He won?! Omg awesome! no idea why the SCG game shows that both RUG Delver and Reanimator are 2nd though.
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He won?! Omg awesome! no idea why the SCG game shows that both RUG Delver and Reanimator are 2nd though.
Wow, no Iona in the entire 75, nor Animate Dead.
I don't know if I could ever not run Iona. lol
Actually the most critical thing we can learn from Reid Duke's deck I think..is running Blazing Archon in the main deck, I think that's brilliant and agree that in all honesty Iona is far better as a sideboard card. Yes, she does just shut down some decks, but not the one's you really need to be concerned about it...
RUG-the color you name depends on the game state;
1. Blue if you're ahead and they only have 1 creature on the field
2. Red if you're near death and afraid of getting burned out (I've had to do this a couple times)
3. Green if they haven't stuck a threat yet.
Maverick- this one's a complete toss-up and frankly it'd heavily depend on if you'd duress/thoughtsiezed their hand and knew what you were most likely to be concerned about.
1. White: for Swords to Plowshares (and KOTR if it's in their hand)
2. Green: if they have a GSZ in their hand and will have 4 mana the next available turn or so (which gets KOTR..which gets Karakas)
Sneak and Show- this one I'd name blue to stop the show and tell (though to be fair it could actually help us) if I hadn't seen their hand. Red if I knew they had the Sneak Attack and the fattie to go with it (and no show and tell).
On the other hand..Blazing Archon just flat out stops all 3 of those decks from winning, with RUG and Maverick being the only decks to actually have an out (double bolt from RUG and Swords for Maverick).
I lost a game against Maverick yesterday to a top-decked Karakas, so I'm definitely down with running fewer legendary creatures who aren't Griselbrand, but I wouldn't eschew Iona completely. I'd put one in the board at least, personally.
On Animate Dead: It's vulnerable to Stifle, Spell Snare, and Qasali Pridemage, but it doesn't hit your life total, so wouldn't it be better with Griselbrand? In addition, you can target the opponent's graveyard with it, if needed.
They cannot stop your 3 turn clock with Mongoose and Goyf and they need to drop at least 3 of them to race you and you can still use countermagic, reanimate more creatures or block. Naming green is pretty much the worst option.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXile
Look at the Maverick hate Reid Duke is piling up in his sideboard. There is no need to have Iona here (although I wouldn't want to miss her against other matchups).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXile
Anyway, naming white is the better option, because it hits pretty much everything except for GSZ and Ooze (which you don't care about at this point) and some unimportant stuff. You can at least swing for 7 and countering GSZ should be possible.
Only name red if you know they can drop Sneak Attack in the following two turns AND you don't have counters! Blue is so much better in this matchup and you should be able to counter a hardcasted Sneak Attack.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheXile
Archon definitely deserves a spot in the MD in those SCG metas.
Cutting Animate Dead and going down to 8 reanimation spells is pretty risky (AND going down to 2 SnT SB) and playing 4 Griselbrands makes you ultra vulnerable to Surgical.
About a week ago i started playtesting this fatty suite(after realizing that i go
for Griselbrand about 80% of time i cast Entomb) :
MB
4 x Griselbrand
1 x Iona, Shield of Emeria
1 x Sphinx of the Steel Wind
1 x Terastodon
1 x It that betrays
SB
1 x Elesh Norn, Grand Cenobite
1 x Platinum Emperion
1 x Blazing Archon
I actually think It that betrays should get more attention(from those fearing maverick matchups especially)
Pros:
-Nonlegendary
-(Given enough time) somehow solves Maze of Ith problem
-Colorless -> no Mother of runes blocking tricks(probably marginally relevant)
Cons:
-Reanimating it pains(a lot)
-Anything else?
I did in fact have two matches agains Maverick where It won the game no other creature would(against an active KotR).
Anyone has any more experience with this guy?
4 x Grisel have been amazing so far. I’m not missing Jin Gitaxias at all. I might consider cuting down to 3 Griselbrands for another Non-legend (right now, Blazing Archon comes to mind obviously), yet I’m not dropping Iona till somebody proves me wrong.
Platinum Emperion is underperforming for me and would probably get kicked.
