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4. jfb1337: Academy Ruins, Simic Growth Chamber, Powder Keg, Courier's Briefcase
That's me; adapting a deck I saw in another 4cb event to fit this format.

1. Asthereal (TO): Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
I keg your tokens, then build my own army. WW.
2. dte: Okiba Reckoner Raid, swamp, funeral charm, vicious rumors
If you discard both my artifacts I can still keg by turn 5, then build my army. WW
3. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Okiba reckoner raid, Snuff Out, Swamp
Same, but I get keg down even earlier as I only discard my briefcase. WW.
5. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension
Not having access to ratchet bomb kills me. I can keg your tokens once per 2 turns but that's enough for you to attack through. LL.
6. alphastryk: Mountain, Hammerheim, Raze, Devastating Summons
You kill my bounceland. LL.
7. RoosterCocoa: Island, Mistvault Bridge, Rise and Shine, Forget
Indestructible? Dang. I can make a token every 2 turns but pretty sure I can't race that. LL.
8. Phasmoid: Razortide Bridge, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace
I keg your tokens then build my own army. WW.
9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy
I keg your token then build my own army. Your interaction does nothing. WW.
10. maxx!: Mistvault Bridge, Island, Forget, Resculpt
I keg your token then build my own army. Your forget does nothing; I just discard my artifacts. WW.
11. silkster: Blackcleave Cliffs, Strike It Rich, Devour Intellect, Okiba Reckoner Raid
I keg your guy by turn 5 even if you discard it, then build my own army. WW.


14w = 42 points.

9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy

1. Asthereal (TO): I can counter 1 Pact, Path the 2nd token, and make a 1/1.
Edit: I needed more sleep before submitting. I picked my deck to beat AngelPact, but of course you can just Pact before I play a land to dodge the counter and I can't make a threat if you hold back Pact. DL 1-4

2. dte: Draw city. I can always counter or Path your wincon, but you can Charm or discard mine. DD 2-2
3. Reeplcheep: Same as dte. I can always remove your wincon, but you can always discard or kill mine. DD 2-2
4. jfb1337: Welcome! Nice deck. I had a similar one in my gauntlet but didn't expect anything like this with so much LD possible. LL 0-6
5. GoblinSmashmaster: I can counter Energy Field and keep attacking with a 1/1 to keep counters off Ascension. WW 6-0
6. alphastryk: You must sacrifice 1 land to Raze to force out my counter, then you Devastating Summons for 2 1/1s trading with my last 2 cards. DD 2-2
7. RoosterCocoa: I can counter Forget, Path your indestructible 4/4, and win with a 1/1. WW 6-0
8. Phasmoid: Same as Asthereal.
Edit: DL 1-4
10. maxx!: I can counter Forget, Path your 4/4, and win with a 1/1. WW 6-0
11. silkster: OTP I counter your discard spell, Path your threat, and win with a 1/1.
Edit: OTD you get to discard first. If you take Path or Offer, the other answers your threat and I win with a 1/1. So you take my threat, and I answer yours. WD 4-1

Total: 30 points (7 wins, 9 draw, 4 loss)

I'm surprised how little LD showed up.
Edit: After I majorly miscalculated the AngelPact matchup, my LD deck would have scored much better.

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Originally Posted by jfb1337

4. jfb1337: Academy Ruins, Simic Growth Chamber, Powder Keg, Courier's Briefcase
That's me; adapting a deck I saw in another 4cb event to fit this format.

14w = 42 points

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Welcome to our group. Nice showing!
Was the deck you saw my Engineered Explosives + Arcbound Ravager deck from a past season?

I've been afraid to play a similar Academy Ruins deck due to expecting more LD. Instead there was a lot of discard, but this plays around discard. Good timing!

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Originally Posted by FTW

Welcome to our group. Nice showing!
Was the deck you saw my Engineered Explosives + Arcbound Ravager deck from a past season?

I've been afraid to play a similar Academy Ruins deck due to expecting more LD. Instead there was a lot of discard, but this plays around discard. Good timing!

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Thanks! In fact it was a Ratchet bomb + Chronomaton deck from a reddit 4cb event a couple years ago.

I didn't see a lot of LD in the previous round besides crack the earth which got banned; so I decided not to play around it too much; and I also couldn't think of much other LD.

Looks like EE would have been a little better; beating the energy field deck.

GoblinSmashmaster Results for Round "More Discard"

1. Asthereal (TO): Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
Angel smash! 6-0

2. dte: Okiba Reckoner Raid, swamp, funeral charm, vicious rumors
Discard :( 0-6

3. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Okiba reckoner raid, Snuff Out, Swamp
Discard :( 0-6

4. jfb1337: Academy Ruins, Simic Growth Chamber, Powder Keg, Courier's Briefcase
Angel smash! 6-0

5. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension
That's me, sick of fun Goblins losing to LD

6. alphastryk: Mountain, Hammerheim, Raze, Devastating Summons
Angel smash! 6-0

7. RoosterCocoa: Island, Mistvault Bridge, Rise and Shine, Forget
Discard :( 0-6

8. Phasmoid: Razortide Bridge, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace
Angel smash! 6-0

9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy
Counter 0-6

10. maxx!: Mistvault Bridge, Island, Forget, Resculpt
Discard :( 0-6

11. silkster: Blackcleave Cliffs, Strike It Rich, Devour Intellect, Okiba Reckoner Raid
Discard :( 0-6

