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The thing is, both are equally good at combatting ANT, but it's much more a matter of timing with the Song over Flusterstorm, which can be used at any point in the combo to deny the ANT player (although, as Solidarity, you should ideally be going off in response to their Storm trigger, if possible, in order to piggyback their count).Quote:
Originally Posted by astormbrewing
I've been messing around with this, and once it starts going it's pretty insane! so much mana so fast and recurring meditate is just dumb!
3 Snapcaster Mage
4 Brainstorm
3 Cunning Wish
3 Flusterstorm
4 Force of Will
4 High Tide
4 Meditate
4 Opt
4 Remand
3 Reset
2 Snap
2 Turnabout
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6 Fetchland
14 Island
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1 Blue Sun's Zenith
1 Brain Freeze
1 Flusterstorm
1 Intuition
3 Pact of Negation
1 Peek
1 Rebuild
1 Repeal
1 Reset
1 Snap
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Turnabout
1 Wipe Away
I am finding it easy to get to a point of just drawing your entire deck, then just Blue Sun Zenith'ing the opponent out once you tap / untap / tap so many times.
Is there a standard Solidarity build running around at the moment? If there is I'd like to know what it is and see if I should change anything.
Hi Feline,
Nice to see you in this topic.
I've been working on and off with Seraphus to make a viable Solidarity build.
Maybe now, since the meta is kind of slowing down, this deck could see some more play. To be honest, it's a blast to play.
My current list is pretty standard from what's going around the topic.
I suggest playing the full set of Reset mainboard.
Also, to reduce bad draws during the combo, cut your lands to 12 Island, 6 Fetch. That's basically the manabase to go.
Impulse is a very powerful card, imho, you can't sleeve this deck up without it.
Have you been goldfishing the below list or played some matches with it?
Again, nice to see some input.
@feline
There isn't, since this deck sees little to no play.
Last list I played was http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...l=1#post778752 , which also got featured in a Kötter article.
Feline,
You're missing Impulse, which I would definitely play over some number of Remand (if not all of them).
-4 Remand -2 Island
+4 Impulse +1 Reset +1 USZ/Brain Freeze?
Why would you only play 10 Islands? My consideration would be to move the Remands out and put 3 Impulse and a single Blue Sun's Zenith in the main - you want to have the capacity to kill main, as a Surgical on your Cunning Wishes, feline, mean you just lose.Quote:
Originally Posted by astormbrewing
And how many decks run Surgical Extraction in the main?Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
Besides, Cunning wish exile on resolution. Surgical extraction would have difficulties to target it.
Counters and discard would get it there which is what I assume they were referring to. Either way, it shouldn't be a major concern I agree.Quote:
Originally Posted by Firefraise
Care to elaborate? I'd like to know more about this deck - what are the best/worst matchups? Any specific card/strategy that poses a particular problem?Quote:
Originally Posted by H3llsp4wn
Greetings to all here! This is my first post of many hopefully.
I have played Magic on and off for 15 years. I've never competed in any Constructed or Eternal format tournaments and I've recently decided to enter local Legacy tournaments with my deck of choice being, Solidarity. I have chosen this deck type because of, my personal attraction to playing Combo/control, its versatility, it's often challenging complexity, and its current scarcity.
What I've gathered from the local tournament holder is that, no one is playing Solidarity or Spiral Tide. I'm hoping this will give me the rogue factor as the local meta-game has been absent of its influence. I have been for a month now researching and studying all about Legacy and Solidarity, as well I've been constantly testing/gold-fishing and refining my deck list. I must remind everyone that this is a semi-budget build.
This is my list:
Instant:
1x Brain Freeze
4x Brainstorm
3x Cunning Wish
4x Disrupting Shoal
4x High Tide
4x Impulse
3x Meditate
4x Peer Through Depths
2x Remand
4x Reset
2x Snap
3x Turnabout
Sorcery:
2x Merchant Scroll
Creature:
2x Snapcaster Mage
Land:
18x Island
Sideboard:
1x Blue Sun's Zenith
1x Brain Freeze
1x Chain of Vapor
1x Divert
1x Echoing Truth
1x Meditate
1x Mindbreak Trap
1x Pact of Negation
1x Ravenous Trap
1x Rebuild
1x Surgical Extraction
1x Swan Song
1x Turnabout
1x Twincast
1x Wipe Away
I understand some of my inclusions may seem debatable, and will need some explanation, but this is my sincere budget build. Any constructive opinions?
It's a decent budget build, but those things that are outside the budget are pretty damned essential - the main focus should be on getting the Fetchlands (I'd probably aim for Tarn and Rainforest) and then the Forces.Quote:
Originally Posted by SingleReel
Fetch lands are pretty important. Brainstorm is a fairly bad card in this deck without the shuffle effect they allow.
>Solidarity deck
>Has Merchant Scroll
Seriously though, Scroll is bad. You might as well play Spiral Tide if you want it.
