So vs. what MUs did you want to run Ruric Thar..? And when did you plan to drop it on the field..?
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So vs. what MUs did you want to run Ruric Thar..? And when did you plan to drop it on the field..?
Original plan was for storm and similar combo decks, where you can disrupt them early, and a few turns later they save up more gas and still go off. So disrupt then race to ruric, they literally can't win.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Additionally he comes in vs miracles, where if he doesn't get countered it's at the very least 6 damage (also legendary, keep karakas up for removal)
And against fair decks. Jund, mirror, hate bears. Big dude, tough to kill, blocks fliers.
Brought him in vs aggro loam. They're not punishing firing that.
Would probably bring him in vs shardless too. Late game ender.
And you think that 6 discard spells and a Gaddock Teeg is enough to keep you alive until you have the 7 mana you need to GSZ for Ruric Thar vs. ANT/TES..? Or do you plan to pop Veteran Explorers vs. ANT/TES..? We've already established that Slaughter Games, a 4 mana card, is too slow vs. ANT/TES, why would a 6 or 7 mana card be quick enough? I'm really curious about your train of thought here.
Vs. Miracles - 6 damage as best case scenario, big whoop. It's a creature, it isn't something they have any difficulty dealing with.
Do you actually play magic? Or you just enjoy being a contrarian?Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Yes, slaughter games is too slow on it's own, but not if it follows up a disruption or 2 and/or a surgical.
Yes I plan to pop veterans against ant/tes.
Yes I'll ramp to 6/7 for ruric and win rather than trying to drop and army of various dudes that won't kill them before they draw into a win.
Yes going card for card with miracles and dealing them 6 in the process is something I'm happy to do.
I'll also use slaughter games against miracles/elves/nicfit and even decks like sneak and show to follow up other disruption
Oh, this isn't the Pokemon board? Hmm...Quote:
Originally Posted by 4554551//
Lol I'll stop feeding the troll now. Enjoy popping Veteran Explorers and trying to ramp to 6/7 mana vs. ANT/TES. You crack me up. Let us know how that works out for you.
Don't forget to put on a coat when going outside though - it might be nippy in Magical Christmas Land.
I wouldn't use him against Shardless. All you need to do to beat them is out value them, that's their biggest weakness. I've literally never lost a round to Shardless and only infrequently one to Jund (very similar decks). Maybe it's my approach, but really I think it's just the fact that this deck plays the attrition game very well, especially when you focus on it. Living the dream for control decks is to draw 2 cards a turn and make land drops. Properly set up we can draw 3 cards a turn, make land drops, and drop 2 creatures per turn. When things get really crazy, I've been known to draw 5 a turn, multiple turns in a row, while still playing cards. It is Shardless BUG's literal worst nightmare. If you draw enough cards that do things, their whole deck falls apart.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4554551//
That said, I find it pretty difficult to get to 6 to GSZ a Sigarda, trying to cast Ruric or worse, GSZ him in seems less than ideal. Rather than trying to race to get a Ruric Thar down against Storm (which they can in theory bounce) I would rather hit them enough that they don't have the life total to Ad Nauseam. It's not a great plan, but I think it's better than relying on a 6 drop you can't cheat in.
Try looking at Pod back in the glory days of Modern. Fuel your mana with Vet/DRS, T2 Pods, and A LOT of creatures that have 2 lives. Then pay the format tax that says you must be able to deal with fast uninteractive decks in order to be successful.Quote:
Originally Posted by AtticusBlaqk
I've done a lot of theory work on Pod and what you need at each spot on the curve. I would aim for more value and less toolboxing, because in this format you won't have room for both. Remember, you have to be able to function without a Pod on the board.
I would aim for a general deck skeleton of:
22 lands
19 spells (including Pod)
20 creatures
And run 61 cards. Lands are simple enough so I'll skip them. In your spells it probably looks like
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Birthing Pod
2 Path to Exile
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Misc tutor (GSZ, Altar of Bone, Chord, Intent, etc)
4 Extra removal/discard (Path, Decay, Golgari Charm, Deed, Thoughtseize, etc)
Creatures probably looks something like
1 - 7
2 - 4
3 - 4
4 - 3
5 - 2
Given that skeleton, coming from someone who played Melira Pod from start to finish in Modern I would play this for my creature suite
4 Vet
2 DRS
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
2 Voice
1 Pridemage
1 Ooze
2 Finks
1 Witness
1 Spike Feeder
1 Rhino
1 Ranger of Eos
1 Resto
1 Shriekmaw
1 Thune
I'm not saying you have to copy my list 100% or even at all, just trying to give some indication of where your choices in card slots are competing if you want to have something functional in Legacy.