Total: 24 points

1. Asthereal (TO): ​ ​ ​ Rustvale Bridge ​ , ​ Angel's Grace ​ , ​ Pact of the Titan ​ , ​ Pact of the Titan
and
8. me: ​ ​ ​ Razortide Bridge ​ , ​ Pact of the Titan ​ , ​ Pact of the Titan ​ , ​ Angel's Grace




1. Asthereal (TO): Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan ​ DD 2-2
Titans stare or trade



2. dte: Okiba Reckoner Raid, swamp, funeral charm, vicious rumors ​ DL 1-4


when we are OTD:
T1+T2 discard means we lose quickly if we ever make a threat.
Thus we don't, so we instead lose slowly to Nezumi Road Captain.

when we are OTP:
We can discard 1 Pact to get 1 Titan without losing to the Pact Trigger. ​ You can't do better than
[trading with that Titan] plus [shifting 3 life via Vicious Rumors + ORR], so you don't win.
You cast T1 Vicious Rumors, so we discard a Pact or won't be able to make
_either_ Titan without quickly losing. ​ You cast T2 ORR, giving you T4 NRC,
and that plus Funeral Charm trades for our Titan. ​ Thus you don't lose.



3. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Okiba reckoner raid, Snuff Out, Swamp ​ LL 0-6

T1 discard means we can't get more than 1 Titan without losing quickly to the Pact trigger.
That Titan gets Snuffed Out, and then we lose slowly to NRC.


4. jfb1337: Academy Ruins, Simic Growth Chamber, Powder Keg, Courier's Briefcase ​ LL 0-6

You can blow up Powder Keg on T3, which is fast-enough.
That stops us from winning, so recurring Courier's Briefcase wins for you.


5. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension ​ LL 0-6
You cast Energy Field on T3, which is fast-enough, and then Angels smash.

6. alphastryk: Mountain, Hammerheim, Raze, Devastating Summons ​ WW 6-0
Our lands can't be Razed, so Titans smash.



7. RoosterCocoa: Island, Mistvault Bridge, Rise and Shine, Forget ​ DL 1-4


when we are OTD:
T2 double-discard means we lose quickly if we ever make a threat.
Thus we don't, so we instead lose to 4/4 Bridge.

when we are OTP:
We can't beat T2 indestructible 4/4. ​ You can't beat a pair of 4/4s,
or even a single 4/4 that attacks before you get your creature.



8. Phasmoid: Razortide Bridge, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace
see ​ 1. Asthereal



9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy ​ WD 4-1


when we are OTP:
We get both Titans, and you can't make an Offer for Angel's Grace because Angel's Grace
has split second. ​ One of our Titans gets exiled, but the other beats your Soldier.

when we are OTD:
You can make an Offer for one of our Titans and exile the other, so you don't lose.
If you make your Soldier, then we resolve both Pacts, since Angel's Grace
has split second. ​ You can't exile more than one of them, so you don't win.



10. maxx!: Mistvault Bridge, Island, Forget, Resculpt ​ WL 3-3


when we are OTP:
We get both Titans, and two 4/4s beats a single 4/4.

when we are OTD:
T2 double-discard means we lose quickly if we ever make a threat.
Thus we don't, so we instead lose to your Elemental.



11. silkster: Blackcleave Cliffs, Strike It Rich, Devour Intellect, Okiba Reckoner Raid ​ LL 0-6

You T1 Devour our Grace, so we lose quickly if we ever make a threat.
Thus we don't, so we instead lose slowly to NRC.




4 LL ​ + ​ 2 DL ​ + ​ 1 DD ​ + ​ 1 WL ​ + ​ 1 WD ​ + ​ 1 WW ​ ​ ​ = ​ ​ ​ 17 points

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Originally Posted by FTW

9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy

1. Asthereal (TO): I can counter 1 Pact, Path the 2nd token, and make a 1/1. WW 6-0
8. Phasmoid: Same as Asthereal. WW 6-0

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disagreement: ​ ​ ​ We cast both Pacts on T1. ​ When we are OTP,
that is before you have mana to make an Offer for one of them.
I get that we win when we are OTP.

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Originally Posted by Phasmoid

disagreement: ​ ​ ​ We cast both Pacts on T1. ​ When we are OTP,
that is before you have mana to make an Offer for one of them.
I get that we win when we are OTP.

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You're correct. I forgot that the tapped artifact land doesn't actually slow down this deck by 1 turn, and that you can main phase Pact before I play a land. Edited above.
Ironically I selected my cards (over some similar ones) to WW vs AngelPact, except my deck does almost the opposite. Piracy Charm + Path would have done it, Offer does not.

