2 Armageddons? That sounds very greedy but effective netherless.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
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2 Armageddons? That sounds very greedy but effective netherless.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Good against Drazi and Miracles. Can't argue.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderknight
My current list, been testing it a lot and it seems to hold ground:
3 Deathrite Shaman (only 3, sometimes it removes to much, so 2 Nobles, 3 Deathrites)
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
2 Noble Hierarch (sometimes you get manascrewed because KOTR, Titiana, plus i like the extra exalted trigger)
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger (why not?)
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben (with 4 too often dead draw)
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth (couple of dorks + cradle + gsz)
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sylvan Library
1 Plains
2 Forest
1 Scrubland
1 Bayou
2 Savannah
3 Verdant Catacombs (8 fetches sometimes 1 too much, i prefer 3 basics and needed spot for Maze)
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Maze of Ith (i love this card, also in combo with KOTR, attack, damage, untap, tap)
1 Dryad Arbor
SB: 1 Abrupt Decay
SB: 1 Armageddon (i like)
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 2 Choke
SB: 2 Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Krosan Grip (board in versus sensei's d top)
SB: 1 Pithing Needle
SB: 3 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Zealous Persecution
Feedback welcome. I will run this at some events soon.
Quote:
Originally Posted by sanderanders
We're running very similar list however my list is more synergistic with Titania's and maximizes the potential of dropping 5/3s
4 KoTR
3 DRS
3 Thalia (running 4 is not needed)
3 Mom
2 Pridemages
2 SFM
2 Nobles
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Sylvan Safekeeper (This card will win against Miracles, DnT, and any spot removal they have. It's also good because you can just one-shot Knight them lethal. It can be GSZ, and also it maximizes Titania's effect)
1 Titania (Faster Clock than Sigarda)
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Ooze
4 GSZ
3 STP
2 Abrupt Decays
1 Jitte
1 Sylvan Library
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Windswepth Health
2 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Cavern of souls (There's a lot of miracles in my meta)
1 Karakas
1 Dryad Arbor
SB: Now this is where I start to wander off.
3 Thoughtseize
2 Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Sylvan Library
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Choke
1 Armageddon
1 Pithing Needle
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Hallowed Moonlight (Catnip + Catches all them tokens)
To be complete:Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderknight
Spells:
-1 Mother of Runes
-1 Swords to Plowshares
+1 Sylvan Safekeeper
+1 Garruk Relentless
Lands:
-1 Maze of Ith
-1 Verdant Catacombs
-1 horizon Canopy (agree)
+1 Wooded Foothills
+1 Bayou
+1 Cavern of Souls
I think sideboardng is more of a local meta subject. Pretty much the same build, don't you agree? I will test Safekeeper, but i don't know if i can let go the 4th Mother of Runes... Sigh...i wish 62 was the standard... ;-)
Does anyone else really like the new Thalia to reinvigorate Maverick? Seems like it should have no problem coming down turn two. The question is what do we take out?
That's the tough question. You probably skim your stone forge package if you play it. Maybe shave a knight? Have your dudes look like:Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbrewersbro
5 Mana Dorks (plus 4 green sun)
4 Mom
3 Thalia , GoT
3 Kotr
3 New Thalia
1 Scooze
1 Teeg
Whatever other random bullets you run?
Would you still run any equiptment with out Stoneforge. I like the idea, but I feel like I still want a Jitte, and SOFI.Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Or just run 2 Jitte like the old old days
Back when your opponent played a jitte so you would play jitte to blow up their jitte but want a second jitte for yourselfQuote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Yeah I would keep the weapons, maybe cut a sword if you run two, and completely cut stone forge for thalia.
