[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

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Originally Posted by keys

What about Modern Masters (storm is a thing), Conspiracy-style sets, FTV, etc... There are more ways they could reprint it even outside of Eternal Masters and Commander, which are both obvious to me.

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Flusterstorm isn't Modern legal.

But seem pretty intent on somehow proving my opinion wrong (which I never claimed to be a fact). If it makes you feel better, I'll concede that I don't know when they will reprint it. I never said it wouldn't, or couldn't be reprinted, only that everything we know would seem to point to it not being particularly soon, but if you really need me to be wrong, we can go with that.

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Originally Posted by H

Flusterstorm isn't Modern legal.

But seem pretty intent on somehow proving my opinion wrong (which I never claimed to be a fact). If it makes you feel better, I'll concede that I don't know when they will reprint it. I never said it wouldn't, or couldn't be reprinted, only that everything we know would seem to point to it not being particularly soon, but if you really need me to be wrong, we can go with that.

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Cards are only not legal in Modern until they get reprinted...

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Originally Posted by keys

Cards are only not legal in Modern until they get reprinted...

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It would be completely unprecedented to introduce a card to the modern legality via reprint in a masters set

http://www.magicspoiler.com/mtg-spoiler/flusterstorm/

The speculators must feel stupid now.

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Originally Posted by H

Flusterstorm isn't Modern legal. ... I don't know when they will reprint it. ... everything we know would seem to point to it not being particularly soon ...

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And then one hour later, it's there.

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Originally Posted by ESG

And then one hour later, it's there.

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I'm not afraid to admit I was wrong. I hadn't really considered Flusterstorm "iconic," so naturally I discounted the probability of it being reprinted in there. I never said it wasn't possible to reprint, just seemingly improbable. The thing about improbable events is that some of them inevitably happen.

Fact is, I'm not a speculator. I buy cards to play a game with them. I have 4 non-foil Flusterstorm and 2 Judge foils. Zero cares that they just reprinted it either. The only time I actually care about the monetary value of cards is if I am looking to buy some.

You were not wrong at all. Flusterstorm indeed isn't "Iconic", so if that was the main criteria for the set, then yeah, it clearly was a long shot. It's not like you said it was impossible. Considering available information, what you said was both fair and reasonable. You were not wrong, just like it is not wrong to bet against rolling a 20 on a 20-sided die - even if a 20 does end up being rolled, the correct bet still was to bet against it.

I would have expected it in the next Eternal Masters, but not before.

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Originally Posted by ParkerLewis

You were not wrong at all. Flusterstorm indeed isn't "Iconic", so if that was the main criteria for the set, then yeah, it clearly was a long shot. It's not like you said it was impossible. Considering available information, what you said was both fair and reasonable. You were not wrong, just like it is not wrong to bet against rolling a 20 on a 20-sided die - even if a 20 does end up being rolled, the correct bet still was to bet against it.

I would have expected it in the next Eternal Masters, but not before.

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People like a good "gotcha" moment. While I was careful in my wording, indicating that in no way was I saying anything definite and tempering my prediction with the fact that there is no way to know for certain, it makes people feel better to label themselves "right" and others "wrong." If a good "gotcha" moment doesn't exist, simply make one by creatively reading and/or selectively quoting whatever you like.

So, hopefully I helped them feel better about their life for a while. If that takes me playing the villain, that's fine, I doesn't make much of a difference to me, since as I said before I am not a speculator, I don't buy cards to make money, I buy them to play the game.

@H: It was the timing of your remark that was amusing; that's all. You're definitely not a villain. I agree with the critique of Iconic Masters not being very iconic. It's really just Hodgepodge Masters. I suspect the 25th anniversary set will follow that same formula.

Flusterstorm is iconic
Rishadan Port is not iconic
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Originally Posted by PirateKing

Flusterstorm is iconic
Rishadan Port is not iconic
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See it that way : value-wise, you may have wanted both. You got at least one. And chances are you're going to get the other one either in M25 or in EM2.

Really, barring this stupid RL, WotC is indeed doing some significant work to add copies of expensive cards into the market. Sure, it's also making them a ton of easy money, but hey. Think about those 20+ years where they didn't do *anything* in that direction.

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Originally Posted by ESG

@H: It was the timing of your remark that was amusing; that's all. You're definitely not a villain. I agree with the critique of Iconic Masters not being very iconic. It's really just Hodgepodge Masters. I suspect the 25th anniversary set will follow that same formula.

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Honestly, I had completely forgotten Iconic Masters even existed when I had first posted, let alone was about to get spoiled.

My comment wasn't really directed at you though.

The continued non-printing of Port is really suspicious. What are they saving it for, really? It's got to be something. Perhaps we'll see a set with Port and Imperial Recruiter at some point.

H is totally villainous. Starting with the dastardly way he identifies himself on this forum... How do you even pronounce that? hehhh? eitch?

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Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew

H is totally villainous. Starting with the dastardly way he identifies himself on this forum... How do you even pronounce that? hehhh? eitch?

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That's one of the keys to villainy: start with a good "moniker." The fact is, how can they ever catch you if they can't even agree what your name is? :cool:

On another note, looks like Serendib Efreet (AN) is on the rise again. Also, Eureka is over $300? I wonder how many I own...

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Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew

H is totally villainous. Starting with the dastardly way he identifies himself on this forum... How do you even pronounce that? hehhh? eitch?

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aitch
[eych]
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noun
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the letter H, h.