@Reeplcheep :
I did think it was WL as I was typing up the disagreement, since I
forgot the other part between my results post and my disagreement post. ​ :-)

maxx!: Mistvault Bridge, Island, Forget, Resculpt

1. Asthereal (TO): Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
OTP I make you Forget 2 things and you need at least 3 cards to do anything. OTD two 4/4s beats one. 3-3

2. dte: Okiba Reckoner Raid, swamp, funeral charm, vicious rumors
OTP I discard Forget to either of your discard spells and then make a 4/4 on turn 2, which should beat your other 2 cards. OTD you can make me discard twice before I can play anything. 3-3 OTP I discard Forget to Vicious Rumors, then make a 4/4. Your 2/2 can combine with Funeral Charm to trade, so we draw. OTD I discard 2 cards before casting anything. 1-4

3. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Okiba reckoner raid, Snuff Out, Swamp
Snuff Out makes this hard. OTP you play Cry, I discard Resculpt, and then make you Forget your other 2 cards for the draw. OTD you can play Okiba and Cry before I can do anything, and Snuff trades with my last card no matter which one it is. 1-4

4. jfb1337: Academy Ruins, Simic Growth Chamber, Powder Keg, Courier's Briefcase
Welcome! Nice deck. Forget can't ever make you discard a land, and you can recur any discarded artifacts infinitely. Keg takes care of my token, and Briefcase tokens get there. 0-6

5. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension
Your slow lands mean I can always play Forget before you play an enchantment. 6-0

6. alphastryk: Mountain, Hammerheim, Raze, Devastating Summons
OTP Forget makes you discard a land and Raze, and then Summons for 1 can't beat a 4/4. OTD you can Summons for 2 which lets you trade with my token. 4-1 I missed the line where you hold 3 of your cards until I make a move, letting you Raze my Island if I cast Forget. 2-2

7. RoosterCocoa: Island, Mistvault Bridge, Rise and Shine, Forget
OK this is just a better version of my deck. Wish I had thought about Rise and Shine, since an indestructible 4/4 is way better. For the mirror we trade Forgets. 3-3

8. Phasmoid: Razortide Bridge, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace
See Asthereal. 3-3

9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy
AOYCR counters Forget, then Path gets my 4/4. 0-6

10. maxx!: Mistvault Bridge, Island, Forget, Resculpt
This is me :]

11. silkster: Blackcleave Cliffs, Strike It Rich, Devour Intellect, Okiba Reckoner Raid
OTP you can make me discard Resculpt, but then I can make you discard Okiba so we stare. OTD you have time to play your threat and make me discard mine. 1-4

3+1+1+0+6+2+3+3+0+1 = 20

Disappointed that I could've gotten 10 more points (I think?) with RoosterCocoa's deck. Oh well.

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Originally Posted by alphastryk

6. alphastryk: Mountain, Hammerheim, Raze, Devastating Summons

7. RoosterCocoa: Island, Mistvault Bridge, Rise and Shine, Forget
OTP, I aim to make 2 2/2s on my turn 2 ignoring Raze, which can draw with your 4/4. OTD, the best I can do is play Mountain and hold my other cards - If you play your threat I make 2/2s to draw, if you play Forget I discard Summons & Hammerheim and Raze your Island to draw. DD

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Your 2/2s can't trade with Rooster's indestructible 4/4, so when Rooster is OTP, Mistvault Bridge gets the first attack in and you can't trade or race. When you're OTP you should be able to get an attack in while the 4/4 is tapped from casting Rise, so Rooster has to stay back. 1-4 for you?

7. RoosterCocoa: Island, Mistvault Bridge, Rise and Shine, Forget

1. Asthereal (TO): Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
OTP I make you discard 2, OTD you can't win through my indestructible 4/4. WD

2. dte: Okiba Reckoner Raid, swamp, funeral charm, vicious rumors
OTP you can't beat my indestructible 4/4, OTD you make me discard 2. WL

3. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Okiba reckoner raid, Snuff Out, Swamp
You can't beat my indestructible 4/4. WW

4. jfb1337: Academy Ruins, Simic Growth Chamber, Powder Keg, Courier's Briefcase
My 4/4 is indestructible, so Powder Keg does nothing to it, and getting a 1/1 every other turn is much too slow to race it. WW

5. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension
OTP I make you discard 2. OTD you play Luminarch Ascension, then I make you discard Energy Field, and I make my 4/4 and attack you before you can get 4 counters on Luminarch Ascension. WW

6. alphastryk: Mountain, Hammerheim, Raze, Devastating Summons
OTP my indestructible 4/4 wins the race whether you make 2 1/1s on turn 1 or 2 2/2s on turn 2. OTD you make 2 2/2s and get 4 damage in before my 4/4 is untapped, so I can't win the race and we stare. WD

8. Phasmoid: Razortide Bridge, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace
OTP I make you discard 2, OTD you can't win through my indestructible 4/4. WD

9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy
Path to Exile beats my 4/4, and you can just counter Forget. LL

10. maxx!: Mistvault Bridge, Island, Forget, Resculpt
Whoever goes first wins with Forget. WL

11. silkster: Blackcleave Cliffs, Strike It Rich, Devour Intellect, Okiba Reckoner Raid
OTP you make me discard Rise and Shine, and I make you discard Okiba Reckoner Raid. OTD you play Okiba Reckoner Raid and make me discard Rise and Shine before I can do anything. DL

11W 4D 5L = 37

I didn't have any great ideas, so I stole Rise and Shine from a few rounds ago and gave the 4/4 indestructible.