maybe side, vs d&t having many legends its really uselessQuote:
Originally Posted by Jimbrewersbro
its good vs lands combo and eldrazi, but still not green, so, maaybe u will never play her main deck, u cant have more monowhite creatures when u need the best combination for zenith
i saw this side up-posted:
3 Thoughtseize
2 Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Sylvan Library
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Choke
1 Armageddon
1 Pithing Needle
1 Abrupt Decay
1 Surgical Extraction
1 Hallowed Moonlight (Catnip + Catches all them tokens)
i dont like it, in a 0 cantrip deck u cant play 1 card side like surgical or pithing needle or choke , they are cards that u need 2x or u will never see it
i prefer always:
3 Thoughtseize
2 Canonist
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Choke
2 Pithing Needle
1 Abrupt Decay (2 min deck, so u can play with 0 swords vs miracle)
2-3 Surgical Extraction
1-2 green creture zenitable : gaddock/qasali/reclamation sage
I really like the new White Charm thing with super entwine. I think it's a solid 1-3 of in this deck. Good against delver match up, burn, true name, removal. I like it even as a simply combat trick
Hello,
My girlfriend is putting together the list below that was piloted to 6th @ SCG Invitational Qualifier by Cas Watson:
Creatures (25)
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Mother of Runes
2 Noble Hierarch
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Gaddock Teeg
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
1 Dryad Arbor
Lands (23)
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Bayou
1 Maze of Ith
2 Savannah
2 Scrubland
1 Thespian's Stage
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
1 Karakas
1 Dark Depths
Spells (12)
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
2 Abrupt Decay
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Green Sun's Zenith
Sideboard
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Containment Priest
1 Qasali Pridemage
1 Choke
2 Rest in Peace
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Armageddon
3 Thoughtseize
I will probably play this from time to time as well and have been reading up on Maverick despite having played against it a million times.
I have experience playing Sylvan Plug which can have a few similar themes.
I'm aware that there seem to be two camps now. Cradle vs Dark Depths.
I can see how Cradle works better with Tireless Tracker and I can see how Courser may be better with Dark Depths. This list makes us both hot and am super excited about it.
Aside from the typical "Maze KotR at end of combat" and eot Dark Depths/Stage fetching and activating, I would appreciate any advanced quick tips.
The board seems pretty straight forward. Do I bring in Thoughtseize vs. Miracles? Is there anything that Geddon is good against besides Miracles and Eldrazi? Are there any Scryb Ranger tricks that may not be obvious aside from just getting additional KotR activations, having mom save herself, and mana ramp with dorks?
If I were to try to squeeze Sylvan Safekeeper into this list, suggestions on what to cut? 1 Thalia?
Sorry for the general questions and I will read more of the thread but looking to get up to speed quickly.
Thanks,
My opinion is that the 4 DRS and 2 Nobles is too many dorks (even without Cradle). I run the DD combo and like 4 DRS, 1 Noble. 4 Thalias is too many as she can often be a PIA top deck with one in play. I like 3. I would never roll out without 4 mothers honestly. I personally enjoy a single main deck library. I don't like RIP in the SB at all since I would never bring out knight, especially with the DD combo. DRS and scooze should hold out against most gy based decks plus they're tutorable with GSZ. I do run a SB bojuka bog since it can be a nifty little gotcha with an active Knight. 2 containment priests seems kinda meh. I still run 1 in my SB but I don't think i've seen many lists that even run that anymore. You have all sorts of game against reanimate between scooze and DRS and for sneak and show you kinda just have to pray you have karakas at the right time. I run 8 fetches right now (24 lands including dryad arbor) but I'm not sure it's the right build right now. I want to try out 7. Also, I like 2 Bayou 1 scrubland split personally.Quote:
Originally Posted by Octopusman
TLDR: -1 thalia, -1 noble, +1 mom and you're left with room for Safekeeper if you want, although I would play a library personally.
As far as tips, DRS works really well as a deter ant to any sort of GY shenanigans your opponent wants to pull. Make sure you leave up mana (and the right colors) for him if at all possible.
Watch out when fetching plains and make sure you don't get blown out by Massacre. (Happened to me against reanimate last night so it's fresh in my mind)
Fetching a dryad arbor at EOT is always a good way to get around the summoning sickness and can be a nice surprise blocker.
Finally, don't listen to anything I say because it's probably wrong lol.
Hello everyone,
Long time follower of the thread, first time poster. I just finished building maverick and just played my first legacy tournament last week. Went 3-0-1 for 3rd place beating mono white prison, grixis delver, and shardless BUG and drawing with Miracles (Surprise!). How does everyone board against miracles? It was the only match where I didn't quite feel confident in how I boarded.
