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Originally Posted by pfiremc13
I guess needles could still be ok because you often board out deeds in the matchups where you'd board in the needles.
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Originally Posted by pfiremc13
I guess needles could still be ok because you often board out deeds in the matchups where you'd board in the needles.
Decks that you board needles in for have removal and definitely aren't boarding it out. Needle doesn't die to STP.
Good point.
Another point I'd like to make is that Pithing Needle and Phyrexian Revoker both do different yet similar things.
Revoker can stop Lion's Eye Diamond and Heritage Druid.
Pithing Needle can stop Wasteland and Thespian Stage.
Both overlap a lot in terms of what they can or cannot stop, but its the few differences make both relevant in certain matchups.
This is true. Revoker is better vs combo. I think I like needle though as it is more for the control match up.
Agreed: which is why I run 1 of each in the board. ^_^
In what combo matchups would you actually side in revoker though?
Elves! (stops manadorks), Sneak and Show (stops Griselbrand and Sneak Attack; overlaps with Pithing Needle in this case), and anything with artifact mana (notably Lion's Eye Diamond), I-Painter (stops Grindstone and Welder; again overlaps with Needle here).Quote:
Originally Posted by pfiremc13
Pithing Needle I'd maybe bring it in against Burn (Barbarian Ring), Dredge (Cephalid Coliseum), and definitely Lands.
I would bring in a card just to fight one other card unless the card I was fighting was central to the deck.
Otherwise I agree.
Yeah: I hear ya on your first point. Actually thinking of replacing the one Needle with another Revoker as, shockingly enough, I forgot the Jace 2.0 in my list can just bounce away the Marit Lage token.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfiremc13
How often is your opponent dumb enough to main phase his combo though? Seems meh. I personally think I will be on a maelstrom pulse this upcoming week in the board, not only as a walker killer, but I also struggled vs Tombstalker.
True ... honestly though that's a bit of dilemma I'm facing. Phyrexian Revoker is ultimately better against other forms of combo, but the existence of Stage Depths in Lands makes this a tricky swap.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Blargh! Maybe this could work?
3x Carpet of Flowers
1x Melira, Sylvok Outcast
2x Glen Elendra Archmage
3x Thoughtseize
3x Surgical Extraction
2x Phyrexian Revoker
1x Pithing Needle
I think that lands is small enough percentage of the meta that you honestly just not even care about the deck.
Played in my LGS's Monthly this afternoon, going 2-2 drop. I want to focus on sideboarding since I really struggled a bunch. My deckliist is pretty standard for BUG Pod, though I maindeck the third Deed because I play in the most Goblin-infested metas around.
Round 1 against Doomsday ANT: 1-2.
In: 4 Force of Will, 2 Envelop, 3 Riptide Pilferer, 1 Glen Elendra Archmage.
Out: 3 Pernicious Deed, 1 Sower of Temptation, 1 Kitchen Finks, 1 Grave Titan, 1 Veteran Explorer, 1 Murderous Redcap, 1 Baleful Strix, 1 Shriekmaw
Round 2 against Goblins: 0-2
In: 1 Abrupt Decay, 1 Golgari Charm, 1 Fleshbag Marauder, 1 Oona, Queen of the Fae
Out: 1 Glen Elendra Archmage, 1 Eternal Witness, 1 Veteran Explorer, 1 Cabal Therapy
Round 3 against DnT: 2-0
In: 1 Abrupt Decay, 1 Golgari Charm, 1 Fleshbag Marauder, 1 Acidic Slime
Out: 1 Glen Elendra Archmage, 1 Eternal Witness, 1 Veteran Explorer, 1 Cabal Therapy
Round 4 against Elves: 2-1
In: 1 Abrupt Decay, 1 Golgari Charm, 1 Fleshbag Marauder, 2 Envelop, 1 Glen Elendra Archmage
Out: 1 Sower of Temptation, 1 Veteran Explorer, 1 Eternal Witness, 2 Baleful Strix
Overall my big struggle was figuring out what to take out without messing with the Pod chaining too much. The biggest surprise to me was getting clobbered by Goblins. He just recovered from Deed way better than I did, and Chieftan's really messes with math. I really liked Uktabi Orangutan maindeck, and I also wish there was a way to fit another Golgari Charm in the 75.
How would you guys have sideboarded my matchups?
Testing today. Went to a store with a less developed meta so it was full of shitty budget combo decks. I did pretty well, even though it was against like belcher and high tide. I am actually liking the needle idea
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Originally Posted by civet five
When I am boarding out creatures I'll often board out 1 pod and 1 recurring nightmare, since you have fewer ways to make it good and you're kind of playing a different type of game vs. combo decks.
Goblins actually seems like a rough matchup. I haven't ever played vs it but the card advantage they have plus the high casting costs making deed and decay somewhat ineffective seems scary. I'd probably leave in the therapy though since your best bet is probably to hit the high impact spells (warchief/ringleader/matron/seige-gang) before they get a chance to play them off the lands from veteran explorer.