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Originally Posted by maxx!

maxx!: Mistvault Bridge, Island, Forget, Resculpt

2. dte: Okiba Reckoner Raid, swamp, funeral charm, vicious rumors
OTP I discard Forget to either of your discard spells and then make a 4/4 on turn 2, which should beat your other 2 cards. OTD you can make me discard twice before I can play anything. 3-3

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If you discard Forget to Vicious Rumors, then
Nezumi Road Captain ​ + ​ Funeral Charm
trades with your Elemental.

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Originally Posted by maxx!

Your 2/2s can't trade with Rooster's indestructible 4/4, so when Rooster is OTP, Mistvault Bridge gets the first attack in and you can't trade or race. When you're OTP you should be able to get an attack in while the 4/4 is tapped from casting Rise, so Rooster has to stay back. 1-4 for you?

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Good call, forgot the Bridge stays indestructible after it becomes a 4/4

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Originally Posted by Phasmoid

If you discard Forget to Vicious Rumors, then
Nezumi Road Captain ​ + ​ Funeral Charm
trades with your Elemental.

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Ah right. 1-4 for me then. Updating

Me: silkster: Blackcleave Cliffs, Strike It Rich, Devour Intellect, Okiba Reckoner Raid

1. Asthereal (TO): Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
I wondered if you would upgrade to anti-Raze tech.
WW

2. dte: Okiba Reckoner Raid, swamp, funeral charm, vicious rumors
Both your discard spells buy you one turn of race, and I can't stop both, even on the play.
DL

3. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Okiba reckoner raid, Snuff Out, Swamp
Menace goes past one another as our other cards are mostly irrelevant.
WL

4. jfb1337: Academy Ruins, Simic Growth Chamber, Powder Keg, Courier's Briefcase
I actually remembered that Academy Ruins existed just this week, but I thought it would lose to Raze. You had the foresight to see that enough people would Raze-proof themselves, so you didn't have to!
LL

5. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension
WW

6. alphastryk: Mountain, Hammerheim, Raze, Devastating Summons
We can both stop each other from doing both things, and your faster 1/1s against my 2/2 is just a draw every time.
DD

7. RoosterCocoa: Island, Mistvault Bridge, Rise and Shine, Forget
I'm always in time to defend myself and sometimes in time to make a threat too.
WD

8. Phasmoid: Razortide Bridge, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace
WW

9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy
Three things beats two things, but I can make a draw on the play.
DL

10. maxx!: Mistvault Bridge, Island, Forget, Resculpt
I'm curious how you chose Resculpt over Rise and Shine, though it certainly makes no difference here.
WD

9W, 6D, 7L = 33 points. I'd just like to point out that I scored the whole rainbow, with at least one match giving me 0, 1, 2, 3, 4, and 6 points. Oh, Phasmoid did too. Maybe it's more common than I thought.

Academy Ruins looks like an amazing meta call here against discard but no land hate. I even had Ruins+Powder Keg in my list, but I thought there would be enough hate that I didn't even bother to figure out what win condition I would have chosen. I had Tundra+Offer+Offer+Recruit in my list, but I correctly figured out that it's really bad. FTW's version seems much better.

When I was finding all the draws in my matches, it occurred to me that with enough draws it's possible to have no bans in a round. That would be very sad, and I'd suggest that we add a rule guaranteeing at least the top deck getting banned, but I also don't think that it will actually happen, so whatever.

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Originally Posted by FTW

Edit: After I majorly miscalculated the AngelPact matchup, my LD deck would have scored much better.

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Does your LD deck kill indestructible lands? I looked for those, but unsuccessfully. Colour me intrigued.

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Originally Posted by silkster

10. maxx!: Mistvault Bridge, Island, Forget, Resculpt
I'm curious how you chose Resculpt over Rise and Shine, though it certainly makes no difference here.

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Wasn't an intentional choice. I started with a Saprazzan Skerry deck with Forget and was looking for blue 2-mana cards that contained "token". I found Resculpt and considered playing it alongside something like Engineered Explosives or Tormod's Crypt. Then I realized Skerry was banned, but since I had a free slot I could just use an artifact land instead. The indestructible land was actually the last card I picked. I forgot that Rise and Shine existed (even though it was played a few rounds ago).

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Originally Posted by silkster

I had Tundra+Offer+Offer+Recruit in my list, but I correctly figured out that it's really bad. FTW's version seems much better.

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Double counter seemed really bad OTD. Even OTP Offer gives them more mana to play a 2nd thing while you're tapped out, so the 2nd Offer fails terribly. One of the cards needs to answer a resolved permanent.

I thought it would be cute scoring > 3.5 pts with Path to Exile in a "creatureless" format, but messed up the AngelPact matchup. I think Path to Exile + Piracy Charm/Funeral Charm + Recruit would have scored more overall. You and dte and Reeplcheep had the right idea to fight with discard instead of counters. I went with a counter to fight LD that did not show up.

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Originally Posted by silkster

Does your LD deck kill indestructible lands? I looked for those, but unsuccessfully. Colour me intrigued.

