[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

I'm also waiting for the low point, but do not think it will go as low as you're thinking. Keep in mind the price of each MM17 pack...

Eventually, all reprintable Legacy and Modern stuff will decrease in price. Only original set foils will keep their price and rise slowly when collectors buy them. Almost nobody wants MM2 foils for example.

Show and Tell, Berserk, Karakas you name it for Legacy.
Voice of Resurgence, Goblin Guide, Goblin Piledriver, Tarmogoyf you name the reprint for Modern.

If you don't need the cards for playing and just collect them, it is good time to cash them out or trade them to power and old school stuff.

Food Chain has surged now up to about $45 each. I've picked a pretty poor time to get them...

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Food Chain has surged now up to about $45 each. I've picked a pretty poor time to get them...

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My brother just nabbed his playset from a local store at $22 each.
Online the NM Eternal Scourge is sold out at $0.49 each, had to settle for the SP $0.40 version.
The deck is definitely growing in popularity.

This is a general reprints question: If a card has been reprinted as a masterpiece, does that decrease the likelihood that it will ever be reprinted in an upcoming set as a rare or mythic? Has WOTC stated anything about that anywhere? Would be keen to hear what you guys think.

Random reprints could come any time, even in Duel decks. I cashed out Canopies, Food chains, Groves, Baubles and other too expensive stuff for what they do.

Forget Top, the question is, how low can Tundra go?

I foresee many up for sale in the coming days...

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Forget Top, the question is, how low can Tundra go?

I foresee many up for sale in the coming days...

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I dont.

If you play legacy, selling 2-3 duals because a deck isnt playable for a while makes little sense.

I hardly expect a dip in the tundra price tbh.

Do people really thing As Fortold is going to do shit? I ordered some Lotus Bloom for Aluren, I am selling them now.

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Do people really thing As Fortold is going to do shit? I ordered some Lotus Bloom for Aluren, I am selling them now.

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In modern? Absolutely. In Legacy...I don't think so.

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I dont.

If you play legacy, selling 2-3 duals because a deck isnt playable for a while makes little sense.

I hardly expect a dip in the tundra price tbh.

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I was mostly being sarcastic. I have seen more for sale recently than before, but it will be a drop in the bucket really.

https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...00&oe=598001FE

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https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...00&oe=598001FE

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This doesn't seem to be in the US at all, still tons around 45-50 on tcgplayer and ebay

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https://scontent-mxp1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...00&oe=598001FE

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Isn't he banned in EDH now? Shouldn't he be dropping ever so slightly?

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Isn't he banned in EDH now? Shouldn't he be dropping ever so slightly?

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According to the MTG Finance Reddit page, the logic is that EDH players were the ones busting packs of Conspiracy 2 in order to crack this guy. Now that he's banned, those players will stop busting packs which reduces supply drastically. Demand in Legacy has never been higher and may continue to rise, so those two factors may lead to a steady rise in price.

He's already on his way back to something around 50. Been watching the "action" unfolg this afternoon, someone put pretty much all of them into his cart; at one point the only one left was 250€+. Ever since since he's been dropping to regular levels again, currently at around 60,- € and falling.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Di...ean+Hulk#paper

If this isn't pure hype then I don't even

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https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Di...ean+Hulk#paper

If this isn't pure hype then I don't even

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Was just unbanned in EDH. Means every degen edh combo player now needs however many decks they have.

...which also means that Flash is now $6.

Oh my
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Mo...Canonist#paper

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Oh my
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Mo...Canonist#paper

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https://www.magiccardmarket.eu/Produ...sworn+Canonist

Holy balls, what's this all about?

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Canonist is the shit right now because storm has been doing well online so everyone is sideboarding it.

Nice hype to sell into. Too bad price memory won't let it ever be worth the pack it came in

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https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Di...ean+Hulk#paper

If this isn't pure hype then I don't even

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Protean Hulk is an amazing card with amazing potential. The EDH unban is just icing on the cake, imo. Cards like Protean Hulk just get stronger and stronger, as more creatures get released, and more busted ways to get it in-and-out of play get released.

Aside from the odd card like Canonist, the price spikes and buyouts seem to have really slowed down in the past year. Would you guys attribute that to a more liberal reprint policy (e.g. introduction of Masterpieces and more Masters sets), or is there something else at play?

Seems like a much more stable economy than before. You can see it just takes about a year from when they identify a problem to correct it. I think we should be thankful that WotC listened.

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The price spikes and buyouts seem to have really slowed down in the past year.