My current sideboard (likely soon to change) is:
3 Thoughtseize
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Choke
1 Life from the Loam
1 Containment Priest
2 Surgical
2 Pithing Needle
1 Qasali Pridemage
2 Ethersworn Canonist
Maindeck is pretty stock dark depths version. I believe I boarded in the pridemage, needles, and choke. I know i boarded out atleast one wasteland and swords to plowshares. Should i be boarding out all of my stp's?
Otherwise I'm incredibly stoked to be playing legacy and look forward to contributing to the discussion.
Also as a side note I'm currently playing tarmogoyf in my one main deck flex spot and it thus far seems really good.
I am interested into hearing about Titania actually. How do you like her, versus sigarda? I am looking for a top end creature for my list as I prepare for scg worcester, and she is on my short list right now, however I have never played her, so before testing her next week, I would like to hear comments from someone who played her in the past.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderknight
Other existential questions include 4 mom vs 3 mom/1 safekeeper , 3 vs 4 thalias, 3 stoneforge + jitte-batterskull vs 2 stoneforge + jitte - SoFaI. I haven't figured out exactly what I find optimal so far. I'll try to test as much as I can of these combination of cards in the coming weeks, online mostly, but some advice here would be appreciated, I feel somewhat lost here, for now.
For those interested, this is where i'm at so far:
4 KoTR
3 DRS
3 Thalia
4 Mom
1 Pridemage
2 SFM
1 noble
1 bird of paradise
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Titania / glissa the traitor (really good against eldrazis)/tarmogoyf (sometimes I wished I had a cheap beatstick that can also be a wall. It's very low on my shortlist tho)/sigarda /Safekeeper
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Ooze
4 GSZ
4 STP
2 Abrupt Decays
1 Jitte
2 Sylvan Library
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
4 Windswepth Health
3 Verdant Catacombs
1 marsh flats
1 horizon canopy
4 Wasteland
2 Bayou
2 Savannah
1 Scrubland
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Karakas
1 Dryad Arbor
Side:
4 Thoughtseize
2 Canonist
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Zealous Persecution
2 Armageddon
1 Abrupt Decay
2 Surgical Extraction
1 garruck relentless
Recently took out bitterblossom from the side, as when it was a good card, it ended up not matching well against monastery mentor when I could not have it soon enough. Opted to go full armageddon instead...
To go in general, I take out all my swords and usually a knight (that might be wrong tho, and taking out a wasteland might be a better idea here. Before I had 3 equipments so I would take out jitte too, but with only 2, I like to keep both in) and enter my grindy cards (decay, teeg, garruck, geddon). The reason I take all my swords out is because usually 3 decay after board will do their job better IMO. And in any cases, if mentor hits with a bunch of mana open, it's usually game over anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by ET1
Does anyone think the prevalence of Eldrazi in large, open metas necessitates the inclusion of Batterskull in the Equipment package? I understand the matchup is supposed to be solid for us but I don't have enough experience with it yet to make this judgment myself.
Seems like the new Thalia has serious potential - playtesting required, of course. As previously pointed out, 2 cmc vs. 3 cmc does make a noticeable difference, however, with our stock 5 mana dork list (4:1 or 3:2 DRS:Noble) she should be playable T2 fairly consistently. With this in mind, that begs the question, should we be looking more at running a 3:2 split instead of the more common 4:1 mana dork split to ensure she sticks on the board more consistently?Quote:
Originally Posted by Jimbrewersbro
Also, what kind of split of Thalias are people considering? I'm thinking 3:2 of the old Thalia and new Thalia to start. (I typically run a list of 4 Thalia, GoT.) I know they do not overlap due to the creature legendary rule, but there's only so much space in the deck and so I'm trying to parse out the correct numbers.
One other question I have as well: In light of Eldrazi's significant Legacy presence/success, are people still secure with running 4 Mother of Runes and 0 Sylvan Safekeeper? Is it time to consider running a 3:1 split? Safekeeper essentially acts as Mother of Runes in that MU, particularly with respect to the displacer eldrazi guy.
