Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
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Originally Posted by
Acclimation
New hotness:
1 Bayou
4 Marsh Flats
4 Polluted Delta
1 Swamp
3 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
4 Brainstorm
3 Cabal Ritual
2 Collective Brutality
2 Corpse Dance
4 Dark Ritual
2 Mastermind's Acquisition
4 Entomb
4 Griselbrand
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
2 Magus of the Mind
1 Past in Flames
3 Ponder
4 Shallow Grave
3 Thoughtseize
Sideboard:
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Bayou
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Echoing Truth
1 Empty the Warrens
2 Silent Gravestone
1 Massacre
2 Pithing Needle
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Collective Brutality
Ended up going to FNM tonight and played the above list (only the bayous and badlands were their shockland counterparts because I am a poor), and 3-0d versus UR Delver, Burn, and UW stoneblade.
Highlights:
Rd 1 vs UR Delver: 2-0, game one flipped magus for 14 and had enough mana to wish for Emrakul and cast Emrakul, but opponent scooped when I grabbed the Emrakul
Rd 2 vs Burn: store has a stream, so I flipped magus for 14 on camera in g3
Rd 3 vs stoneblade: on stream again, game 1 I bricked on reanimation so I chained rituals into entomb into past in flames, flashed back cantrips to find reanimation for magus x=13. game 3 I beat double flusterstorm+surgical on griselbrand on t3.
Deck is siiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiick.
Where is this footage you speak of?
I am getting back into Legacy and I need to be sold on a deck :P
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
Oh hey, they did post the stream:
https://www.twitch.tv/videos/220328149?t=01h34m40s
I skipped ahead to game 1. I should rewatch to make sure I had my stories straight.
Note (as I'm watching)- the angle is really bad, so there's some glare on my side where my lands are. No commentary either. But you can see chat, so that's rad.
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I tested out both Magus. I feel like they are win more a lot of times. I am really enjoying the flexibility LED & Burning Wish give to find answers if needed. Side boarding is usually: IN: DD Package (-1 DD) OUT: 2x grizzlebees, 1x CoK, 3x Goryo's, 1x GP
// Creature (6)
4 Griselbrand
1 Children of Korlis
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
// Instant (13)
4 Dark Ritual
4 Entomb
4 Shallow Grave
3 Goryo's Vengeance
// Sorcery (18)
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Faithless Looting
4 Burning Wish
4 Thoughtseize
2 Unmask
// Artifact (8)
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
// Land (13)
2 Badlands
1 Scrubland
2 Swamp
2 Bloodstained Mire
2 Polluted Delta
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Marsh Flats
//Sideboard (15)
// DD Package (8)
1 Conjurer's Bauble
1 Laboratory Maniac
1 Shelldock Isle
4 Doomsday
1 Act on Impulse
// UTILITY (7)
1 Exhume
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Empty the Warrens
1 Pyroclasm
1 By Force
1 Council's Judgment
1 Paraselene
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
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scottpou
I still don't like Doomsday as a transformation for this deck as much as Mentor. It's not quite enough of a different axis to fight on.
Cool mardu list though - but I do wonder why you're running all thought seize over some number of Cabal Therapy. Therapy lets you sac a griselbrand if you fizzle to make sure you have another one in the yard for the next turn.
All that said - I also think that not running Brainstorm and Ponder is removing a strength of this deck as well. But hey, you do you. :)
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
One of my biggest issues with a Doomsday sideboard is that Surgical Extraction is the most common form of hate right now, and even if it doesn't remove a card we care about, a Surgical after resolving Doomsday messes up the order of the pile and can throw the plan off.
Sure, it dodges Cage, RiP, DRS, Leyline, Relic, and every other form of graveyard hate, but the most common hate card forces a shuffle and that shuffle can ruin a well crafted pile.
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
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.dk
I still don't like Doomsday as a transformation for this deck as much as Mentor. It's not quite enough of a different axis to fight on.