@Brael: Wouldn't Reclamation Sage be preferable over Pridemage in a Pod-list since you can Pod it into a 4-drop after you've resolved the EtB trigger?
It depends on your curve. Sage is better in that it sticks around after doing it's thing, but it's worse in that you only have so many 3 slots. Less noticed though is that Pridemage gives exalted, that's actually something worth having at times (and Ranger provides it as well if you make some dorks Hierarchs). If you stack exalted, your medium sized guys are suddenly able to go toe to toe with Anglers and Rhinos. and it makes your battlefield much stronger. Another issue is that, if you're willing to give up the pod Chain you can get Pridemage down preemptively and have him swing a bit, then activate him later, or pod him out if the threat has passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
For example you can have him on the board threatening to disrupt some Chalices, Blood Moon's, Counterbalances, etc... while you work on getting to 5 for Angel. Once you don't need the threat you can turn him into Feeder and win the game. With Sage it's all reactive.
We're running with a very different land count and focus.
Gsz into titania is my typical turn 4-5 play. Struggling to Gsz for 6 only happens against decks like grixis delver with wasteland/stifle/daze shenanigans. Perhaps hate bears and such.
There also feels like there is this idea that if something isn't the perfect magical card it's not worth mentioning. Rather than saying this is a card that's better than the stuff you're taking out against a variety of matchups.
Sure, ruric isn't ideal vs shardless. I'd still rather it then spare witnesses that wouldn't return anything over the shamans, the recurring nightmare, half the crud that gets hit by their abrupt and so on. In terms of what goes in and out vs certain decks, having an extra bit of top end is what I'm after. Where others may run sigarda or dromoka, I'm testing ruric
@Square_two or 45545451515, can you explain to me what exactly happened here?
"G3 a bit of disruption and turn 5 he shows in emrakul, I show in titania. He swings, I sac lands, make dudes, counter swing."
He shows in emrakul, how does he get to attack before you? If he swung how did you get to sac lands to the anihilator trigger and to titantia? Did you just miss type? It make sense if he shows in emrakul and you Titania and then eot you make lots of dudes and attack on your turn before he gets to attack. Which is still really sweet. Apologies if I'm missing something.
@Echelon, lol, I think you try and cultivate that reputation you want for yourself a bit too hard. Also, you sideboard out veterans against storm?
How do you beat storm?Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Yes, I'm an asshole for pointing out that a 6/7 mana answer to deal with something as fast as Storm is a stupid idea. How dare I suggest that it wouldn't work!Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
I board out 3 Explorers out of 4. Giving ANT/TES 2 extra mana isn't something I want to do on a regular basis.
Barely. My record vs. Storm sucks balls. Postboard I've got 7/8 discard, 3 (2 mana) hatebears, 2 Surgical and 3 MD DRS. I suppose 4 GSZ could be counted as hatebear/GY hate. It's still nothing more than a hail Mary though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dissection
I'm assuming that the S&S player cast Show and Tell, putting in Emrakul while our Nic Fit guy put in Titania, then passed turn. Nic Fit doesn't have to attack, just make sure that he's got plenty of land to sacrifice. Show and Tell player doesn't understand Titania properly, and swings out with Emrakul, which leads to many lands going into the grave and a crackback lethal attack with the reslulting 5/3 army. Definitely a missplay on the Show and Tell player's part. It's nice having a green creature capable of keeping Emrakul at bay that is also just decent in general (unlike...Stingerfling Spider).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
I think the main thing people don't realize about Storm is that you need both disruption + clock. Heck, I've had both Teeg and Chalice out, and Storm has proceeded to go off - only thing saved me was a sandbagged instant in my hand. Smart Storm players can play through a LOT of hate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Probably a reason why I've been seeing more Spirit of the Labyrinth in sideboards. Creatures that have built in disruption like her, Teeg, Thalia are the best you can have on board.