I think a 3/3 split of the old and new Thalia is ballbusting. I would always run 4/1 split of protections, its one of the best things this deck can do.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheoryCraft
Any thoughts about the new Pod card
Eldritch Evolution (1GG) Rare
Sorcery
As an additional cost to cast Eldritch Evolution, sacrifice a creature.
Search your library for a creature card with converted mana cost X or less, where X is 2 plus the sacrificed creature's converted mana cost. Put that card onto the battlefield, then shuffle your library. Exile Eldritch Evolution.
I know that there are better card choices to play (GSZ, Pod, NO). The reason why I'm bringing this up is because the "X = 2+ CMC of sac creature" clause.
An example would be
T1 Noble or DRS
T2 Evolve into Knight
T3 Evolve into Sigarda....
What do yall think?
Honestly, it is card disadvantage and worse than GSZ other than for fetching non-green creatures, which isn't that significant in our deck, therefore I don't see it being playable. The biggest drawback is the "sacrifice a creature" part as an additional cost. Counterspells like FoW, Daze, and Spell Pierce make it sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thunderknight
Got top 4 in one of my local stores Monthly legacy event. I think there was around 30 or so. List:
4 Noble Hierarch
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Mother of Runes
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Tireless Tracker
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Titania, Priestess of Aragoth
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Ajani Vengeant
2 Savannah
1 Taiga
1 Plateau
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wooded Foothills
2 Forest
1 Plains
1 Karakas
4 Wasteland
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Dryad Arbor
SB:
1 Sudden Shock
3 Elecktrickery
2 Krosan Grip
2 Pyroblast
2 Kor Firewalker
3 Faerie Macabre
1 Choke
1 Ethersworn Canonist
Round 1: Daretti Stax
Game 1: I get a pretty solid start and he gets a tangle wire down but I have a triple wasteland hand and he can't keep up.
game 2: I pretty much have it all and get a SoFaI on a man and he has Crucible going but I am able to attack Daretti and then helix him dead with Ajani to turn off his card advantage engine and I have green sun for his Forgemaster and kill him.
1-0
Round 2: White Eldrazi
Game 1: He gets a Jitte and I'm wasting his resources with Knight but he gets jitte big. Eventually I get Ajani to keep his Endless one tapped and he has to move his Jitte over so I helix it and Jitte gets to 5. I'm at 4 and attack him to 2 with my KOTR with 2 lands. He attacks with his Thought Knot and I flash in Scryb to untap knight, block, and kill him.
Game 2: He gets a pretty decent draw and crushes me because I don't see any big dudes.
Game 3: more of the same, I dont see a single green sun and his draw isn't really special, I just dont have any dudes that can contend.
1-1
Round 3: Shardless BUG
Game 1: I'm on the play and go Dryad Arbor off of Green Sun, he plays Deathrite. I play Scavenging Ooze with mana open. He Thoughtseizes me but I guess he doesnt have removal and Scooze takes over the game while I assemble Voltron on a Scryb Ranger with both Swords.
Game 2: He plays trop and passes. I play a dork and he has a T2 Scooze. I waste his green source and continue to waste him thanks to knight while I also have Thalia and Mother out after a few turns and eventually he stops playing lands and succumbs.
2-1
Round 4: Manaless Dredge
I know what he's on so I know what I need to mull to.
Game 1: I have a T2 Thalia and mana dorks but nothing else. Eventually I find a Jitte and get it going but by this time he gets plenty of bridge triggers. I jitte one of my guys to get rid of bridges, but I draw nothing but lands for the rest of the game and I die to Zombies. Fucking Misery.
Game 2: I take the draw and have a Turn 2 Scavenging ooze with cradle for mana. He's never in the game.
Game 3: I mull to 5, keep something like Thalia, Noble Hierarch, 2x Green Sun, Knight. I scry and see a forest. So I open by passing to him since I'm on the play. Get a turn 2 Dork into turn 3 Thalia. I have to green sun for more dorks because I'm briking on lands but I eventually get Scavengin Ooze with Cradle off of Knight and take over the game.