Goblins has always been a rough match up. If your meta has allot of goblins I suggest engineered plague
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Originally Posted by civet five
Regarding sideboarding vs goblins. I agree on leaving Therapy in. Goblin Ringleader is what gives them the ability to recover after a Deed, so I'd agree on not boarding Therapy out and using the second naming of Cabal Therapy to hit Ringleader just before the opponent reaches 4 lands or 4 counters on an Aether Vial to increase chances of hitting one. Giving them lands off Explorer also seems like a questionable solution [edit: I meant to say it's a daring play] unless possibly if you've gotten rid of Ringleader already, so boarding one Explorer out seems right.Quote:
Originally Posted by GtF
I'd leave Fleshbag Marauder in the sideboard and keep Eternal Witness in the main. Using Eternal Witness to reuse Abrupt Decay or Pernicous Deed is good. Having the opponent sacrifice a creature of his/her choice is rather useless, they will often have lots of tokens or small expendable creatures available.
It seems very likely that Sower of Temptation will get killed by a cycled Gempalm Incinerator so it may not be worth a 4 mana investment. Not sure about Oona. Oona's ability is neutralized by Goblin Sharpshooter and she is bounced by Karakas (sometimes played in a white splash?). Grave Titan seems like a better pod target. I think I would board in Acidic Slime instead, to get rid of Vial (or a boarded Rest in Peace/Grafdigger's Cage) in order to prevent swarming and to possibly shut them off lands with Recurring Nightmare once Deed has cleared the board.
So, to conclude I'd probably board like this:
In: 1 Abrupt Decay, 1 Golgari Charm, 1 Acidic Slime
Out: 1 Glen Elendra Archmage, 1 Veteran Explorer, 1 Sower of Temptation
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Was like, I'll pick up a set! 20 dollars each? I'll pick up some shock lands...Quote:
Originally Posted by MrIggins
Ohhhh....4 color walker nic fit list on color.
Against...omni-tell. ew.
Was it bad?Quote:
Originally Posted by jbone2016
Yeah. I think Omni-tell went off turn 2 or 3 game 1. Then had a leyline game 2 and went off on turn 2 or 3 or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Hey Nic Fit Players,
i tested a lot with Tao’s Punishing Build and made a few personal adjustments:
Main:
+1 Deathrite
+1 Pulse
+1 A.Decay
-1 Punishing Fire
-1 Deed
-1 Sensei’s
Latest Change was -1 Punishing and +1 Decay (from Sideboard), mainly because I want one more uncounterable Removal against Tempo Decks (Bladedecks on the rise), to also gain advantage over Equipment’s and other stuff. Fire is a good engine, but you don’t need it in the early turns (with more decay, fetch for Swamp + Forest is solid against Wastelands).
I also thought about -1 Huntmaster and +1 Wickerbought Elder (Miracle with Moat, Sneak Attack, Batterskull), but decided to keep both Huntmaster for now because I really like the creature and double access is sometimes “GG”. My Mainboard Maelstrom Pulse fulfill the same task, sadly not tutorable but also a creature/token swarm removal and only cost 3cc instead of 4-6 Mana for Wickerbought (4+Zenith+Activate).
Side:
2 Pithing Needle
2 Slaughter Games
4 Red Blast
1 Thoughtseize
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Garruk Relentless
2 Golgari Charm
Pithing Needle was the latest improvement. It helps against some fast combo decks, Sneak Attack and Walkers. The 2nd Deathrite is a Test slot (Sylvan Ranger), it should also be a ramp option but offers additional help vs. (Grave)Combo. Without Sylvan you lose an option vs Miracle and Death & Taxes (the Basic Land Fraction), but this is also a reason to include needle to tweak these matchups if needed.
Works good so far, next tournaments include the option for some GP Paris Byes so I will try my best.
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EDIT:
Some weird Stuff from BNG:
1RG
creature-Centaur and warrior
Trample
Tribute 1
when fanatic of Xenagos comes into play, if the tribute cost wasn't paid, fanatic of Xenagos gets +1/+1 and haste until end of turn
3/3
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/attac...5&d=1389692260
3 Mana for a "4/4" Trample or a 3/3 Trample with Haste and +1 Pump? Not so bad for a uncommon Creature.
Not for nic fit I don't think.
Sure it isn't a viable choice, but it is funny that this guy is the first card from BNG i like. Solid design for an uncommon and "hey" a better green dude than any "tribut into 12/12 without evasion" stuff... hopefully we get a new toy with our 2-3 color "splash" nic fit decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by pfiremc13
I wish the devotion guys didn't need so much devotion to become active. Maybe golgari God will be playable.
Depends on its other abilities I guess. Those can be good.
Pop Quiz: Which is better given the current meta main-deck: Maelstrom Pulse, Toxic Deluge, or Golgari Charm?
EDIT: Not really a quiz, just wanting to see what other Nic-Fit-Players thought.