Saw it on the spelling bee once too. I still don't understand why you spell the letter H as aitch when 'h' is in the spelling of the word:eyebrow:.

I've been out of Magic for a while but coming back and seeing these prices are getting ridiculous. Foil Gaea's Cradles have been surprising me but I guess I should be happy I own a few. Time to check some old storage boxes to see if I still have any terrible cards from old sets.

Drop of Honey has rocketed almost double up to Living Plane. Living Plane/Prodigal Sorcerer is the main combo and Drop of Honey is only luxury card there. I think it is best to tank Living Planes now when you still can get them about 150$ if you want to play Old School combo.

93/94 staples are getting rebought-out, it seems. Choas Orb in particular. Even things like hippies and black knight have new established price floors.

https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Li...+Specter#paper
https://www.mtggoldfish.com/price/Un...haos+Orb#paper

Dem charts tho

Mox Diamond is up too, and dangerously low on TCG. If you ever wanted them, get them before they go up again

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

Mox Diamond is up too, and dangerously low on TCG. If you ever wanted them, get them before they go up again

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People are trying to sell the FTV Foil at $180 at the moment :eek:

The only foil version of a RL card that is a 4 of almost any time that it's played and is in a tier 1 and tier 1.5 deck? Seems reasonable to me

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Originally Posted by H

The continued non-printing of Port is really suspicious. What are they saving it for, really? It's got to be something. Perhaps we'll see a set with Port and Imperial Recruiter at some point.

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Don't try to apply logic to their spurious reasons for not printing reprintable staples. Remember Damnation? it was so egregious that Sam Stoddart had to write a whole article on the mother ship explaining why it took them a decade to reprint it, and every reason was completely arbitrary and mostly had to do with feelings and it not sitting right artistically or aesthetically with the what they wanted certain releases to feel like. No one other than Wotc cares about that, and Wotc VASTLY overestimates how much that stuff matters.

It was supposed to be in a FTV but a set in development was maybe going to use it so they pulled it, and then it never made that set. Like why not fucking both?!?!? They do that all the time, where there is a new print of something and then it shows up again 9 months later. Who cares? people just want the card, but this one time it was suddenly not a rule they could break?

Mox Diamond Buyout just happened.

Anyone feel like literally throwing around $600? Chaos Orb tripled in a week, from $200 to $600.

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Originally Posted by Scott

Anyone feel like literally throwing around $600? Chaos Orb tripled in a week, from $200 to $600.

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Why was Chaos Orb $200 to begin with? The card is banned everywhere.

Old School and collectors I guess.

Starting to get back into Magic, but these prices are deterring me. I bought my Revised duals for $20 a pop back in 2005. Sold all my cards in 2013ish to fund another hobby, thinking I had made a great profit... oh how shortsighted I was. The thought that I will never be able to buy back most of my old cards is scary. Those legacy staples I used to own, those obscure but useless old cards from Arabian Nights I collected for fun, the mint condition Alpha I pulled from a pack, would cost me as much as a new car at this point. Who exactly can afford that? Do people still play with real cards?

play LED dredge! :)

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Originally Posted by Lord Seth

Why was Chaos Orb $200 to begin with? The card is banned everywhere.

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I think that a couple graded copies have sold recently, thus bumping up the aggregate price one sees on charts around the web. Tcg mid is around 590, while Cardkingdom has copies for about half that price. I dont think its the new price floor, just an anomaly. But this is mtg finance so who knows

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Originally Posted by Tittliewinks22

Mox Diamond Buyout just happened.

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Hope you guys got your Diamonds, $180 now.

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Originally Posted by Lord Seth

Why was Chaos Orb $200 to begin with? The card is banned everywhere.

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It's a colorless Vindicate in Old School and that format had a huge buyout.

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Originally Posted by Claymore

Hope you guys got your Diamonds, $180 now.

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There are many available on magiccardmarked starting at 50€

If you're looking at English Diamonds of Exc or better, than there's a single copy on MKM for €75 and then they go from €100+ upwards, rising fast.

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Originally Posted by hjalte

There are many available on magiccardmarked starting at 50€

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NM copies are 100€.

I just checked, I only have 3. Shit. On the other hand, it's been years since I've played a deck with Mox Diamond.

edit : well, I managed to see an EX copy at 54€ on a non-US, "non-internationally known" site. So basically a pre-spike price (or almost). Yes, I ordered it.

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Originally Posted by iOWN

Starting to get back into Magic, but these prices are deterring me. I bought my Revised duals for $20 a pop back in 2005. Sold all my cards in 2013ish to fund another hobby, thinking I had made a great profit... oh how shortsighted I was. The thought that I will never be able to buy back most of my old cards is scary. Those legacy staples I used to own, those obscure but useless old cards from Arabian Nights I collected for fun, the mint condition Alpha I pulled from a pack, would cost me as much as a new car at this point. Who exactly can afford that? Do people still play with real cards?

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You would be surprised how many don't use real cards.

reddit.com/bootlegmtg

Copper Tablets skyrocket.

I wonder why them instead of many other more playable U/B/A only cards.

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Originally Posted by raudo

Copper Tablets skyrocket.

I wonder why them instead of many other more playable U/B/A only cards.

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Somebody won an 93/94 tournament with them or something. I saw a vague post about it on Facebook.

Yes, it got second at ovino XII old school event, with two copper main and two side.

Anybody knows why volrath shapeshifter has bumped now?

i think it was seen in a reanimator deck.

Copper Tablets hype is now gone and the prices are going back to normal. Next buyout looks to be unlimited Shivan Dragons.