3-1
Round 5: Reanimator
It's nedleeds and I know what he's on.
Game 1: I keep a 1 land hand with Noble, 2x Green Sun, Knight, 2x Swords to plowshares I think? I have to green sun for a 2nd Hierarch on turn 2 and he reanimates Elesh Norn and I STP it but he wraths my board and I'm back to 1 land. Eventually I draw a 2nd, and third and he doesn't have much action whil I get Scooze off of my 2nd Green Sun.
Game 2: I keep an awkward one on the draw. Plains, Karakas, Cradle, Stoneforge, Knight, Knight Green Sun I think. He makes a turn 2 Griselbrand and I karakas it. I draw Mom and forget to play cradle to make Green. fortunately he has to reshape his hand. I draw Faerie macabre off of the top and he goes for entomb Grave Titan into Exhume and I blow him out exiling his 2 dudes and getting back the Macabre. I attack him to 1 next turn and draw another macabre off the top just in case.
4-1 into top 8 as the high seed.
Top 8: UG 12 Post
Game 1: I think he was kind of on a budget. He had a couple Breeding Pools and no candles I believe. He gets a Needle on Wasteland on turn 1 but he doesn't find any post lands and I SoFaI up a KOTR and kill him quickly.
Game 2: He gets triple Maze of Ith (vesuva copying) and I try to Waste him with Knight and he has crop rotation twice to save posts. He needles Knight and I'm not able to get much damage through, but I get Ajani down, keep his cloudpost tapped and Swords his primeval titan (fetched vesuva copying maze and glimmerpost :eyebrow: )and I pridemage needle, waste him off of Cloudposts and Ajani Ultimate him and kill him. God damn Ajani is so fucking sick.
Top 4: Death and Taxes
Game 1: He assembles Batterskull with sword and Jitte equipped and my Knight doesnt stand a chance against active Displacer.
Game 2: he gets a vial and no second lands, but I dont find pridemage to punish him and the vial lets him go nutty despite him having a Containment priest. I sudden shock in response to an equip, but he has another land to equip to Revoker and then finds a flickerwisp for my Mom on SofaI and kills it with Revoker and SoFaI and I die.
Rough beats in top 4. Not sure how the match up is. I feel like Elecktrickery is good, but maybe not as good as I think since Displacer and Serra Avenger don't get killed by it, and same with Sudden Shock. Maybe just straight up Bolt would be better. Overall the deck felt better than it did thursday. I like the fact that it essentially can't lose to combo. Death and Taxes feels like an oddly bad match up. Eldrazi is probably not terrible, I just drew poorly I think. If anyone has any questions, feel free to ask.
Hi everybody, after 2 years playing infect I decided tu turn back to my favourite deck: Maverick. I was in Prague for the GP and I saw many GW at day2 but all of them were raped by Miracle as usual. I'm building a list that could win against miracle...has anybody of you ever considered Pack Rat as a menace? is not fast but if u solve one of them with 3 mana open, they are forced to find a terminus (plowshare is useless, because u can put a copy into play) to kill it and even if u have many rats it will be a 1×1. U think that a SB with pack rat is too excessive? Any impression? Thank you
Small tournament report from my LGS's weekly legacy night. Went 3-1 beating reanimator, death and taxes, and lands. Lost to Esper Deathblade.
Round 1: 2-1 vs Reanimator
Thought he was on storm as that is what he played last week, kept a slightly slowish hand with double thalia, sylvan library, a couple of lands and some other two drop. He also kept a slowish hand, and I topdecked a deathrite and then at some point also got out a scavenging ooze. Game 2 he had triple daze which matched up pretty nicely against my turn 1 thoughtseize into turn two ooze, into turn 3 knight. Afterwards I pretty much topdecked lands, and he eventually got to three mana to cast show and tell into inkwell leviathan. Game three I was able to get both deathrite and ooze out, I misplayed by not activating ooze in response to a pithing needle which he then followed up with a massacre, I still had a deathrite in hand though and had enough gas to power it out.