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Yes. I expected decks to metagame around Raze, but be weak to other LD (or just not play around LD because tech to beat Raze was spoiled). I was originally going to play that deck, but then I thought everyone else would (because it beats all the best surviving decks) so instead I went with a "3 things" deck with a counter to stop LD. But no one played it, and I missed that I was punting the AngelPact match. The other deck would have scored more.

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Originally Posted by alphastryk

6. alphastryk: Mountain, Hammerheim, Raze, Devastating Summons
Me, trying to get Hammerheim banned because it doesn't matter what text my second "Mountain" has.

9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy
OTP, the best I can do is make 2 1/1s, then attempt to Raze your land if you play it (you counter with Offer then Path one of my tokens and make your own 1/1 for the draw. OTD, I can't ever beat Offer. DL

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FTW has DD, and I think that's right. Raze forces out the counter, and then the two 1/1s trade with Path and Recruit. If FTW doesn't expose the land to Raze, you just make the two 1/1s instead.

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Originally Posted by silkster

FTW has DD, and I think that's right. Raze forces out the counter, and then the two 1/1s trade with Path and Recruit. If FTW doesn't expose the land to Raze, you just make the two 1/1s instead.

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This makes sense to me, updating the sheet.

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Originally Posted by alphastryk

This makes sense to me, updating the sheet.

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You also have DD against me, but I think you're WD. OTP you go for 2 2/2 and I can't beat that.

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Originally Posted by dte

You also have DD against me, but I think you're WD. OTP you go for 2 2/2 and I can't beat that.

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That makes sense to me, I got hung up on blowing up your swamp but I can just go land, pass, (discard Raze if you make me), 2nd land, 2/2s.

Updated in the sheet

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Originally Posted by FTW

9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy

6. alphastryk: You must sacrifice 1 land to Raze to force out my counter, then you Devastating Summons for 2 1/1s trading with my last 2 cards. DD 2-2

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Originally Posted by silkster

FTW has DD, and I think that's right. Raze forces out the counter, and then the two 1/1s trade with Path and Recruit. If FTW doesn't expose the land to Raze, you just make the two 1/1s instead.

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I get that this is actually in favor of alphastryk:
OTP, alphastryk Summons two ​ 1/1 s ​ before FTW can counter. ​ ​ ​ After that, FTW must do something to avoid losing to
those tokens, but that leaves FTW tapped out and unable to counter Raze. ​ ​ ​ After Raze, FTW loses to 2 vs 1 or 1 vs 0.

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Originally Posted by Phasmoid

I get that this is actually in favor of alphastryk:
OTP, alphastryk Summons two ​ 1/1 s ​ before FTW can counter. ​ ​ ​ After that, FTW must do something to avoid losing to
those tokens, but that leaves FTW tapped out and unable to counter Raze. ​ ​ ​ After Raze, FTW loses to 2 vs 1 or 1 vs 0.

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Ah, I saw scores of DD and DL, and I could see that alphastryk didn't lose, but forgot to check whether alphastryk actually wins instead. This look right to me. WD for alphastryk.

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Originally Posted by Phasmoid

I get that this is actually in favor of alphastryk:
OTP, alphastryk Summons two ​ 1/1 s ​ before FTW can counter. ​ ​ ​ After that, FTW must do something to avoid losing to
those tokens, but that leaves FTW tapped out and unable to counter Raze. ​ ​ ​ After Raze, FTW loses to 2 vs 1 or 1 vs 0.

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In this situation, can't FTW hold up Offer to counter Raze each turn, then on alphasryk's end step play Recruit the Worthy and PtE over the next two turns to draw?

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Originally Posted by RoosterCocoa

In this situation, can't FTW hold up Offer to counter Raze each turn, then on alphasryk's end step play Recruit the Worthy and PtE over the next two turns to draw?

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Yes, that's what I had happening. FTW's threat being an instant makes all the difference

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Originally Posted by RoosterCocoa

In this situation, can't FTW hold up Offer to counter Raze each turn, then on alphasryk's end step play Recruit the Worthy and PtE over the next two turns to draw?

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Originally Posted by alphastryk

Yes, that's what I had happening. FTW's threat being an instant makes all the difference

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Good point, so DD.

(though, I think FTW would still draw both even if _either_
Path to Exile ​ or ​ Recruit the Worthy
was a sorcery, rather than the _threat specifically_ needing to be an instant.)

2. dte: Okiba Reckoner Raid, swamp, funeral charm, vicious rumors
ME, playing a not very imaginative deck.


1. Asthereal (TO): Rustvale Bridge, Angel's Grace, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan
4-1.
4

3. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Okiba reckoner raid, Snuff Out, Swamp
6-0. I am good in the mirror.
10

4. jfb1337: Academy Ruins, Simic Growth Chamber, Powder Keg, Courier's Briefcase
0-6. Recursion>discard.
10

5. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension
6-0. Discard>field. I make you discard EoT, then at mine.
16

6. alphastryk: Mountain, Hammerheim, Raze, Devastating Summons
1-4. OTD, you discard Raze and beat me with 2 2-2.
17

7. RoosterCocoa: Island, Mistvault Bridge, Rise and Shine, Forget
3-3
20

8. Phasmoid: Razortide Bridge, Pact of the Titan, Pact of the Titan, Angel's Grace
4-1
24

9. FTW: Tundra, An Offer You Can't Refuse, Path to Exile, Recruit the Worthy
2-2
26

10. maxx!: Mistvault Bridge, Island, Forget, Resculpt
4-1
30

11. silkster: Blackcleave Cliffs, Strike It Rich, Devour Intellect, Okiba Reckoner Raid
4-1. I hesitated to play the exact same cards, particularly because it beats titans. but it was losing to some 2 lands, 2 threats decks. It seems choosing either did not matter so much ;)
34.

