There are several versions of wasteland strangler in the past, but they were all 3/3 for 4. I agree that this tiny power creep is a big deal. Notably, you can choose not to use the effect, so it will not kill itself.
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There are several versions of wasteland strangler in the past, but they were all 3/3 for 4. I agree that this tiny power creep is a big deal. Notably, you can choose not to use the effect, so it will not kill itself.
Retreat to Coralhelm + Knight of the Reliquary
Seems like it could be silly. Pump the knight. Use fetchlands for extra retreat triggers to tap down their creatures, and fetch the blue land with KoR to keep them tapped.
Remember that modern already has Essence Scatter, so the new devoid counter with CMC restrictions is just pointless in terms of Modern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
It's basically an old ruling. You can search for "Void Maw" and "Yawgmoth's Will".Quote:
Originally Posted by Dissection
Edit: Maw/Will got ruled out, so it becomes a new object in exile.
Not janky enough! We need Land Tax :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
Did somebody say BANT Lands?! :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Abolish :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
Also fun useless 3 card combo with Retreat to Coralhelm
1st turn - Land - Hedron Crab
2nd turn - Land - Ruin Ghost
3rd turn - 2 mana Land - Retreat to Coralhelm - exile land - etb - untap Ruin Ghost - repeat - mill opponent
Hey Modern friendly !
(or use Steppe Lynx for infinite attack power. . .)
Too bad every modern deck plays 1 mana removals for creatures and/or enchantments :/
IMO, most B/x midrange decks will prefer Liliana. Still, it stands out as one of the most interesting designs we've seen in this set so far.Quote:
Originally Posted by QBChaz
I mean, sure, they have similar mana costs, but it's not like a deck can't have more than one kill spell. Liliana has to be run in moderation because of the legend rule, and this will have to be run in moderation because it's conditional. The way I see it, the cards work out just fine together.Quote:
Originally Posted by DLifshitz
Hahaha definitely not tier one :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by HdH_Cthulhu
I understand it's off topic,but I do wonder if there are enough good 'tap' creatures like Jace, Noble Hierach, and Knight of the Reliquary to make Return to Coralhelm worthwhile in Modern.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
T1, Noble Hiearch, T2, Knight of the Reliquary, T3 Return to Coralhelm, swing for 20.
I tried a janky brew of it with Tideforce Elemental in WWK during that standard which obviously didnt work as well.
Hangarback Walker seems like another good tap guy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
I'm interested to see the manabase that enables those shenanigans since fetches and sac fodder needs to be kinda balanced.
A manabase with actual duals in Legacy could generate quite a bit mana from the fetched lands as well. Sunhome, Fortress of the Legion or Kessig Wolf Run could cover the last points of damage. Or you could generate mana and go Thespian's Stage + Dark Depths + Slayers' Stronghold for hasty Marit Lage tokens out of fucking nowhere. Probably needs some serious theorycrafting to get the numbers and sequencing right, though. Call me intrigued.
This really does seem worth talking about there is a lot of power here.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
This adds a lot of mana to your pool as every fetch you search up can add an extra mana off a Hierarch, and all the lands you are fetching with knight are giving you mana as well, so the turn you go off you have as much mana as you could want. Also there isn't any need to give knight or lynx whatever evasion as you can tap down blockers with every fetch you get (since you get a free activation that you don't need to use on knight).
The fact that this isn't just a do nothing combo piece but can actually scry you to good cards or offensively or defensively tap a bunch of opposing creatures isn't worth nothing either. Without a knight this enchantment essentially turns your mana dorks into Lotus Cobras.
Seems totally possible for a modern deck. Already there is a Knight of the Reliquary Naya deck that has put up a lot of results, not hard to think that a Bant version could be viable.
Depths is banned in modern, Eye of Ugin is legal though and can do things if there's piles of mana available. Alterantively There's a bunch of stuff that could happen in legacy with DRS and such.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
That is true. Actually, I think that a Legacy deck wanting to make use of Strangler would have to play StP as well as DRS in order for there to be exiled cards. Without StP, you'd be relying mostly on your own DRS, and your opponent's FoW and Delve spells. I dunno, I want this card to be playable, but I the way I see it, its conditionality and being in competition with Liliana don't bode well.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
Speaking of other removal: Bolt or StP backed up with Snapcaster also feel so much better and versatile, even if they don't have the advantage of Devoid.