-1 Teeg
-4 Mom
-1 Jitte
-1 Stoneforge
+2 Surgical
+1 Pithing Needle
+3 Thoughtseize
+1 Containment Priest
Round 2: 0-1-1 vs Esper Deathblade
Made lots of mistakes in our games, but the gist of game one was getting beat down by a true name nemesis with a jitte. Game 2 was quite grindy and I still made several mistakes, if I had drawn a third land I think I would've more firmly had that game. Game two ended with us swinging back and forth with my deathrite equipped with a sword of light and shadow and him with a batterskull as well as a rest in peace in play and a pithing needle naming my sword of fire and ice, which was also in play.
Not 100% sure what i boarded, and i definitely don't feel like I'm boarding correctly.
-1 Swords to Plowshares
-1 Teeg
-1 Hierarch
-1 Jitte
- something else?
+1 Garruk Relentless
+2 Zealous Persecution
+1 Pridemage
+something else? maybe a needle?
Round 3: 2-0 vs Death and Taxes
Pretty straightforward lopsided games that were both won off of knights. Game one I wasted his port and sea gate wreckage, stranding him with two lands and a fist full of three drops. Game 2 he dumped his hand to meet my zealous persecution.
-1 Teeg
-4 Thalia
-1 Ooze
+1 Pridemage
+2 Z. Persecution
+2 Pithing Needle
+1 Containment Priest
Round 4: 2-0 vs Lands
Definitely thought this match up would be somewhat unfavorable, but it felt pretty good. Knights won both games tutoring wastelands to destroy maze of iths. Game 2 I forgot that marit lage was legendary so i tapped my karakas while leaving up scrubland for a swords on his possible marit lage. Plowed his marit lage, used a pridemage to destroy a mox, used knight to waste him down to just one land while having a deathrite and ooze in play. Beat him down with two 7/7 knights, an ooze, and a thalia.
-1 Jitte
-1 Teeg
-2 Thalia
+2 surgical extraction
+2 Pithing Needle
Overall went 3-1 for fourth place. Definitely made some dumb mistakes, and probably many bad board decisions. How does everyone else board against Deathblade? Would really like help in that match up as its one of the few that doesn't feel too straightforward.
Congrats to the Maverick player that got 11th at the SCG open. They piloted punishing maverick with the dark depths combo, thought their deck looked interesting.
Here's the list:
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...?DeckID=105138
What are people's thoughts on punishing maverick versus dark maverick? Which match-ups or what types of decks is punishing maverick better against?
Thanks, this was me.Quote:
Originally Posted by ET1
Reposting list for the lazy:
3x Deathrite Shaman
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Birds of Paradise
1x Noble Hierarch
4x Mother of Runes
2x Qasali Pridemage
1x Gaddock Teeg
1x Scryb Ranger
1x Scavenging Ooze
3x Stoneforge Mystic
4x Knight of the Reliquary
4x Green Sun's Zenith
4x Swords to Plowshares
3x Punishing Fire
1x Sylvan Library
1x Umezawa's Jitte
1x Batterskull
4x Windswept Heath
3x Wooded Foothills
2x Savannah
2x Taiga
1x Plateau
1x Bayou
1x Forest
1x Plains
3x Grove of the Burnwillows
1x Karakas
3x Wasteland
1x Thespian's Stage
1x Dark Depths
SB: 1x Winter Orb
SB: 1x Ethersworn Canonist
SB: 1x Phyrexian Revoker
SB: 1x Reclamation Sage
SB: 1x Scavenging Ooze
SB: 1x Crop Rotation
SB: 1x Krosan Grip
SB: 2x Surgical Extraction
SB: 1x Gaddock Teeg
SB: 3x Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
SB: 1x Fiery Justice
SB: 1x Bojuka Bog
Matchups were as follows:
Canadian Thresh (2-1)
Merfolk (2-1)
RG Lands (2-0)
Eldrazi (2-0)
UB Reanimator (2-0)
Grixis Delver (2-0)
Death & Taxes (2-0)
Dredge (2-1)
Shardless BUG (1-1)
Eldrazi (1-1)
RG Lands (1-2)
BR Reanimator (2-1)
UG Infect (1-2)
UG Infect (2-1)
Preordain Miracles (2-1)
Final Record: 11-2-2
After throwing various configurations against the wall over the past few months I think I came up with a decent list. Anyone else working on this version? I get the impression almost all Maverick players these days are on GWb.