I'm late to reply, but yes, it should be DD 2-2 vs alphastryk.

I never have to tap lands before opponent's end step, so I can always hold up Offer for sorcery speed cards.

My threat had to be an instant to avoid draws in other matchups, so I can deploy a threat without tapping out of my counter. However instant speed threats (Pact) can wait for me to tap out for Recruit, so I can only draw those.

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Originally Posted by Phasmoid

Good point, so DD.

(though, I think FTW would still draw both even if _either_
Path to Exile ​ or ​ Recruit the Worthy
was a sorcery, rather than the _threat specifically_ needing to be an instant.)

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Yes, technically at least one of those spells needs to be an instant and it doesn't mater which. In my mind, answers are more commonly instants than threats are which is why that was my mental shortcut.

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Originally Posted by dte

2. dte: Okiba Reckoner Raid, swamp, funeral charm, vicious rumors
ME, playing a not very imaginative deck.

11. silkster: Blackcleave Cliffs, Strike It Rich, Devour Intellect, Okiba Reckoner Raid
4-1. I hesitated to play the exact same cards, particularly because it beats titans. but it was losing to some 2 lands, 2 threats decks. It seems choosing either did not matter so much ;)

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When I saw that I was losing to your deck, I wondered if I had just chosen the worse version of discard. After Gut Shot + Drill Bit did well enough, I hoped this would too, though I know that a weaker card pool often means less combo, so single discard might be worse. I'm amused to see how close our results are.

Apologies for the slow response from my end. I was at a festival this weekend.
I took a brief look at my scores, and they seem to align with what was reported, so here's standings for round 11:

1. jfb1337: 42 - 4,2
2. RoosterCocoa: 37 - 3,7
3. dte: 34 - 3,4
4. silkster: 33 - 3,3
5. FTW: 30 - 3
6. Reeplcheep: 29 - 2,9
7. GoblinSmashmaster: 24 - 2,4
8. maxx!: 20 - 2
9. alphastryk: 19 - 1,9
10. Asthereal (TO): 17 - 1,7
10. Phasmoid: 17 - 1,7

Which leads to these bannings:
Academy Ruins
An Offer You Can't Refuse
Blackcleave Cliffs
Courier's Briefcase
Devour Intellect
Forget
Funeral Charm
Mistvault Bridge
Okiba Reckoner Raid
Path to Exile
Powder Keg
Recruit the Worthy
Rise and Shine
Simic Growth Chamber
Strike It Rich
Tundra
Vicious Rumors

In the season standings not much changes, but jfb1337's impressive debut is notable. Well done!

ROUND 12 OF SEASON 12: VINTAGE CREATURELESS BANNATHON has started.

I have PM'ed myself my deck for round 12, so you can start sending me your decks.

DEADLINE: Wednesday the 22nd of June at 11:00AM Central European Time.
(That's my time zone. Pacific Time it'll probably be something like Tuesday night a bit past midnight, so keep that in mind.)

PLEASE NOTE:
The way you send your deck to me matters. Please send it in the way described below, so it doesn't cost me an hour of editing before I can post all the decks.
Please send your deck as follows: Mountain, Plains, Forest, Shivan Gorge.
So with card tags around each card, and not above eachother, and with your Username and 4CB S12R12 in the topic.
Don't forget to keep an eye on the banned list. You'll find it in the second post of the thread, or in our Google Spreadsheet.

After the deadline has passed, I will post all decks on the forum here, and you can start puzzling out your scores.
If you have any questions, please read the first two posts of this thread first. If you can't find the answer there, drop a message here. We'll answer a.s.a.p.

Happy deckbuilding! :smile:

Deadline has passed, and by the looks of it, I'm only missing FTW's entry.
I'll give you a bit more time while I do work stuff.

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Originally Posted by Asthereal

Deadline has passed, and by the looks of it, I'm only missing FTW's entry.
I'll give you a bit more time while I do work stuff.

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Sorry, forgot the day, submitting something now.
I kept checking the thread earlier but the round was never posted. Forgot to check yesterday.

I was at a festival, so no time to post earlier. But we're complete now, so let's go.

