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And the same store is having a big 32 duals tourney this Saturday that I encourage anyone in the Northeast to come to:
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I can't wait to finally have some results to share again!
hello rock players i was toying around my sb currently i want to test a e tutor package and to get info about the weight of this sb tactics against non e-tutor package, here's my list (and btw i will bring his package to an unknown meta this coming saturday)
1 deed
1 dueling grounds
1 e. plague
1 tormod's
1 nihil
1 graf. cage
1 choke
1 needle
1 COP: red
2 e. tutor
2 duress
2 PTE
I already tested this list against dredge and went 2-1, but the 3 artifact GY hate is not enough the dredge player manage to destroy them all and put me into awkward position but luckly i managed to resolved a KOTR, still i feel that 3 artifact GY hate is short i'm planing to cut 2 pte for 2 surgicals.
What's your thoughts (for the whole sb package)?
thanks :)
I think you need 3 ETutor to make a Tutor board. I'm surprised your opponent successfully fought through 3 different hate like that. Are you sure you didn't misplay any of it (E Tutor for hate -> draw hate -> not cast hate immediately -> he Cabal Therapy hitting your hate)? Your wishboard seems flexible and varied, which is always good. Maybe an EE? It's usually just a more efficient Deed against many decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryn ball_2
I SB in 4 Surgical Extraction and 2 Gaddock Teeg against Dredge, and it rolls them every time. It's pretty one sided.
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I tested against Burn a lot yesterday. I was surprised at how much I lost. Looks like my 1x Kitchen Finks is going back in my SB. I'm worried about cutting a Diabolic Edict (Sneak and Show is terrifying), but Burn is a lot more likely to show up
I think SneakShow is more likely to show, and then leave because no one is playing legacy.:wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirrislegend
I personally like the tutor package. E. Tutor is in fact card disadvantage, however we have top, library, bob... there are a few tricks you can do to overcome that card you are losing.Quote:
Originally Posted by ryn ball_2
About the package:
First to all @mirri: 2 is the number of tutors. 3 is terrible, you'll end up getting 2 of them, and the tutor is nothing but a mean to get the card you want, so 2 tutors is correct.
CoP: Red - you'll get a pithing needle for CoP and lose the game. Use conversion and win. Remember that for the most part burn WILL win game 1.
E. Plague: 1 sigle plague does NOT hold down a goblins deck, and may not hold down a merfolks. Because goblins can cast a matron that will die, but will fetch him a lord, then he'll proceed deploying his ridiculous ammount of pressure and you'll lose. Remember that the best turn we can play plage is 2, if we opened with mox... that is a really dangherous match. As for merfolks, he just have A LOT of lords...
Dueling Grounds: might hold off merfolks, but about the goblins, if he has siege gang + krenko, you lose. Irrelevant on most other matches. So, my suggestion is 2 plagues.
Pernicious Deed: I could say the correct number is also 2, you'll want pernicious deed to deal against many decks, like affinity, any stax variation, mud, gw.... I would even go all 3 deeds, but I have no space.
2 Duress: I use this too. No need to explain why you need this.
Cage/Nihil/Tormod's : A lot of fear. I use 1 nihil, 1 surgical, 1 extirpate, but I run maindeck bojuka bog. Why is that? Because I can get my nihil via tutor, and KoTR can fetch bog. extirpate and surgical can remove only things that you need, instant speed too (also is hard to get by an extirpate, an surgical costs no mana). See, if you play against dredge and just leave your gy hate artifact lying there, he will ancient grudge/ray of revelation/chain of vapor it and proceed on comboing you. that's why sometimes is better to use instant-speed bojuka bog - or extirpate a dredger, or bridges, etc. It needs some pratice to play against dredge, but our deck already has most of the tools we need to frustrate their plan.
PTE Now that's an idea... sometimes I just wish I had more removals.... maybe I'll try it. Ian chooses dismember over it, because with jitte/batterskull there's pratically no drawback on it, but maybe PTE could be nice.