Edit: mistyped one match result last night.
Cool. I'm on a non punishing red list because I don't have Groves. Any thoughts on an ETutor in the sideboard since you have a few 1-ofs? Does lack of Thalia feel bad in the meta right now main board? In combo matches do you feel like you're just auto scooping to game 2? Would you consider new Thalia when she comes out? How fucking sick is fiery justice? Will little Johnny get out of the well?
Please post a photo of the decklist in question, otherwise, how can I trust you? Was the BOP beta?Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphix
First of all: congrats Meritt. Do you have your own customized 20/20 Meritt Lage token already? :tongue: I wondered how you feel about playing without Abrupt Decays.
Anyway, some good Maverick content showed up last week on Youtube on Legacy's Allure, it is Ep. 17, Maverick with Tom Herzog , for those who missed it: https://youtu.be/CHzeWOi3yiE
My Birds are pretty shameful tbh.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
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Originally Posted by Megadeus
I sometimes play an E-Tutor package, but if I'm playing Dark Depths I go with Crop Rotation instead. There isn't room in the sideboard for both in this version. I do like E-Tutor though.
Game 1 against combo decks is definitely a lot harder without Thalia, but its definitely not an auto-loss and you still win some of them.
Fiery Justice might be kind of iffy but its a pet card. I cast it once this weekend to blow up a Mentor and Snapcaster Mage, but goofed on the damage distribution and could have safely killed a Monk too.
Not sure about New Thalia, but if she had a home in Maverick I have to think it would be in GWb, not Punishing.
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Originally Posted by sanderanders
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Yeah, the "custom" token was kind of a no-brainer as soon as I started playing this card.
Abrupt Decay is a great Magic card but I don't think there is enough Black mana to reliably play it in this version. I honestly haven't played Decay much in Maverick (even when I played GWb) so I can't really evaluate it in the context of the deck.
I agonized over which version to build for about a month. I ended up on Punishing Maverick after reading your blog and seeing Fabian Gorzgen do well with it. I have been looking forward to reading about your Worcester results. Grats on your awesome finish!Quote:
Originally Posted by Seraphix
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Yeah, the "custom" token was kind of a no-brainer as soon as I started playing this card.
Abrupt Decay is a great Magic card but I don't think there is enough Black mana to reliably play it in this version. I honestly haven't played Decay much in Maverick (even when I played GWb) so I can't really evaluate it in the context of the deck.
I never have issues to get the black mana, i play 1 BOP, 4 DRS, 1 Scrubland and 1 Bayou. I didn't realize mana was the issue, i thought you just didn't like Abrupt Decay too much.
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To clarify one thing-I don't play a Punishing Fire version because I believe it to be "better" than GWb. I play it out of personal preference/playstyle. GWb has some notable advantages including better game 1 against combo, smoother manabase (and is also a much better Cradle deck, a card I think is very strong in Maverick), and access to discard and Zealous Persecution in the sideboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by sanderanders
It should be possible to build a truly 4-color version (anyone remember the Punishing lists with Geist of Saint Traft?) but it sounds too greedy for me to try. If I look at my current manabase, dropping the basic Plains for a Scrubland and mixing up the fetches/mana dorks a little should be able to enable Black spells in the 75. Maybe throw in a copy of Loam to smooth things out. Again, I have never tried this.
[Video/Podcast] Legacy's Allure - Ep. 17, Maverick with Tom Herzog
Hey everyone! New Legacy's Allure episode is available. This time we're talking Maverick and fighting the fair fight with Tom Herzog. This episode was really fun to record so we hope you enjoy it!
Webcast: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CHzeWOi3yiE
Podcast: http://shoutengine.com/LegacysAllure...m-herzog-21347
As always, check it out on iTunes also!