You may start to play Spring Tide deck, which is pretty budget and plays merchant scroll, cloud of faeries and snap in 4x. Good luck! ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by SingleReel
Thanks for all the replies and advice!
I had a feeling my inclusion of Merchant Scroll was going to cause concern, in play testing they have proven to be an advantage despite being a sorcery, they are to be used early while crafting my hand in the absence of having a High Tide. They have saved me a few times, and I do understand they are completely dead draws during combo which has made me entertain the idea of replacing them for two more counters, maybe Swan Song?Quote:
Originally Posted by rhinoflipper
Quote:
Originally Posted by JPoJohnson
I will admit it is killing me inside that I don't have any fetchlands to compliment Brainstorm, at the moment I'm using Brainstorm early and backing it up with Peer Through Depths, that way if the two cards returned by Brainstorm are dead cards I can remove and dig past them with Peer Through Depths. And quite obviously I've replaced Force of Will with Disrupting Shoal, so far in my testing Shoal has proven to work well and consistently as a mana-free counterspell as I almost always have a "pitch" card with 1-3 CMC, and hard casting Disrupting Shoal mid-game to late-game has been within possibility and reason.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darkenslight
I am aware of Spring Tide and I ultimately decided on a Solidarity build do to the fact it can win in response to an impending loss, instant speed was a weapon I felt could be utilized greatly.Quote:
Originally Posted by fuga
So I've been making a budget build too, I play a very competitive UWr Midrange deck in modern so I've harvested a bunch of cards from that for this deck too. So far here is my list...
Spells
4 Brainstorm
4 Impulse
4 Meditate
2 Opt
3 Snap
4 High Tide
4 Reset
2 Turnabout
3 Cunning Wish
1 Brain Freeze
2 Remand
2 spell pierce
1 Blue Sun's Zenith
3 Swansong
Creatures
3 Snapcaster Mage
Lands
4 Scalding Tarn
14 Islands
Sideboard
1 Blue Sun's Zenith
1 Brain Freeze
1 Turnabout
1 Ghostly Flicker
1 Hurkyl's Recall
1 peek
1 Twincast
The sideboard is still in development. I've really only been goldfishing this deck, with a small number of actual matches played so far, but as I can see the biggest issue with the deck is just missing a piece of the combo, either a tide, or draw, or untap. I, like the above poster, have been thinking of adding in one or 2 merchant scrolls for set-up, to be played before you combo out on their turn, why is this so controversial? This is also why I love running BSZ in the main as drawing it in the beginning of my combo to draw off 10+ cards is insane, and I can often use that as the kill spell too.
Also a question for the deck, is brain freeze an instant kill or do I have to wait/make them draw a card? For example lets say they declare attackers for lethal, can I combo out an Brain Freeze for the win in response to this? I know that BSZ is an instant kill, but I cant seem to find the rules text for BF.
Thanks for the help!
- Mike
Merchant Scroll completely ruins Solidarity. As soon as you put Scrolls (or any sorcery speed card) in the deck you are instantly playing subpar Spring Tide. Go play Spring Tide if you want to run Scroll. Much of this deck's power comes from being able to do nothing until literally the last second. Other combo decks constantly have to assess the game state to decide if they want to try to combo off. Having cards that work against that goal while simultaneously running 'subpar' cards (Opt, Peek, etc.) for achieving this goal is stupid. There is a reason that we don't have Candelabra or Spiral. We have a plan, we stick to that plan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ltj999
The rules say that if a player would draw a card when there are no cards in their library, they lose the game. Brain Freeze doesn't kill the turn you play it (on its own).Quote:
Originally Posted by Ltj999
Yah I see your point there. Maybe goldfishing then isnt the best way of seeing what it looks like to me, as I feel like its super slow, but in a game where you can wait so long it makes much more sense.Quote:
Originally Posted by rhinoflipper
so what do people tend to do with Brain Freeze? Play Brain Freeze then BSZ for one? Or do some people just more often go with the BSZ plan? As it is BSZ gets around emrakul and the likes.
11 Island
3 Misty Rainforest
2 Scalding Tarn
2 Polluted Delta
1 Snap
3 Snapcaster Mage
3 Force of Will
4 Meditate
4 Reset
2 Remand
3 Flusterstorm
2 Peek
2 Opt
4 High Tide
2 Cryptic Command
2 Brain Freeze
2 Turnabout
3 Impulse
4 Brainstorm
1 Blue Sun's Zenith
1 Repeal
SB: 1 Force of Will
SB: 2 Echoing Truth
SB: 2 Repeal
SB: 1 Swan Song
SB: 1 Venser, Shaper Savant
SB: 2 Mindbreak Trap
SB: 3 Ravenous Trap
SB: 2 Rebuild
SB: 1 Snap
hard to play... those who know know and play those who do not when asking something please do not ask why not other cards, instead ask why for example BSZ in main - which is obvious...