[Deck] GW/x Maverick

I did pretty decently with Maverick at SCG Indy Open yesterday to a Top8 finish, probably just luck though :P

Rnd 1: UWr Miracles (2-0) Larson, Mark T
Rnd 2: UWr Miracles (0-2) Binek, Alex ----- I punted g1 :/
Rnd 3: Foily Merfolk (2-1) Muir, Scott D
Rnd 4: Hivemind (2-0) Wall, Keith ----- Lasted 10min, and got lunch... finally.
Rnd 5: Rug Delver (2-0) Lark, Brian F
Rnd 6: Rug Delver (2-0) Stowe, Jeremy
Rnd 7: Esperblade (2-1) Uppal, Justin A
Rnd 8: OmniShow (2-1) Edgerle, Nick L
Top 8: OmniShow (0-2) Krohlow, Sam J

Would have been content with any other matchup in the top8, but that's just how it goes sometimes.
Might just go for some more blue next time, grave hate will likely be retooled to be less narrow, or just less.

/respek/

Good job Tony!

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Originally Posted by DrHealex

I did pretty decently with Maverick at SCG Indy Open yesterday to a Top8 finish, probably just luck though :P

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Well done. May I ask you about your SB plans vs Delver RUG and Goblins? I usualy have problems against them. I started running Batterskull and more SFM again.

And what about SnT Decks (especially Omniscience) ? How do you beat those without ORing? Only Manadenial and Thalia?

Nice job!

How'd you beat Hive Mind that quickly? He go for Show & Tell into Emrakul and you had KoTR both times?

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Originally Posted by Esper3k

Nice job!

How'd you beat Hive Mind that quickly? He go for Show & Tell into Emrakul and you had KoTR both times?

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Nothing that fun.
Won the Die Roll and went First.
G1:
Me: I play fetch get forest, and play Noble Hierarch.
Him: ancient tomb, grim monolith.
Me: wastland, thalia, blow up him tomb.
Him: pass
Me: Knight, swing 3.
Him: Discard emrakul (thus putting him on hivemind)
Me: play maze of ith, swing for 5 11111with knight, untap after dmg (JUUUDGE), i think i played another knight.
Him: Draw a card -> Scoop

G2: He mulls to 4 -_-
Him: Island
Me: Green source, noble hierarch
Him: Volcanic Island
Me: Thalia, wasteland
Him: Pass
Me: Ethersworn Canonist, Mother of Ruins
Him: Pass
Me swing, knight.
Him: Scoop

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Well done. May I ask you about your SB plans vs Delver RUG and Goblins? I usualy have problems against them. I started running Batterskull and more SFM again.

And what about SnT Decks (especially Omniscience) ? How do you beat those without ORing? Only Manadenial and Thalia?

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VS. Delver
+1 jitte, +1 path to exile, +1 garruk relentless, +1 linvala
-1 teeg, -1 elspeth, -2 Qasali Pridemage
VS gobos would be similar but -3 thalia instead of pmage, and leave in elspeth.

VS. omnishow
+1 linvala, +1 metamorph, +1 harmonic sliver, + 2 ethersworn canonist, +1 crop rotation, +1 karakas, +1 teeg
-5 removal, -1 stoneforge mystic, -1 jitte, -1 sword

Oring would be nice, but I was banking on avoiding the matchup. Karakas doesnt do anything when they land the enchantment.. and they always seem to have it for their show and tell -_-

Nicely done. :)
What was your list, and what would you change?

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Originally Posted by Asthereal

Nicely done. :)
What was your list, and what would you change?

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Can not answer the second part but here is the deck lists from StarCityGames.com Legacy Open - Indianapolis
http://www.thecouncil.es/tcdecks/dec...7&iddeck=68393

I've come to the conclusion that for the time being we should be playing Stoneforge Mystic. That card is just insane in the Goblins matchup and the miracles matchup. I use Sword of Fire and Ice (Jitte obv) right now, and it's performing rather well. For a while Stoneforge Mystic was terrible, but right now it's pretty well positioned. RUG isn't as good now due to Miracles and i feel it's more important to be trying to beat Miracles than RUG. At least with all the Miracles we don't have to play mirror's all day am i rite'!