The main deck already has another avenue to win with EtW, and I have to admit it's still enjoyable to make 10+ gobs on turn 1 if that's what my hand is showing me. I like the option DD gives for other lines of play to either storm out without the graveyard, meandeck, or shelldock/emmy. Are they optimal no, but they do give me many options, sometimes with two in the same piles.
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.dk
Cool mardu list though
Thank you! I am trying to do some different things. I know they won't always be popular, but how else can we improve?
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.dk
I do wonder why you're running all thought seize over some number of Cabal Therapy.
Almost exactly a year ago, I was running a BU list that had 3 Unmask, 3 Cabal Therapy, and 1 Duress main deck as the disruption. (It was the full 15 DD transformation sideboard) I was very in tune with the meta and was very aware of what pieces of hate I needed to focus on for Therapy. However, I made a wrong call on the critical turn that lost me a weekly (we were top 2 seeds). Also, I will be attending a STG weekend where there's no way I'm going to know every deck and there will be plenty of brainstorms. I don't want to be naming pieces that BS hid.
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.dk
Therapy lets you sac a griselbrand if you fizzle to make sure you have another one in the yard for the next turn.
I am very aware of the interaction, but I have been testing extensively the past two months and have yet to run into a situation where it was relevant. I was very surprised myself. I feel the LED's mana production has been crucial to the perceived decreased fizzle-rate. After thinking about it, upping Grizzel to 4 probably assisted as well.
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.dk
All that said - I also think that not running Brainstorm and Ponder is removing a strength of this deck as well. But hey, you do you. :)
I have played blue in tournaments for over a decade. I am very aware of how convenient and useful BS is with fetch lands. I have the volcs and useas, but I really wanted to try to make this deck non-blue. I guess I consider it a challenge because my friends also attending SCG require FoW and BS to feel comfortable/confident. As I've stated previously, I'm playing TinFins to burst some onions, grab a snack, and wait for my next opponent.
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
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Originally Posted by
Acclimation
One of my biggest issues with a Doomsday sideboard is that Surgical Extraction is the most common form of hate right now, and even if it doesn't remove a card we care about, a Surgical after resolving Doomsday messes up the order of the pile and can throw the plan off. Sure, it dodges Cage, RiP, DRS, Leyline, Relic, and every other form of graveyard hate, but the most common hate card forces a shuffle and that shuffle can ruin a well crafted pile.
You are absolutely correct Acclimation! I would rather wait a turn and see my opponent's hand with GP, TS, or Unmask before playing DD on that same turn. Otherwise, you're leaving yourself more open than a 7-Eleven.
That being said, having the option to go around "Cage, RiP, DRS, Leyline, Relic, and every other form of graveyard hate" is very appealing to me.
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
Anyone else going to SCG Worcester Open?
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No Worcester, but definitely Seattle.
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Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
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scottpou
When is Seattle?
April 6-8th
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
Strictly speaking, the Legacy GP Main Event is on Friday the 6th and Saturday the 7th. (of April)
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
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scottpou
Anyone else going to SCG Worcester Open?
I want to burst onions next week the SCG event but I don't know if my friend who would drive is going yet.
Good luck to anyone who tries to go for it.
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
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Kobra_D
I want to burst onions next week the SCG event but I don't know if my friend who would drive is going yet.
Good luck to anyone who tries to go for it.
I'm trying to go to SCG Dallas next month and jam some g-daddies at the Legacy side events,
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
I'm going to my LGS on Monday in Boulder! Yeah! Also I'm not playing this deck
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
I think tonight I'm going to think about another deck at the bar tonight instead of going to FNM.
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
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Acclimation
I think tonight I'm going to think about another deck at the bar tonight instead of going to FNM.
I don't understand why you would do that? How bizarre
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
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.dk
I don't understand why you would do that? How bizarre
We both know that I have bizarre desires. I might even consider a dark n stormy for my drink acquisition tonight.
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
Re: [Deck] TinFins 3: Return of the Onion Burst
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Originally Posted by
scottpou
So... you only have 6 ways to draw into your doomsday pile (faithless looting sorta counts, so maybe 10)? That seems like a frequent pass the turn setup, unless I'm missing something. That sounds risky to me.