Also I found Animate dead’s drawbacks hardly relevant and I’m slowly turning to running more of them over exhume. Maybe it’s just my bad luck, but I’ve been sitting with dead Exhume in hand (opponents graveyards including: their Griselbrands, Phyrexian Metamorph, Eternal witness(and a highly relevant one) and many others) too many times, wheras I cant recall all that many situations where casting Exhume over Animate Dead would matter much(apart from occasional surprise entomb after my opp cracking crypt). Not to mention a fair amount of games I’ve won solely thants to my opponent’s creatures.
Metamorph does nothing in your situation unless there is already something dangerous on the table.Quote:
Originally Posted by whosyourdaddy
I was pretty sure it works that way. We both reanimate creatures me:Griselbrand, opponent metamorph copying Grisel -> legend rule.Quote:
Originally Posted by ykpon
Can anyone correct me?
EDIT: Ok, never mind. I got it.
Hi guys
I’m preparing for GP Gent, and Reanimator is one of two decks I’m thinking of playing. The other being a deck I’ve played for years: Canadian Thresh.
I’ve been reading through a lot of posts here, articles online, watched videos on YouTube, etc, but I have some questions for today’s meta. They might sound obvious, but remember that I haven’t played Reanimator before. Hopefully you guys can answer some questions about what I believe to be one of the most powerful decks right now:
1. Is the creature count “fixed” at 8? I see a lot of lists running that number. Has the deck evolved through the years and it’s “common knowledge” that 8 is the correct number?
2. Continuing on creatures, Griselbrand seems nuts. I’ve seen lists with 1 and 4. I’ve read discussions about Griselbrand v Jin. Are we closer to a common answer, or are the jury still out?
3. More creatures, this time silver bullets. Which creatures do you find strong right now? My thought is that Blazing Archon is good (as stated by many others) since Canadian and Sneak & Show don’t have outs to him game 1. Others?
4. Sideboard part 1: My meta, Oslo Norway, has a lot of Dredge. I’m torn about the sideboard simple because I don’t know how good and how reliable Blazing Archon and Elesh Norn are against Dredge. Do we need Leylines or are the two fatties enough? Crypts?
5. Sideboard part 2: Reid Duke played a sideboard with a lot of hate for Maverick. Thoughts?
6. Sideboard part 3: Silver bullets (again). Iona seems sweet against decks like Pox, Goblins, Merfolk, Elves, etc. Decks you might find in the early rounds of big tournaments. Iona seems decent, but perhaps not more, in most other matchups as well. I guess I’m looking for general thoughts about sideboard bullets.
7. Sideboard part 4 (last one): Assuming we won game one, what do you take out against Canadian, Maverick and Sneak & Show? Difficult question I know, a lot of unknown factors, but again: more on a general note.
8. Protection. I feel a big part of Griselbrand’s success in Sneak & Show is because they can protect him. I’ve seen different Reanimator lists with 4 Force of Will, 4 Daze and 2-3 Thoughtseize. Is that enough? How is Misdirection in our list? (Specially since Griselbrand doesn’t have Shroud).
9. 16, 17 or 18 lands. I’m a fan of consistency and not losing to mana screw. In my Canadian Thresh list I’m always running 4 Trops and 4 Volcanics to naturally draw more lands and not open up to much for Stifle. I’m thinking 17 or 18 lands seems correct, perhaps depending on the Ponder count. Thoughts?
10. The easiest question to write, but the most difficult one to answer: how do you play Reanimator? Again, on a general note.
Many thanks! Really hoping and looking forward to reading your answers and discussing this deck more. I’ve started thinking about a list, and some possible tweaks, but I feel it’s way to early to make any conclusions since I don’t know all that much about Reanimator at this stage.
J
1. It's certainly not fixed, as I've seen some lists run less. 8's been fine for me in testing.Quote:
Originally Posted by copywriter
2. Well, Reid Duke just got first place with a list that used 4 Griselbrand and 0 Jin, so it's entirely possible that Grisel's just better. Honestly, ever since I've added Grisel to my list, I've never really wanted Jin except if I can reanimate him turn 2 on the play, and even then it's rare. I'm torn between running 3 Grisel/1 Jin or 4 Grisel/0 Jin at the moment.
3. Archon is better than I thought he was, and I'm gonna move him from my sideboard to the maindeck. Sphinx of the Steel Wind is still awesome, as is Elesh Norn. Iona is a real beating, although Reid Duke didn't use her at all. I'm gonna still keep her. Angel of Despair is still necessary for problem permanents, IMO.