Oh yeah, and if you screw up a Cabal Therapy, you are probably screwed :laugh:
Personally I've found that a Teeg with a Sword of Fire and Ice is quite effective.
@Square_two, ha yea my bad, sorry. I misrememebred what Titania does. That makes perfect sense and is hilarious.
@Echelon, lol, maybe I misinterpreted you, maybe you aren't trying XD
I have a pretty good 50/50 or better matchup against storm, and I've played it quite a lot online. The way I play it is they can beat you by generating an early mana advantage with rituals before you can interact enough and by comboing you out with a lethal combination of cards (duh).
So I want to therapy as much as I can and interact as much as I can and establish a clock (duh), to do that you need mana. Veteran aids two of those fronts giving you something to turn your cabal therapies into double discard (while being mana efficient at only one mana as opposed to two) and gives you mana so you can interact plenty of times in the first 2-3 crucial turns of the game.
Giving them mana doesnt change the dynamics much, they still need the rituals in hand to up their storm count with or without extra lands.
So I guess I question what you are sacrificing to your therapies against them if you only have 4 Gsun's and one vet (and no sfm?)? It seems preferable to make that aspect of the game plan more consistent so you can therapy them turn 1, land a vet and sac turn 2 and then play more discard or a hatebear or both and pass the turn.
My sideboarding usually looks something like
+2 TS (two are main deck)
+3 surgical
+2 Spirit of the Labia (or some other anti combo bear)
+1 Gaddock teeg
+2 engineered plague
-4 decay
-4 stp
-1 Sigarda
-1 Tusk
Keeping in SFM to sac to therapies, turn bears into large clocks and BSK can be top end and also out race goblin tokens.
I think that SFM builds probably fare better against storm than other non-BUG lists (cause BUG gets some sweet tools) thanks to this. When you can equip Teeg or Spirit of the Labyrinth, it changes the whole dynamic of the game and puts you way ahead. I have way less experience than Jain_Mor here but I feel like I board similarly and have comparable results.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
I don't try, I just do :wink:.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
@Echelon, Those paragraphs on storm sideboarding and their respective questions were directed at you :)
Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
I know. No time now, answering that tomorrow :)
Sorry, I was unclear on the titania explanation. Yes, he show and tells and lands emrakul while I get titania. He passes turn, I don't do much in mine. In his he swings and I sacrifice lands for titania tokens.
Again, if no one cares about event reports, just say so, I enjoy reading other peoples so assume others do too.
For storm I usually go
-1 titan
-1 thragtusk
-1 meren
-2 tracker
-1 garruk
-1 abrupt
-1 recurring nightmare
+2 Duress (would like a TS in board too here)
+3 surgical
+2 slaughter games
+1 ruric
Trying to therapy/extract their infernal tutor usually. Strip hand best I can, then race for ruric.
What do you guys go for as priority therapy/slaughter games targets?
I actually like a couple Tidehollow Scullers. Against the decks we usually want to disrupt we need a combination of disruption and a clock. Sculler provides both and the decks we're bringing it in against rarely have the removal to kill it. Downside is you can't TS/Duress+Extraction.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4554551//
Some do run abrupt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
Also nice to witness the duress/Ts and go again
Though not only does sculler provide a clock, it goes against chalice.. Interesting
I'm heavily biased towards just hitting my opponent in the face with this deck since we have the mana to pay for spells with bodies attached. Moderate disruption, moderate clock/board presence, high CA is the formula I use.Quote:
Originally Posted by 4554551//
If they Decay the Tidehollow it just turns on Witness and sometimes Glissa to get it back.
I'll sacrifice pretty much anything to CT as long as it isn't a hatebear. It could be a DRS if I have a hatebear to replace it, it could be an Eternal Witness, it could be as simple as fetch for Dryad Arbor. Vs. ANT I tend to name Infernal Tutor on the first blind Therapy, vs. TES I tend to name Dark Ritual (since they run a lot more tutors).Quote:
Originally Posted by Jain_Mor
I usually manage to stick a first couple of problem cards, but fail to close the game. I tend to whiff on gas vs. ANT/TES (even though I've still got the full set of Rhinos postboard).