DECKS FOR ROUND 12 OF SEASON 12: Vintage Creatureless Bannathon

1. Asthereal (TO): Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension
2. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Illness in the ranks, Forbidden Orchard, Warlock Class
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Resculpt
4. silkster: Cave of the Frost Dragon, Fountain of Cho, March of Otherworldly Light, Feldon's Cane
5. dte: Plains, Khalni garden, Colossus hammer, Sigarda's aid
6. alphastryk: Leyline of Singularity, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Maze of Ith
7. jfb1337: Mercadian Bazaar, Forest, Reclaim, Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes
8. Phasmoid: Fountain of Cho, Fountain of Cho, Martial Coup, Finale of Glory
9. RoosterCocoa: Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth, Peat Bog, Engineered Explosives, Words of Wilding
10. maxx!: Copperline Gorge, Dunes of the Dead, Chatter of the Squirrel, Tremble
11. FTW: Breeding Pool, Piracy Charm, Dismember, Sprout

Please post your scores and cross-check with the opponents.
I'll create a tab for the round in our Google Spreadsheet, so you can enter your scores there as well: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...it?usp=sharing

11. FTW: Breeding Pool, Piracy Charm, Dismember, Sprout

With little time I just submitted a variation of my last deck. Again, I metagamed against the deck I wanted to play instead of playing it. I also picked Piracy Charm over a counter for AngelPact, which didn't even show up!

1. Asthereal (TO): If you play Energy Field first, Piracy Charm discards Luminarch (killing Field). If you play Luminarch first, Piracy Charm discards Energy Field and Sprout keeps counters off. WW 6-0
2. Reeplcheep: Neat combo. Piracy Charm alone can't disrupt this. LL 0-6
3. GoblinSmashmaster: If you play Energy Field, Piracy Charm discards Resculpt (killing Field). If you Resculpt first... I think your deck doesn't even work without Khalni Garden, but I can Dismember it. WW 6-0

4. silkster: Piracy Charm makes you discard March, then I beat down slowly with Sprout. If you crack Feldon's Cane to get back March, I can draw with Dismember on Cave, so you need to wait. By turn 7 you can block with Cave. I keep attacking, waiting for you to activate and block, then Dismember. Then you can crack Feldon, March the token before I've dealt much damage, then win with Cave. LL 0-6

5. dte: You need all 4 cards so Piracy Charm disrupts this. WW 6-0
6. alphastryk: You can discard Maze and beat me with Megaliths. LL 0-6
7. jfb1337: You can discard Reclaim and ignore my other cards. LL 0-6
8. Phasmoid: You can discard one spell and still race with the other. LL 0-6
9. RoosterCocoa: You can discard EE and win. LL 0-6
10. maxx!: I'm hilariously bad at interacting with this. DL 1-4

19 points (6 wins, 13 loss, 1 draw)

Ironically the deck I metagamed against would have scored 41 points here. Should have just played that.

1. Asthereal (TO): Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension
3-3. OTP I kill you before you land energy field.

2. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Illness in the ranks, Forbidden Orchard, Warlock Class
0-6, die of illness.
3

3. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Resculpt
4-1
7

4. silkster: Cave of the Frost Dragon, Fountain of Cho, March of Otherworldly Light, Feldon's Cane
0-6. march kills me!
7

5. dte: Plains, Khalni garden, Colossus hammer, Sigarda's aid
Me, thinking pact and raze were the 2 DtB. Being quite wrong about it. Here I kill T3 and do not care about LD.

6. alphastryk: Leyline of Singularity, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Maze of Ith
0-6. Maze alone beats me. Interesting the leyline vs multiple tokens, an elegant way to handle pact combo, were it played.
7

7. jfb1337: Mercadian Bazaar, Forest, Reclaim, Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes
6-0, being fast.
13

8. Phasmoid: Fountain of Cho, Fountain of Cho, Martial Coup, Finale of Glory
6-0, being fast.
19

9. RoosterCocoa: Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth, Peat Bog, Engineered Explosives, Words of Wilding
0-6, EE
19

10. maxx!: Copperline Gorge, Dunes of the Dead, Chatter of the Squirrel, Tremble
6-0. I also had a quite similar deck I hesitated with. I should have taken it rather than hammer!
25

11. FTW: Breeding Pool, Piracy Charm, Dismember, Sprout
0-6, piracy charm.
25

Ouch ;)

7. jfb1337: Mercadian Bazaar, Forest, Reclaim, Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes
My first deck idea ended up being illegal; so I went back to an older idea I had without having a lot of time to test it. Lets see how it goes:

1. Asthereal (TO): Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension
Can't beat energy field; LL
2. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Illness in the ranks, Forbidden Orchard, Warlock Class
Nice deck; can't stick my 1/1; LL
3. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Resculpt
When you play your rescult it goes to the grave and you lose your energy field. Doesn't look like this deck works the way you want. If you play resculpt then my walker beats your 4/4, but if I don't then I can't get through the energy field. DD.
4. silkster: Cave of the Frost Dragon, Fountain of Cho, March of Otherworldly Light, Feldon's Cane
You can't exile my walker and can't attack it often enough to pressure it. Attacking me is too slow. WW.
5. dte: Plains, Khalni garden, Colossus hammer, Sigarda's aid
Way faster clock than anything I can deal with. LL.
6. alphastryk: Leyline of Singularity, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Maze of Ith
Megaliths kills boo every turn. DD.
8. Phasmoid: Fountain of Cho, Fountain of Cho, Martial Coup, Finale of Glory
Maths below. I think it's WL
9. RoosterCocoa: Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth, Peat Bog, Engineered Explosives, Words of Wilding
Maths below. I think it's LL
10. maxx!: Copperline Gorge, Dunes of the Dead, Chatter of the Squirrel, Tremble
OTP I reclaim my forest when you tremble, I still get my walker down on t5 which beats your board. OTD I play the forest first and get my walker down by t6 which still beats your board. WW.
11. FTW: Breeding Pool, Piracy Charm, Dismember, Sprout
I discard reclaim to charm, then my walker wins. WW