Probably pulse. Killing walkers seems good. Also hits equipment and such. I don't mind deluge either. I'm running one in my boardQuote:
Originally Posted by EpicLevelCommoner
I'm running a Golgari Charm in my board, and also want to find room for a Pulse since Jace can give you fits. Toxic Deluge feels redundant with all of the Deeds we run, but it would have saved me against Goblins, so I won't immediately dismiss it.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpicLevelCommoner
I think that at the point we're looking at Toxic Deluge, we might as well consider Damnation. I don't think its better per se, but at the point that we're looking for sweepers that aren't Deed, Damnation fits the bill pretty well.
Maelstrom Pulse is the only correct answer.Quote:
Originally Posted by EpicLevelCommoner
Why?Quote:
Originally Posted by RaNDoMxGeSTuReS
I actually am running all 3 in my board. Deluge is probably overkill, I just don't know what else to play. Pulse I board more for jace match ups. Charm is just an all star for those damn true name/death and taxes decks
Also, tested vs various combo decks and the board was pretty solid vs them even without force of will. After board I have 4 Therapy, 3 Thoughtseize, 3 Swan Song, and Glen Elendra. Which Glen Elendra plus the recurring nightmare that I already run is a very solid combo to hardlock opponents out of the game. Not sure if I want negate or not. It can be flexible and not only come in for the combo decks, but I could also board them in vs decks with Walkers.
Hey, quick question. All of the newer decklists I've been seeing are either splashing red for a scapeshift/punishing fire plan or blue for brainstorm/strix/other goodies. Are the white splashes for Academy Rector/Sun Titan a thing of the past?
Went 2-2. much salty about losing to shardless BUG featuring a billion basic lands. I was able to beat Sneak and Show. Swan Song was awesome at countering stuff. At one point in game 3 he emrakul'd me, but i was able to keep a pod, glen elendra and DRS and won. felt great. I lost to Jund Depths as well. G1 he got PFire going and then Depths me on turn like 5. G2 I won through ginding and hitting two liliana's and a deed with therapy. G3 I lost to him having infinite liliana's. Beat UB Dreadnought. It was slaughter. Then Lost to shardless BUG with many many basics, counterbalance, top, and lots of planeswalkers. I Therapy his hand, but he had BS'd back a Shardless Agent into Hymn and rape my hand. With 2 DRS I cast Recurring Nightmare and he blind flips maelstrom pulse to counter it, then pulses my Shamans. I've never wanted to punch a baby more in my life.
I don't view GEA as a replacement for Fow, because she needs 4+1 mana to come online and discard isn't enough to stop from dying before that happens. I'm considering upping my total to 3 or 4 at the expense of Pilferer, but I don't have enough games with Pilferer to be able to say if that's correct.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
I really enjoy the Junk variations but they have horrible game to Combo (if you look on the The Council, there's a Junk Fit that did well recently but has like 14 SB slots to discard and GY hate). If you have confidence that your meta is a lot of fair decks and grindy control types, I think Junk has good game because Rector helps you find Recurring Nightmare of Recylcle quickly, and its pretty darn satisfying to play with Baneslayer Angel in Legacy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jaredar
I'm currently testing a G/B/W version with heavy emphasis on walkers. Also starring: Academy Rector
So far testing looks promising. The deck is so much fun to play.
Nothing is better than using the ultimate of planeswalkers right away via Doubling Season.
Garruk Primal Hunter is awesome with DS in play. So is Sorin and Vraska.
The planeswalkers are pretty strong on their own, of course.
Vraksa has a vuilt in Pulse and wincon, Sorin and the Garruks create tokens to protect themselfs and Sorin's ultimate is pretty nuts, too.
Lingering Souls (and Deranged Hermit) create a nice wall to protect the walkers, especially vs flipped Delvers.
SB contains some enchantment-silverbullets plus a good amount of combohate.
I wish I had more space MD to fit in a Kitchen Finks, Thrun or Sigarda but dont wanna cut anything right know.
I hope I can bring this to our next local tourney.
4 Veteran Explorer
2 Deathrite Shaman
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Eternal Witness
1 Thragtusk
1 Deranged Hermit
2 Academy Rector
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Doubling Season
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Vraska the Unseen
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
1 Garruk Relentless
2 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
2 Liliana of the Veil
3 Sensei's Divining Top
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Diabolic Intent
2 Lingering Souls
3 Green Sun's Zenith
21 Lands
SB:
1 Gaddock Teeg
3 Leyline of Sanctity
3 Thoughtseize
1 Toxic Deluge
1 Faith's Fetters
1 Curse of Death's Hold
1 Dueling Grounds
1 Humility
Of course GEA isn't a replacement for FOW. She is the top end that if she resolves it becomes very very difficult for them to win. Swan Song is my cheap counter spell, and Therapy plus TS help me get to the later game. Also I p[layed a Singleton Negate last night out of the board, and despite me only getting to use it once, on a blood moon vs SNS, there were times that it was in my hand and it would've been good had I had blue mana. May actually bump Negate up to a 2 of and probably drop like Aetherling.Quote:
Originally Posted by civet five
I used to play a similar list and, humility should be in main and why no Elspeth's? They fit much better in the deck than vraska IMOQuote:
Originally Posted by strom