Unless absolutely necessary I would caution against sacrificing either DRS or Arbor to an early CT. You won't beat Storm unless you curve out with some bodies+spells, and giving up your mana production really screws that up.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
Here's my list I use online to some moderate success, I enjoy it but can always use tweaking.
lands: 22
4x windswept heaths
3x wooded foothills (should obv be verdants, but don't have. doesn't make TOO much of a dif 95% of the time.)
3x forest
2x swamp
2x plains
1x karakas
1x volrath's stronghold
1x phyrexian tower
1x dryad arbor
1x bayou
2x savannah
1x scrubland
creatures: 16
4x veteran explorer
1x death-rite shaman
1x scavenging ooze
1x eternal witness
1x tireless tracker
1x Nissa, vastwood seer
1x reclamation sage
1x meren
2x siege rhino
1x sigarda
1x thragtusk
1x armada wurm
non-creature spells: 22
4x cabal therapy
4x green sun's zenith
3x abrupt decay
2x swords to plowshares
1x maelstrom pulse (prob needs to be vindicate, but don't have.)
1x painful truths
enchantments:
2x pernicious deed
1x sylvan library
artifacts:
2x diving top
planeswalkers:
1x garruk, primal hunter
1x sorin, lord of innistrad
sideboard:
3x thoughtseize
2x surgical
1x gaddock teeg
1x thrun
1x reclamation sage
2x dryad militant
2x choke
1x StP
1x toxic deluge
1x golgari charm
The cards that aren't standard that I've really been enjoying -
1. Nissa
she's not great at attack or blocking, but she's really great at helping make sure you hit your land drops. I was a firm believer in 6 basics before, but with her in there you need that extra forest or you find yourself without anything to fetch far too often. late game she becomes "draw 2 cards a turn" with her + and her minus, while not ALWAYS relevant, sometimes a 4/4 is good enough to just get there.
Armada Wurm
he's my preferred 6 drop of choice. It may be unnecessary, but I just really enjoy having that one big thing on the top end to go and get to help lock down games. Yes Sigarda is still just better in a LOT of cases, but really 10 trample power for 6 mana is hard to argue against
Garruk, Primal Hunter
This one has given me slightly more mixed results? Sometimes you'll clear each other's board and jump plopping one down and pumping out 3/3s every turn just gets there. I think its awesome for that to be his plus, and in a pinch he's just 5 mana draw X. Sometimes he's worthless when you have nothing on your board to really stop a 3/2 delver from flying overhead at him. I enjoy him/more planeswalkers in general as I think they're our best advantage of playing a 'big mana' deck as they're usually a bit harder to remove.
My last league online I went 3-2 losing a couple close games to misplays (I don't consider myself super familiar with legacy tbh, only just started playing again after a two year break and am having to learn the ins and outs of playing against certain matchups)
The hardest decks to beat (for me at least) have so far been:
combo (Storm is slightly easier than sneak/show)
Mono Red
Eldrazi
I think combo is just always going to be a bad matchup no matter what for us, but the things ive considered to try and even it out a little bit are -
dryad arbor for the gy based ones. its a neat little creature that exiles instants/sorceries and is easily gsz on turn 2. Its not...amazing, but its something. its also OKAY against dredge because it'll get rid of their dread returns, and miracles because sometimes just creature density is better / makes it harder for them to snap stuff back.
Mono-red feels like it shouldn't be a hard matchup at all, but sometimes it is? I think its probably closer to 50:50 and I just haven't played it enough for the variance to even out. What I'm considering for this one as well as eldrazi is something similar - more rhinos. rhino seems like your best card against them by a lot, as it gets around eidolon / any burn they have and immediately gains you 3 life and blocks / trades for at least 2-for-1 usually if they want to get rid of it. 3-4 rhinos may be best. other considerations are either a small stoneforge package/just jitte because that card is also p. hard for them to beat
Eldrazi - I think getting a vindicate here will help, as well as - you guessed it - more rhinos. it blocks everything really well except the smashers, and even those if you double block they can only kill one thing because of the extra behind. They can just be super aggressive sometimes though and it can be hard to stabilize I feel. Toxic deluge - good or bad against them? I feel like losing 5 life or whatever to try and clear off their board doesn't feel worth it, but I could be wrong.