4. I think you're fine against Dredge with just going for Elesh Norn. It's usually tough for them to ever fight it, at least from my experience. Reid Duke had Crypts in his board, though I would personally use Surgical Extraction, since you can bring it in against other matchups and get a pretty big game. In one game against Sneak and Show (Game 2), I managed to Surgical away his Sneak Attacks, and he had boarded out his Show and Tells, which won me the game.
5. Definitely agree with it. Maverick is such a pain.
6. Iona may not be the BEST target in the upper table matchups, but she's not completely useless either.
7. Against RUG Delver, I generally take out Dazes (I hate them on the draw), Animate Dead (They can be Stifled) for Show and Tells, more discard, and Surgical Extraction.
Against Sneak and Show, I bring in Pithing Needle, Echoing Truth (since it deals with the permanent hate they would most likely run, such as Leyline, Relic and so on) and take out Dazes and Exhume. I like Animate Dead and Reanimate because we could possibly steal their Griselbrand via Thoughtseize.
Against Maverick, I'd bring in the Massacre, Perish, Show and Tells, and Pithing Needles and take out Dazes, Animate Dead (They can be killed by Pridemage).
8. I've never tested Misdirection in the main, so I've no experience about this. It seems okay on paper, though.
9. 17 has been good for me for a while now: 9 fetches, 4 Sea, 4 Basics.
10. If I know that my opponent isn't packing counterspells, I play much more aggressively, trying to reanimate as fast as possible. If they are, I play more cautiously.
On the blind, I hope I have Thoughtseize to see what kind of deck they are, which changes my playstyle. Seeing their first land drop/play also is a significant factor.
-misdirection is very good in this deck.
-i still prefer 3 Jin/0 Griselbrand. Not yet totally convinced to use Griselbrand.
Really? How many Griselbrand in the Top 8s would convince you? Because there were 12/12 (all decks that could play him did) last week and 0 Jin. People are writing articles talking only about beating Griselbrand.Quote:
Originally Posted by CranialX
Drew's intro:
http://www.starcitygames.com/magic/l...verything.html
"Right now, Legacy is a format of Griselbrand versus everyone else.
Right now, Griselbrand is winning.
The legendary Demon has won two of the last three SCG Legacy Opens in two very different strategies: Sneak and Show and Reanimator. One uses Show and Tell, along with Sneak Attack, to put a Griselbrand from one's hand into play. The other uses Entomb and Careful Study (or Hapless Researcher) to put a monster six feet under before casting a Reanimate or Exhume."
Quote:
Originally Posted by CorpT
I wonder where that obnoxious poster that was arguing with and insulting anyone that disagreed that Jin was the better card is.
Don't be mad at me, just because you lack reading skills. I never sad Griselbrand is bad or Jin is per se better. Not to mention, that the meta has shifted, thanks to Griselbrand itself. The insults are just coming from you, huffy boy.Quote:
Originally Posted by rxavage
Also, just because someone has won a single tournament, doesn't prove the list to be the non plus ultra. Just watch the mirror match and be stunned by his sheer luck and stupidity of his opponent.
Now let's take a look at the other top 8 Reanimator lists...ah, that's right, they didn't even place that high. Top 16 then...still nothing. What about the last two SCG Opens? Two Top 16 finishes with only one Griselbrand.
Stop touching yourself. Griselbrand is an insane card, but it's not something you can include as a 4-of without thinking about it.
Thought about it. If I play Reanimator this weekend, it will have 4x Griselbrand only because I can't play more.
Quote:
Originally Posted by H3llsp4wn
You're a pathetic joke and you did say Jin was better "per se". Lol. Funny how you volunteered yourself up as this person if it wasn't you?
I wonder if you also start all your decklists these days with:Quote:
Originally Posted by CorpT
4 Griselbrand
56 other cards.
Or something that beats Griselbrand very well. Vendillion Cliques, Discard, etc... He's definitely the elephant in the room that must be addressed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
Tarmogoyf is sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
That being said, I do think GB is better overall than Jin simply because he fills two roles at once (anti-aggro and anti-control) whereas Jin is mainly anti-control.
I know you hold a grudge against me, as you clearly stated with your insults in the Hypergenesis thread and now again. Don't let the hate eat you from the inside.Quote:
Originally Posted by rxavage
Are you still playing Ancient Tombs in your sideboard? :x
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d-diB65scQU