Well, that's it, sorry for the long post, hope I was of any help.:tongue: Also, I played last wednesday and went 4th place (mehh) 3-1-1, I'll post a brief report in a few hours.
Thanks
As I said, my quick report... in the field there were 2 esperblades, 1 UR dreadstill, 1 canadian, 2 sneak & show, 1 nic fit, 1 merfolks, 1 monoblue stasis (?!?!) 1 hypergenesis, TES... can't remember the rest, but one that I DO remember seeing was a show&tell deck that ran omniscience. Didnt play against it, but it was fun to see his match against burn...
anyway, due to an odd number of players, I got bye in the first round.
round: 2 Canadian
I win the roll, he keeps a hand with 1 snare, 1 goose, 1 stifle, 1 bolt, and no red mana. I discard his goose, throu a hymn as a bait for pierce (I judged that I'd prefer my removal spells to be resolved), found another discard then goyf, plowshared on delver, elspeth and gg. Game 2 he does fetch, I proceed on discard. I see 2 nice goyfs (nice because I had a pulse), then I take away a counter (can't remember wich) proceed on seize, after he resolves the second goyf, pulse, then hymn, taking 2 submerges away, and I play my goyf. I was at 9 and he cast his delver. I thought to myself "either I find something or I lost", and play bob - if I didin't find any solutions I would die anyway, and bob at least hits. delver does not flip, bob reveals nice lands and I cast deed to deal with delver. GG
round 3: Esperblade
I really don't know if I was cheated on that one, but He cast 4 fows and 4 stp on me, both on game 1 and 3 - he answered EVERY relevant noncreatuer spell I attempted (noncreature being anything that is not a lybrary and a top) wit ha counterspell of some kind, and plowshared EVERY creature. I lost g1, he kept a greedy hand that was wastelockd on g2 (thus making me win, because, come on, you cannot play if you have no lands or if you keep U.Sea, waste, no brainstorms and think you're gonna make it) and g3 time called and ended in a draw. I'm still trying to swallow the 8 forces and 8 plowshares one after another.
round 4: merfolks
game 1 I am able to disrupt his hand, but I never get to put real pressure on the field and he ends up winning. Game 2 E. plague and the absence (or removal) of lords from that side, paired with goyf and KoTR made me win. G3 I got a plague on hand and a top and thought I was fine. I wasn't. No removals, no threats, nothing but a top, a plague, and lands. I looked like at every fetchland I cracked the lands multiplied in the deck :tongue: I lost, obviously.
round 5: boros
game 1 even with disrupts, he didnt cast a single creature, only unleashed burn spell after burn spell. Of course, he won. G2 1 KoTR and Liliana kept me going even after I was PoPped. Game 3 it was alike, except for the fact that I poured all goyves (plural form of goyf?) and a reliquary on the field, backed by liliana. Also, burn-type players must realize that vexing devil is a terrible card to use against reliquary decks. He will just never attack, nor cause the 4 life loss.
Well that's it. I should train more, because I did a lot of mistakes, too, namely in the merfolks match, but as I said, I'm happy with the deck and the list. Ended in 4th place and won $40 \o/
Again, thanks for all oppinions and support.
Didn't get it at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by rxavage
rxavage is the owner and operator of my LGS. I didn't play Legacy tonight (because something very important came up). So he's being an asshat to me, that's all :tongue: But I'll forgive him because he donated a bunch of cards for me to give to kids learning to play MtG :smile:Quote:
Originally Posted by Sughayyer
With Merfolk coming back, or at least trying, I'm testing 4x Deed maindeck. We shall see if it works...or if I'm a fool, lol.
With the DHG 32 duals event coming up tomorrow, I am considering EE (over Zealous Persecution) in my SB, if only to hit Merfolk. Really not sure though. Depends on what I see, I suppose?