I was talking about Legacy. Sunhome/Kessig Wolf Run are probably the better solutions since they take 1 slot max, depending on what you want to run.Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
Anybody interested in doing the math for a proper sequence for either Sunhome or Kessig (<-- which might be better since you can't chump Knight anymore) to go for the kill? It would be nice to know how feasible it actually is.
Just with kessig, each land you cycle through gives the knight +1/+1 by being in the graveyard, and 1 mana for the kessig activation. The knights 2 power offsets the 2 activation cost of Kessig, so that's 10 lands total. With Kessig + Sunhome, you can cycle through 7. So you probably want at least 10 forests or plains that come into play untapped in the deck so that you can start with 3 lands in play and cycle 7 without having to use fetchlands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
It looks to me that Retreat to Coralhelm has the makings of a winner in Modern and possibly Legacy. But omg, what a time sink with Sensei's Divining Top.
One thing to keep in mind is that, with Kessig, you're looking at four colors. That might be pretty tough to manage considering the majority of them must be Forests or Plains. If you can get it to work though, that's the makings of a really solid combo. Maybe splash blue just for the Retreat?
New card
Scour from existence 7
Instant
Exile target permanent
:laugh: . . . . . :rolleyes: . . . . :frown:
At least it doesn't give the opponent LIFE though, like Swords to Plowshares.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
For the combo to go off, you have to have a repeatable land tutor in play. Maybe I'm missing something, but it seems like finding a Plateau or Taiga shouldn't be that big of a challenge.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
If I were still on deadguy I'd give it a whirl as a 2 ofQuote:
Originally Posted by DLifshitz
Something something Knight of the Reliquary?Quote:
Originally Posted by rufus
I would run 4 Retreat to Coralhelm. The first one turns your lands into scry so you can dump extras and dig for KOTR.
Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
We're so spoiled.
I feel like Lucy from Peanuts on the insurance commercial. It should cost three.
Alternatively, multiple copies will allow you to ramp with a mana dork and churn out lands with KotR.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
This one becomes very easy to flip with Retreat to Coralhelm
http://community.wizards.com/sites/m...?itok=e7dFe0oF
Any other tools?
There's an amusing four card infinite loop in Modern now.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
Azorius Chancery
Ruin Ghost
Retreat to Coralhelm
Amulet of Vigor
For maximum troll value, add in any Landfall trigger to have ALL OF THE TRIGGERS. One of the few decks to actually have more triggers than Four Horsemen.
EDIT: I wonder if anyone can spot the odd card out in that set-up?
To be fair . . . it is a commonQuote:
Originally Posted by Star|Scream
It's also a very good looking card. Clean card design, good flavor text, and a fine example of digital art done right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
http://mythicspoiler.com/bfz/cards/s...mexistence.jpg
That curve though...Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
http://gatherer.wizards.com/Handlers...=943&type=card
I know you're talking about Modern with KotR + Retreat to Coralhelm, but haha that's THE biggest Path to Exile target e-v-e-r. "ohshi, Path the 21/21, hey you don't get a lands? fail to find? man that sucks, i tried to make up for it and but now, now i just i feel bad for you"
I mean I'd still play it, but
http://mythicspoiler.com/bfz/cards/blightedcataract.jpg
Blighted Cataract
Land
T: Add 1.
5U, T, Sac: Draw two.
Uncommon
According to the name and number crunch, this could be part of a cycle of "Blighted [X]" lands, presumably showing places that have devastated by the Eldrazi.
As for this one in particular, the draw activation is steep, but it could be interesting with Life from the Loam or Crucible of Worlds. Comparing it to the cycling lands: it draws more than one card and comes into play untapped, but costs considerably more and only produces colorless, so you can't play it in an emergency to generate colored mana. Still, there's room for the other entries in this cycle to be good.
The card just seems waaaaay too expensive to be useful. Plus, it produces colorless. I'd much rather have something competitive like Horizon Canopy. Sure, Horizon Canopy only replaces itself, but six mana plus itself is just way too much to actually be relevant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies
Yeah, though there are a lot of viable counters and techy stuff like Sejiri Steppe available.Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
Yeah, this one is probably not so good (although I would have been stoked to have something like this five years ago when I was still heavily brewing Loam decks), but there's room for there to be a cycle of Blighted X lands. In particular, if the green one generates tokens or the black one causes life loss, they could be interesting in Lands or Aggro Loam as one-ofs.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut