[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

Abyss just doubled its value. What is going on? Even Italians are going.

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Originally Posted by raudo

Abyss just doubled its value. What is going on? Even Italians are going.

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I fomo'd and picked one up while I still could. Fuck this market

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Originally Posted by H

At least Transmute Artifact is a "somewhat" unique, playable card.

Lifeblood is pretty terrible, especially since Sanctimony exists. Who would spend even $4 on that?

At least, again, Elephant Graveyard and Shahrazad (which also spiked recently) make some sense.

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Shahrazad doesnt make much sense. It's banned in every format and carries significantly less sentimental value than juzam djinn

I feel like eventually these cards are just going to be "collectors" and people will get priced out of the game. The mtg economy will crash soon (within 5 years).

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Originally Posted by apple713

Shahrazad doesnt make much sense. It's banned in every format and carries significantly less sentimental value than juzam djinn

I feel like eventually these cards are just going to be "collectors" and people will get priced out of the game. The mtg economy will crash soon (within 5 years).

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It won't crash but it will become illiquid. Frontier and modern will take over.

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Originally Posted by bruizar

It won't crash but it will become illiquid. Frontier and modern will take over.

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Hah! Frontier is still a thing? :rolleyes:

I agree though, it won't crash (The Abyss doesn't see a whole lot of play...) but will simply be a collector's item that'll be more difficult to buy or sell.

Price spikes on even shitty cards will retain 50-75% of the spike. PNodes will settle about $5-7.

Shared Animosity - https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Mo...nimosity#paper

This is one that Quiet Speculation 100% conjured out of nothing. When I was a 1-month trial user, I posted my speculation of why it would be good with slivers, and QS sent out my comments as their own for the price spike email blast. Card went from $0.50 to $5, then clung to about $4. I'm sure they've repeatedly hyped the card over and over since it spiked to $10->$6, then for some reason it just spiked to $23 today.

Must be that kobold deck....

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Originally Posted by bruizar

I fomo'd and picked one up while I still could. Fuck this market

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MCM has only 4 Engilsh and 6 Italos left. Couple of weeks ago there were hundred.

Usually Nether Void does next what the Abyss first so maybe it is time to pick them up now..

With Old School 93/94 being so popular, do you guys think there will ever be an "old border only" format? Basically the opposite of Modern. Which decks would be Tier 1?

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Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew

Hah! Frontier is still a thing? :rolleyes:

I agree though, it won't crash (The Abyss doesn't see a whole lot of play...) but will simply be a collector's item that'll be more difficult to buy or sell.

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Buy yes, but not sell. A person looking to sell cards can price them at whatever they want. You put an expensive and rare card at 70% its 'value' on eBay and that thing is as good as sold.

I still can't believe I bought a whole playset of MMA Chalice of the Void for $20 just a few years ago.

And I bought several City of Traitors for $30-$60 a pop a few years ago, too.

I thought they'd never go much higher than that...

So all the Reserved List foil cards are basically spiking 1000%?

I should have invested in foil Grim Monoliths!

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Originally Posted by keys

With Old School 93/94 being so popular, do you guys think there will ever be an "old border only" format? Basically the opposite of Modern. Which decks would be Tier 1?

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No because new cards never enter the format.

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Originally Posted by MGB

So all the Reserved List foil cards are basically spiking 1000%?

I should have invested in foil Grim Monoliths!

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They've already fallen again by about 50%, but these cards will always be susceptible to buyouts and spikes since circulation is so small.

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Originally Posted by apple713

No because new cards never enter the format.

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Right. It's basically "Old School Extended".

Point is they will never fall back to the original price, so they already made a profit with the buyout.

They won't have made a profit until they've actually sold whatever they bought.

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Originally Posted by Echelon

They won't have made a profit until they've actually sold whatever they bought.

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Yes! The number of people that do not understand this concept is staggering.

But eventually they will sell everything.. at higher price than buying it.. and that's profit. Even if they won't sell it for 1000$, they might end up selling the foil monoliths for 300$.. if they bought them for 200$ or less a piece that's still pretty good margin..

Do you understand this concept?

It's profit once they've sold everything at a higher price than which they bought it for. Until then they just bought a bunch of cards and that's it. Good luck paying your bills by sending companies foil Grim Monoliths... And would you accept a stack of Squires as change?

I also understand that prices like these can create a bubble, which can pop.

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Originally Posted by Echelon

It's profit once they've sold everything at a higher price than which they bought it for. Until then they just bought a bunch of cards and that's it. Good luck paying your bills by sending companies foil Grim Monoliths... And would you accept a stack of Squires as change?

I also understand that prices like these can create a bubble, which can pop.

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What you described is a healthy market moderated by supply and demand. If leveraged buyouts ever become a thing then we might have a bubble on our hands. But MTG cards still aren't liquid enough to enable this.

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Originally Posted by Echelon

It's profit once they've sold everything at a higher price than which they bought it for. Until then they just bought a bunch of cards and that's it. Good luck paying your bills by sending companies foil Grim Monoliths... And would you accept a stack of Squires as change?

I also understand that prices like these can create a bubble, which can pop.

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Well, ofcourse.. it's an investment. You don't invest the money you need to pay for your everyday bills ;) you invest because you can.

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Originally Posted by Mr Miagi

Well, ofcourse.. it's an investment. You don't invest the money you need to pay for your everyday bills ;) you invest because you can.

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I agree w/ all of this :smile:

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Originally Posted by Echelon

It's profit once they've sold everything at a higher price than which they bought it for.

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I'm not sure if this is really what you meant to convey, but that's not true though. There is no need to sell everything, especially if you've successfully pushed the price up.

