots of better players and metagame crunchers on these boards.
Thank you for the advice! I'll definitely take that onboard. I was already thinking of a black splash anyway.
@ Bierbaron: I would probably go for Team America or Death and Taxes. Both are good against Storm, Reanimator and Show and Tell. And if you know what you're doing the Miracle match ups are quite decent for both as well. DnT tends to do well against Delver decks and with Team America AD is a beast in the mirror(ish) match ups. Hope this helps.
Thanks for the advices so far.
I already thought about playing team america or deathblade (or miracles), though I'm maybe one TNN short of playing deathblade (owning 2 atm).
Patriot is not the deck I enjoy to play, unfortunately :S
Is Brimaz considered a mustplay in D&T nowadays?
No he's not. Some play him, others do not. It's similar to playing TNN in BUG or Stoneblade. Some do with success, some don't with success.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bierbaron