You play at DHG? I was there at the tournament before GP Providence :P
-Matt
thanks guys for the input about my e tutor sb! and yes i will drop dueling grounds and add plagues and EE still i will retain my cop: red (atm i'm in buying of conversion :tongue:) i will only test this once and eventually move to non-e tutor sb (maybe?)
Goodluck to everyone that will participate in a legacy tourney!
If i manage to catch up later at my local i will send a tourney report :)
Mirri- I have been saying it for a little bit now but EE is a house against all of the fair decks, especially RUG and Maverick. It helps against faster aggro decks like Merfolk and goblins, and can come in for dead cards against empty the warrens combo or artifact mana that they play out to get around discard. Elves is hurt by EE at one and Merfolk can scoop to a well timed EE at three.
Right now I would even say that EE 1-4 are better than pernicious deed 1, as a rock player you want your creatures/enchantments/permanates on the board instead of deeding away everything. This is even more true when you run 4 tarmogoyfs as you can blow up all knights or moms and beat face( not to mention keeping bobs alive).
Long story short: play 3-4 in the board as your maverick and rug hate and use it in other matchups as a bonus.
PS EE also gets around Thalia!! Deed cost 4 to play under the white hate bear, which is a lot considering maverick plays wastelands and knights.
The only card merfolk plays at 3 is Kira.Quote:
Originally Posted by lavafrogg
EE is great, but I still prefer deed because of its broader range (example, in merfolks it destroys vial as well). EE at 3 destroys out liliana as well, while deed keeps our planeswalkers safe. I think that's a metagame call.... I dunno
And good luck for all who are participating in tournaments today! I unfortunatelly won't :(
Sorry, 2 or 3, 12 of the lords cost 2 and 4 cost three. I got it backwards last time, this only further solidifies EE as you can blow it for two and keep your knights alive!
sorry guys i dont made it today cuz of heavy rains here so i wasnt able to catch up at my local :frown:
merfolk at 3 cmc, i believe they still play Merrow Reejerey along side 2 kira's i guess but still EE for 2 is really awesome against them can blow away many annoying lords and even phastamal images. Atm i'm planing of a 2 deed, 2 EE split, EE is faster than deed if you wish you blow away certain things that doesnt affect either of our bobs, sdt, etc.
@sug: do you run 24 lands right? alongside 2 mox d?, i'm tweaking my dark horizon's manabase test whether 23 or 24 lands is ok :smile:
@Ryn
Yeah, I run 24 lands and 3 moxen, it seems ok for me.
My current manabase is:
4 verdant catacombs
4 marsh flats
3 scrubland
2 bayou
4 wasteland
1 maze of ith
1 horizon canopy
1 karakas
1 bojuka bog
1 forest
1 swamp
1 plains
next wednesday I'll take away my plains and put sejiri steppe, I think it'll be worthwhile.
EDIT: the correct number of moxen is really 3. 4 and we'll just draw too many of them, and with 2 the only function they execute is to be a terrible topdeck mid-late game
@sug: thanks for the info! and also sharing your manabase :smile:
if i ever got my 3rd bayou i will try this list:
3 bayou
3 scrubland
1 swamp
1 forest
1 plains
4 verdant catacombs
4 marsh flats
4 wasteland
1 karakas
1 maze of ith
1 bojuka bog
Atm i used: 2 bayou, 2 scrub, 2 swamp, 1 forest, 1 plains, 8 fetches, 4 waste, 3 utility lands, i include 2nd swamp due to hymn's and liliana's casting cost w/c is seem's fine
ideally i have 4 lands immune to wasteland, but 4 duals are susceptible to wasteland.
Anyways if i ever got the 3rd bayou i will the list right away :)
In all honesty, running a mix of EE and Deed isn't a bad idea.
-Matt
this is exactly the thing i was thinking about, and i am allready running 1 EE in my MD, running a 2nd one in the side, together with 2 deedsQuote:
Originally Posted by sdematt