vs Phasmoid:
OTP:
t1: bazar0, fountain0
t2: baz1, forest ; fount1, fount0
t3: baz2; fount2, fount1
t4: baz3; fount3, fount2
t5: baz0, minsc4, boo4, atk4 to 16; fount4, fount3 [if finale for 3, i can hold back to block for a turn and you can't kill minsc]
t6: baz1, minsc5, boo7, atk7 to 9; fount0, fount0, finale for 5 [if coup, can't pressure minsc; if nothing then lose immediately]
t7: baz2, minsc6, boo10, atk10. However you block you die in at most 2 turns. [0: die now. 1-2: go to 4, can't block next atk. 3-4: can't kill minsc, sacs boo for 10dmg next turn. 5: trades all with boo but leaves minsc around; next 2 turns are atk4 and atk7]
OTD:
t1: fount0; baz0
t2: fount1 fount0; baz1 forest
t3: fount2 fount1; baz2
t4: fount3 fount2; baz3
t5: fount0 fount0 finale for 3; baz 0, minsc4 boo4
t6: fount1 fount1 atk minsc to death, block with boo; baz 1 reclaim minsc
t7: fount2 fount2; baz2
t8: fount3 fount3; baz3
t9: fount4 fount4; baz0 minsc4 boo7
t10: atk minsc to 2, coup for 8; minsc3 boo4
t11: atk minsc to 0 and me to 15 (one blocked 7 left); if i atk i lose the race so i block
t12: atk to 9 (one blocked 6 left); pass
t13: atk to 4 (one blocked 5 left); I can't beat that
There are a few tricky combat decision points so I'm not 100% certain but I think this is WL

vs RoosterCocoa:
OTP:
t1: baz0; bog, EE0
t2: baz1, forest; words
t3: baz2; token
t4: baz3; 2 tokens, atk2 to 18
t5: baz0, minsc4, boo4; 3 tokens
t6: baz1, minsc5, boo7, atk 13; atk minsc to 0, use EE
t7: baz2, reclaim minsc; 1 token
t9: baz3; 2 tokens, atk2 to 18
t10: minsc4, boo4; 3 tokens
t11: minsc5, boo7, atk to 6; 4 tokens, atk minsc to 0 [otherwise sac boo kills]
t12: atk7, must block with 1 token and go to 1; 4 tokens, enough to block boo forever and generate the tokens to atk around it
OTD i'm slower.


7W4D = 25 points overall.

Edit: Fix alphastryk matchup; missed that megaliths hits creatures.
Edit2: Fix GoblinSmashmaster matchup; forgot they can just sit behind field forever

2. Reeplcheep: Cry of Contrition, Illness in the ranks, Forbidden Orchard, Warlock Class
Since we really scraped the bottom of the barrel discard spells last round, I hope people didn’t see this coming. I make you discard a card t1 and then t2 when the spirit dies. If that won’t work I can just jam illness t1 and hope you can’t beat that in a creature less format.

1. Asthereal (TO): Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Luminarch Ascension
I make you discard 2x before you can cast ascension. WW 6-0

3. GoblinSmashmaster: Razortide Bridge, Razortide Bridge, Energy Field, Resculpt
I make you discard 2x before you can cast resculpt. WW 6-0

4. silkster: Cave of the Frost Dragon, Fountain of Cho, March of Otherworldly Light, Feldon's Cane
Non token creatures and discard hate. I lose hard. LL 0-6

5. dte: Plains, Khalni garden, Colossus hammer, Sigarda's aid
You can’t beat illness. WW 6-0

6. alphastryk: Leyline of Singularity, Keldon Megaliths, Izzet Boilerworks, Maze of Ith
21 turn clock vs 24? turn clock. I win the (snail’s) race. WW 6-0

7. jfb1337: Mercadian Bazaar, Forest, Reclaim, Minsc & Boo, Timeless Heroes
I make you discard two before you can cast reclaim. Also you can’t beat illness. WW 6-0

8. Phasmoid: Fountain of Cho, Fountain of Cho, Martial Coup, Finale of Glory
I make you discard 2 before you can do anything. WW 6-0
you can win with 2 cards. LL 0-6

9. RoosterCocoa: Yavimaya, Cradle of Growth, Peat Bog, Engineered Explosives, Words of Wilding
Either of your spells are really bad for me. OTP I make you discard 2. OTD words beats me with 1/1s. WL 3-3
Edit: you can draw with only 2 cards DL 1-4

10. maxx!: Copperline Gorge, Dunes of the Dead, Chatter of the Squirrel, Tremble
OTP I can make you discard 2 before you cast tremble. OTD I can wait until you cast chatter and then I can force you to discard one of tremble or dunes for the win. So you can’t act first. WD 4-1
WL per below.

11. FTW: Breeding Pool, Piracy Charm, Dismember, Sprout
You can’t beat illness. I keep cry for your piracy charm and just play illness warlock for the 21 turn clock. WW 6-0

My best performance. 13 W 1D 6 L 48/60 40/60