For example:

Buy ten copies of X at $1 each. Total expenditure: $10.

Sell one copy of X at $11. Total income ($11) - Total expenditure ($10) = Total profit: $1.

You could literally eat the other nine at that point and still have a profit. Of course the margin is shit and you'd have one dollar for your time, but that isn't the point, you still made a dollar without moving the rest of the items. There is no need to divest the whole inventory to generate a profit. Obviously if you can only sell X at $5 the equation is different, but still, you would not need to move every copy in order to generate a profit.

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Originally Posted by Mr Miagi

Well, ofcourse.. it's an investment. You don't invest the money you need to pay for your everyday bills ;) you invest because you can.

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The "investment" mentality does very little to bolster the health of the game and this fornat in particular. Not calling out Mr. Miagi specifically, just using his words to express a feeling I have about the community at large.

Yea, I definitely feel investing in MTG is ruining the game, and I refuse to do it on some sort of moral basis. But damn, these buyouts and shit are really testing my morals.

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Originally Posted by kirkusjones

The "investment" mentality does very little to bolster the health of the game and this fornat in particular. Not calling out Mr. Miagi specifically, just using his words to express a feeling I have about the community at large.

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Agree completely, don't like it either, but... it is what it is :/

What we are seeing is a shift in what was the floor of reserved list cards.

The method of people using buyouts to achieve this can be debated - but I higher floor for reserved list cards was inevitable as the game increased in popularity, and people who grew up with the game had more money to spend.

Yawg's Bargain just spiked to 20$.

I guess the speculators will make mad profit off those 13 Vintage players across the globe who didn't have a few around. :laugh:

I just wonder who are all the suckers buying at those prices. Probably the sucker speculators that got in too late

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It makes no sense that you can trade a Mox to yourself for four copies of Old Man of the Sea or other carbage.

So there are two possible scenarios:

1) The price spike will come back to normal
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2) The price of actually good cards (Moxes, Abyss, Moat, Nether Void, Library, Tabernacle) will rise soon to the level you cant credit in carbage to get these.

Any idea why judge flusterstorm spiked?

Peter

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Originally Posted by pjetr0

Any idea why judge flusterstorm spiked?

Peter

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Not sure what you mean. Foils are actually less than twice the cost of non-foils.

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Originally Posted by H

Not sure what you mean. Foils are actually less than twice the cost of non-foils.

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Cheapest copies on Magiccardmarket are currently 219.5 euros. They were less than 100 euro a couple of weeks ago. For reference, the non foils are about 65 euro.

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Originally Posted by Nihilis

Cheapest copies on Magiccardmarket are currently 219.5 euros. They were less than 100 euro a couple of weeks ago. For reference, the non foils are about 65 euro.

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I didn't look at the European markets. TCGPlayer still had some foils at about $150 dollars and nonfoils at about $80.

It isn't likely to reprinted any time soon and is a pretty good card, so it's not really surprising.

I just can't believe these fools bought out Stangg

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Originally Posted by hymnyou

I just can't believe these fools bought out Stangg

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They're coming for Wordmail next!

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Originally Posted by H

It isn't likely to reprinted any time soon and is a pretty good card, so it's not really surprising.

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Surely Flusterstorm could get reprinted in any new set, masters edition, or commander deck? And then the price is going to tank. Also there are tons of cards with similar effects (Spell Pierce, Mindbreak Trap, Pyroblast, etc.). I just don't get it...

I sold 2 Judge Foils and bought reserved list and Old School cards instead.

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Originally Posted by keys

Surely Flusterstorm could get reprinted in any new set, masters edition, or commander deck? And then the price is going to tank. Also there are tons of cards with similar effects (Spell Pierce, Mindbreak Trap, Pyroblast, etc.). I just don't get it...

I sold 2 Judge Foils and bought reserved list and Old School cards instead.

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Could? As in, "it isn't on the Reserve List?" Well, of course. It could be reprinted the same as Tendril of Agony can be printing in any Standard legal set. But the chances that they print a Storm card in a Standard set seems very, very low to me. If they do another Eternal Masters set, sure. Or another Commander deck, but that seem unlikely as well, since it would spike the value of that box in relation to the others which causes supply problems (Wizards has been trying to avoid this).

So, an Eternal Masters reprint seems like it's most likely home and we have no visibility that one is coming any time soon. So, is it possible? Of course, but not probable that it will be within the next year, or even a little longer.

Well Horizon Canopy is in Iconic Masters.
So if that's iconic, then Flusterstorm could be too.

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Originally Posted by H

Could? As in, "it isn't on the Reserve List?" Well, of course. It could be reprinted the same as Tendril of Agony can be printing in any Standard legal set. But the chances that they print a Storm card in a Standard set seems very, very low to me. If they do another Eternal Masters set, sure. Or another Commander deck, but that seem unlikely as well, since it would spike the value of that box in relation to the others which causes supply problems (Wizards has been trying to avoid this).

So, an Eternal Masters reprint seems like it's most likely home and we have no visibility that one is coming any time soon. So, is it possible? Of course, but not probable that it will be within the next year, or even a little longer.

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What about Modern Masters (storm is a thing), Conspiracy-style sets, FTV, etc... There are more ways they could reprint it even outside of Eternal Masters and Commander, which are both obvious to me.

Anyway, it appears that TCG Player still has NM copies for $130. It's really just an EU buyout.

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Originally Posted by PirateKing

Well Horizon Canopy is in Iconic Masters.
So if that's iconic, then Flusterstorm could be too.

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This, as well.

Edit: Mana Drain at Mythic :O