Just wondering if anyone else is getting similar results?

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Originally Posted by Stoyrm

I've come to the conclusion that for the time being we should be playing Stoneforge Mystic. That card is just insane in the Goblins matchup and the miracles matchup. I use Sword of Fire and Ice (Jitte obv) right now, and it's performing rather well. For a while Stoneforge Mystic was terrible, but right now it's pretty well positioned. RUG isn't as good now due to Miracles and i feel it's more important to be trying to beat Miracles than RUG. At least with all the Miracles we don't have to play mirror's all day am i rite'!

Just wondering if anyone else is getting similar results?

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While I agree, that Equipment is particulary strong in the Tribal-MU I do not understand, why any equipment besides Batterskull is good vs Miracle. I am not so much into Maverick, but I played Miracle for a while.

So, why is like SoFaI and other Non-Skull-Equipments bad against Miracles? At first, they are slow. You need to cast your Mystic, you need to bring it in, you need to equip it. When you have equipped it, the Miracleplayer can just flip Top and Terminus your creature away. Well, nothing new, right? But, you invested so much time, and so much Mana in a terminusable creature. It's just like... you know.. tapping all your lands for like 3 turns to cast one threat, one threat that is terminusable.

I said it earlier, and I will say it again - if you want to beat Miracles, you'd be better of playing something like a second Teeg Mainboard and/or some Planeswalkers like Garruk, Elspeth...

Greetings

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Originally Posted by Einherjer

While I agree, that Equipment is particulary strong in the Tribal-MU I do not understand, why any equipment besides Batterskull is good vs Miracle. I am not so much into Maverick, but I played Miracle for a while.

So, why is like SoFaI and other Non-Skull-Equipments bad against Miracles? At first, they are slow. You need to cast your Mystic, you need to bring it in, you need to equip it. When you have equipped it, the Miracleplayer can just flip Top and Terminus your creature away. Well, nothing new, right? But, you invested so much time, and so much Mana in a terminusable creature. It's just like... you know.. tapping all your lands for like 3 turns to cast one threat, one threat that is terminusable.

I said it earlier, and I will say it again - if you want to beat Miracles, you'd be better of playing something like a second Teeg Mainboard and/or some Planeswalkers like Garruk, Elspeth...

Greetings

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SoLS is pretty amazing against Miracles. Not only does it protect your guys from StP, but if you get it onto Teeg, they pretty much can't win the game without you walking Teeg into double Snapcaster or something.

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Originally Posted by Einherjer

While I agree, that Equipment is particulary strong in the Tribal-MU I do not understand, why any equipment besides Batterskull is good vs Miracle. I am not so much into Maverick, but I played Miracle for a while.

So, why is like SoFaI and other Non-Skull-Equipments bad against Miracles? At first, they are slow. You need to cast your Mystic, you need to bring it in, you need to equip it. When you have equipped it, the Miracleplayer can just flip Top and Terminus your creature away. Well, nothing new, right? But, you invested so much time, and so much Mana in a terminusable creature. It's just like... you know.. tapping all your lands for like 3 turns to cast one threat, one threat that is terminusable.

I said it earlier, and I will say it again - if you want to beat Miracles, you'd be better of playing something like a second Teeg Mainboard and/or some Planeswalkers like Garruk, Elspeth...

Greetings

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Equipment is good against board-control decks (except maybe Deed-based ones,) because equipment makes each creature a massive threat, allowing you to slow-roll your threats and negating the power of cards like Terminus.

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Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin

Equipment is good against board-control decks (except maybe Deed-based ones,) because equipment makes each creature a massive threat, allowing you to slow-roll your threats and negating the power of cards like Terminus.

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I agree with this under a few circumstances:
1) You have to be able to drop a new creature every turn.
2) You are not threatened by a fast Eot-kill.

Both isn't true for the Miracle-MU. Equipment costs time/tempo. And when there is a Counterbalance-Lock set up, they will just counter most of our creatures. They can't counter the endless armies of tokens that came onto the battlefield via Planeswalkers. Now, if they are like countering every second threat and removing the rest for a little time, they can just say fuck you- ill just spam Angels EoT and you're dead.