Thanks for sharing the podcast/YouTube link. Always fun to see some Maverick love and that Tom is still around. When it went out in fashion - after its dominance in, what, circa 2010-2012 - I picked up the deck and fielded in it a bunch of local tourneys and IQ's. I had a few small Top 8's to my name with the deck. Seems like by 2014 people were surprised the deck still existed, and that they were further surprised that the deck would beat some of the newer, sexier decks entering the scene (e.g., Team America, Miracles, etc.) Honestly if it weren't for Miracles - and to a lesser extent, Elves - I think the deck would be perfectly fine and arguably one of the decks to beat in the format. Be that as it may, I have a few deck-evolving questions for everyone - this with respect to the GWb version:
* I've always run a 4:1 DRS:Noble split - that was the tried and true way Tom ran it, as did I. However, I've considered going 3:2 or even 2:3 (i.e. more Nobles) than DRS because of the necessity of hitting a T2 3-drop like THC. Also, it doesn't weaken KotR as much as DRS eating your own lands. What are people's experiences in terms of their current DRS:Noble split?
* Are people liking 0, 1, or 2 Sylvan Library mainboard? I used to run 2 mainboard but I've scaled it back due to the speed and explosiveness of Eldrazi.
* How many T,GoT are people fielding these days? It seems like 3 or 4 was the mainstay. I've always run 4 but I am considering backing off to 3. Yes/no?
* Thoughts on the new Thalia, Heretic Cathar? From reading the DnT forums people seem pretty high on her. I think she could be an excellent addition to the deck and with a big first strike body and exalted triggers from Nobles and Qasali could dish out serious punishment.
As an aside, has anyone given serious consideration to running stock GW again? A while back the deck evolved into the Punishing version (GWr) and Abzan version (GWb) to fight off fair and unfair decks, respectively. However, with the new Thalia, if she is the real deal, she could be a consistent answer to both fair and unfair decks without needing a 3rd color. This would allow better mana consistency (only 2 colors) and also allow us to play some of our old fun lands and tech cards, particularly Maze of Ith and Dueling Ground in the SB. Thoughts?
One thing I like about new Thalia in Maverick is we can drop her T2, something that DNT cant do with their "stock" lists. Given ththe choice I would most likely drop old Thalia before the new one with both in hand. But having that option to drop heretical t2 on the play seems pretty good.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheoryCraft
Went 2-0-1 last night and 4-0 tonight with my above list. I'm really liking the 2 Scavenging Ooze. Probably going to play the deck in our Quarterly Moxen event -2 Stoneforge, -1 Sword of Light and Shadow, +3 Thalia, Heretic Cathar. I think she might be insane. The deck seems pretty well positioned against Eldrazi. Thalia probably improves it even more.
Hey,
im brewing for a few days now and cant wait for Thalia HC
here are 2 lists im trying to test the next weeks:
my meta is full of Miracles/Aggro Loam/Eldrazi
straight G/W like in the old days - cutting SFM and jamming only 2 Jittes (works fine for me in the past..)
4 Savannah
2 Forrest
1 Plains
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Wasteland
1 Gaeas Cradle
1 Karakas
5 Fetchland
1 Maze of Ith
2 Cavern of Souls
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Mother of Runes
2 Qasal Pridemage
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scrybranger
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3/4 Thalia GoT
2/3 Thalia HC
4 Green Suns Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawas Jitte
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Elspeth, Knight Errant
Sideboard would look something like this
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Dueling Grounds
1 Choke
2 Path to Exile
1 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Pithing Needle
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Engineered Explosives
2 Krosan Grip
2 Surgical Extraction
1 Winter Orb
G/Wb
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Gaeas Cradle
2 Forrest
1 Plains
6 Fetchland
1 Dryad Arbor
4 Deathrite Shaman
1 Noble Hierarch
3 Mother of Runes
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Qasal Pridemage
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Thalia, GoT
1 Scrybranger
2 Thalia, HC
4 Green Suns Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawas Jitte
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Life from the Loam
Sideboard
3 Thoughtseize
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Choke
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Containment Priest
2 Pithing Needle
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Krosan Grip
1 Abrupt Decay
i would love to get some feedback from you guys :smile:
Skizz, your GW and GWb deck lists look extremely similar to what I've been envisioning. I will try to get in some playtesting this weekend and report in as well.