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I'm curious how much of this is just that Reserved List cards have reached their new 'normal' and that previously undervalued cards are priced where the market thinks they should be (which is apparently higher than demand warrants in most cases).

Another factor/possibility is that WotC's willingness to make Masters sets has increased the risk component of the risk/reward equation speculators used on non-RL cards.

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I'm curious how much of this is just that Reserved List cards have reached their new 'normal' and that previously undervalued cards are priced where the market thinks they should be (which is apparently higher than demand warrants in most cases).

Another factor/possibility is that WotC's willingness to make Masters sets has increased the risk component of the risk/reward equation speculators used on non-RL cards.

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Not all of them have done this. Lake of the dead for example has seen a wee rise in price, but hasn't shot up for any reason. It's a reserve list land that can do big things. It's no Gaea's Cradle, but it does fit into the growing old-school, and edh market alike.

To take a stab at it, I'd say a small majority of the RL cards have reset their new price memory. This based on my own interest in old-school formats and the archetypes presented.

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Could be that most of the reserved list playable powerhouses that were run up (Cradle, Moat, LED, Tabernacle) hit the current market limit and sellers can't off load them any higher. Everything seems to have leveled off at the new higher price and stabilized. The manipulators might have taken big enough hits that they couldn't keep it up? Not sure. Either way, those four all were spiked in July '16 and have since leveled out.

Cradle https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/8999
Moat https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/11653
LED https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/10345
Tabernacle (more of a natural increase) https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/11742

In any case, I don't think its the new reprints that are contributing to the stabilization. The spikes were a mix of direct manipulation (moat, LED) and some others may have been panic buyouts.

I personally think that spikes are default panic buyouts. People generally accept that mtg cards are an unregulated form of money market and thus can be bought and sold for profit, Like any other commodity on a market. As stated above, things like moat were manipulated into their new ceiling price. LED went down the same road.

I've shown magic card price charts to people who deal in economics and day trading, for example, and they've been taken aback every time. The trends there work the same as in commodities futures, 1-2-3 patterns, pinnacles, etc. They're all useable to predict the future price of cards and get on the boat before breakouts. Obviously magic has a different set of variables than a commodity market (set releases, BR announcements) and these variances keep one from reading the bones to foresee the future 100% every time.



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Could be that most of the reserved list playable powerhouses that were run up (Cradle, Moat, LED, Tabernacle) hit the current market limit and sellers can't off load them any higher. Everything seems to have leveled off at the new higher price and stabilized. The manipulators might have taken big enough hits that they couldn't keep it up? Not sure. Either way, those four all were spiked in July '16 and have since leveled out.

Cradle https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/8999
Moat https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/11653
LED https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/10345
Tabernacle (more of a natural increase) https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/11742

In any case, I don't think its the new reprints that are contributing to the stabilization. The spikes were a mix of direct manipulation (moat, LED) and some others may have been panic buyouts.

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Maybe to get them to get a higher baseline more money needs to be thrown at the wall. Another buy out, another leveling off, a new base.

Looks like another stupid buyout with a hard spike on Drop of Honey.

https://www.mtgstocks.com/prints/11912

Card jumped from about $70 to $250 over the weekend after putting 2 sideboard copies in Top 8, 1 additional copy in Top 16. Quiet Speculation turds didn't help I'm sure.

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Insider: Revisiting a Case Study (QS) Jun 11, 2017

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Sweet! That means the Porphyry Nodes I've been stockpiling are bound to increase in price, right? :rolleyes:

I almost expect Serra's Sanctum to spike with the new Solemnity reveal. Not that any incredible deck will come out of it, but speculators are idiots who will drive up anything they can if they can sell a rationalization.

That or we'll see something random spike like Halls of Mist

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Sweet! That means the Porphyry Nodes I've been stockpiling are bound to increase in price, right? :rolleyes:

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You were joking but with that new enchantment reveal today you might be right

Nah I get quiet spec updates and no one got Drop of Honey as an early call. This is just a legit buyout to up the price memory. It's a solid card in oldschool formats and warranted 70 buck's a pop but the asshats relisting it for 250 are gunning for a cash grab.

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What was that article they wrote about/including the card?

They put out a recap article mentioning drop of honey but no where did an author call the spec before the GP, that's what you were talking about right?

Looks like QS dropped a new article, "Insider: Speculation on Legacy Isn’t Dead (QS) Jun 18, 2017", so now Drop of Honey is $425 TCG median, based off of 5 listings ranging $300 - $469.

GG idiots.

Well, weren't they right? Didn't they set out to do what they achieved and moved the market themselves?