I still insist on more Teegs + Planeswalkers to be the solution, and by no means, Equipments.

EDIT: And yeah, arguing with Teeg + SoLaS + already equipped is just out of touch with reality.

Greetings

Really? I don't usually find Teeg + SoLS that hard to set up especially when you have Moms/Karakas to protect him for awhile until you can get out the SoLS.

Plus, it's not like Miracles is going to quickly get out Planeswalkers or Angel tokens (or if they're going for early Angels, they're doing it wrong).

SFM being slow isn't much of an issue against Miracles since they're even slower than Maverick can ever be.

I'm still not sold on SFM and equipment against Miracle decks. Sure, equipment can be good against them, but where do you find the room to fit in your sideboard cards, while keeping your SFM package at the same time? Here's a question for anyone who wants to take it. What do you think is the ideal list of 60 cards against UW Miracles post sideboard (only for games two and three)? And also what cards in the maindeck do your board out for this matchup?

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Originally Posted by Justin

I'm still not sold on SFM and equipment against Miracle decks. Sure, equipment can be good against them, but where do you find the room to fit in your sideboard cards, while keeping your SFM package at the same time? Here's a question for anyone who wants to take it. What do you think is the ideal list of 60 cards against UW Miracles post sideboard (only for games two and three)? And also what cards in the maindeck do your board out for this matchup?

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Well the first cards you should be cutting against Miracles should be Swords to Plowshares and PtE (if you're playing a list that maindecks it).

Really depends on your list and how many cards you're bringing in from the sideboard.

Best cards against them imo are Teeg, Sylvan Library, Planeswalkers (Elspeth more than Garruck). Post board, I still like Armageddon these days. I even considered going back to old tech of running 1x Lightning Greaves to tutor up with SFM.

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Originally Posted by Justin

I'm still not sold on SFM and equipment against Miracle decks. Sure, equipment can be good against them, but where do you find the room to fit in your sideboard cards, while keeping your SFM package at the same time? Here's a question for anyone who wants to take it. What do you think is the ideal list of 60 cards against UW Miracles post sideboard (only for games two and three)? And also what cards in the maindeck do your board out for this matchup?

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I think it's really difficult to answer you without a reference decklist.
For example i side in only 2 Armageddon and 1 Gaddock Teeg (1 MD) removing 3 Swords to Plowshares. I would like to have some PW in side for miracle 's MU but i haven't find room for them, for 1-2 PW i think i would additionally side-out the 4th StP and/or 1-2 Jitte...

Scavenging Ooze is also pretty bad in the matchup, so if you need more cards to take out, those are what I usually hit next after StP.

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What do you think is the ideal list of 60 cards against UW Miracles post sideboard (only for games two and three)? And also what cards in the maindeck do your board out for this matchup?

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Creatures:
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Noble Hierarch
4 Mother of Runes
2 Sylvan Safekeeper
4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
3 Qasali Pridemage
2 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Gaddock Teeg
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Eternal Witness /26

Spells:
4 Green Sun's Zenith
2 Sylvan Library
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
2 Oblivion Ring
2 Elspeth, Knight-Errant /12

Lands:
4 Savannah
3 Forest
1 Plains
4 Windswept Heath
2 Misty Rainforest
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Gaea's Cradle
4 Wasteland /22

Something like this?
I personally don't play the Elspeths anymore since I focus on Teeg too much. Not being able to play Zeniths is bad enough. I don't want to get stuck with Elspeths in my hand too. Still, Elspeth is awesome against Miracles if we cannot make a Teeg stick.
Main deck cards that go are: Ooze, Swords to Plowshares, Maze of Ith, Scryb Ranger (although that guy might still be handy sometimes).

Elspeth against Miracle is pretty risky since they usually splash red for SB REB and have Sulfur Elemental for the Maverick MU, Garruck the Veil Cursed is a much better card in the MU with the tutor effect to trade your Dryad Arbor or 5th turn Hierarch for a Gaddock Teeg or Sylvan Safekeeper while making 1/1s that trade with angels or random fatties against other decks!

Elspeth is much stronger after a board wipe though, they have to deal with her or she's going to take over the game real quick.

That and when did miracles start running sulfur elemental, every list I've seen only runs R for REB in the mirror