Just some random thoughts / ramblings to go with my decklist, what do you guys think? I'll try and keep a better record of how my games play out the next time I start up a league / next Wednesday.
If by mono red you mean burn, it's very poor game 1. If you can SB out your vets for other mana acceleration it gets a little better in games 2 and 3. They can go under you very effectively though and vets just enable them. The biggest constraint Burn has is in getting the mana soon enough to kill you and when you pop a Veteran Explorer you're giving them the means to deal 10 to you right then and there (2x bolt, 1x fireblast) befor your Therapy even resolves, it's very difficult to come back from but at the same time if you don't pop Vets they're going to go under you. This is why it's important to have DRS and Arbor/GSZ as alternative ramp sources.Quote:
Originally Posted by Corgimancer
Vets just become dead cards, even if you don't pop it and intend to use it as a blocker it effectively turns Searing Blaze into a 0 mana deal 3.
The best card you can have against them is Pridemage/Reclamation Sage. Pridemage comes down before Eidolon on the play and kills it without you taking damage, it also beats it in combat on attack. Sage is similar. You can also GSZ for them at X=3 to bump your GSZ up to 4 and dodge the Eidolon trigger. If they don't have an Eidolon they also deal with Sulfuric Vortex, or Ensnaring Bridge if the player misjudges their role. Eidolon is their best card against you, as it typically is against everyone.
Rhinos can help but they're slow, especially because you need to reduce your mana acceleration in the match. It's important to lower your curve significantly. With the loss of Vets you have to lean heavier on dual lands, but duals mean getting wrecked by Price of Progress. So what you're trying to do is operate off of basics in the 3 mana range. If you have Finks they're fantastic. Don't forget that DRS pulls double duty in the match, not just being a mana source but it also gives lifegain. Aggressively trade and then eat any creature that dies. Courser does a lot of work here, it's big enough to block, it gains life, and it's more common to include than Finks is, it also opens up using fetches more easily.
@Arianrhod, did you every try any brews with Lotus Cobra? Or Daze :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Or have any examples of the old Landfall builds? There is hardly any mention of Cobra on this thread so perhaps the idea is older than I expected.
I was just thinking about some ways to abuse the little guy. Tracker obviously also gets value from land drops as well.
The main issue is what @Bobmans has brought up before:
But I was thinking that both Cobra and Tracker can make Scapeshift useful before it becomes lethal. With Tracker out, even a meager Scapeshift can provide 4 clues and 4 mana to pop two of them. Seems like that would demand a response and get you back in the game if it resolves. With Cobra out, a Scapeshift for 4 lands becomes 8 available mana, enough to GSZ for Primeval Titan.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bobmans
Perhaps something could utilize self mill, Loam, and...Splendid Reclamation? Eh that seems way bad on its own.
Well...with Cobra out, and Scapeshift for 4...you get 8 available mana, then play Splendid Reclamation using 4. 4 lands come back into play, so you are back up to 8 available mana with 8 lands in play. Huh.
Even without Cobra, Scapeshift + Reclamation could basically double the number of lands you have on the field. That is peaking my interest a bit more. Do the jund scapeshift lists ever run Loam + stuff like Worm Harvest? A large graveyard could make Splendid Reclamation lethal just as Scapeshift is. Punishing Fire to handle DRS? Seems like it is worth exploring.
Lands from Scapeshift enter the battlefield tapped, sadly, so Shifting 4 lands for 4 others gives you 4 clues but no mana (unless you have Cobra).Quote:
Originally Posted by square_two
Scapeshift lists don't often run Loam because Dredging away a couple Mountains makes it really hard to combo kill people.
Very small sample, but I was able to scrounge up a couple random games against Grixis Tempo today. I went with my Monastery Mentor SB plan and it came together. It worked really well being able to go wide for Pyromancer tokens and have near infinite chumps of cards like Angler.
Cavern yet again played a huge role here in making counterspells bad.
Not yet sold on the plan, but if 2 Mentor/4 SDT is good enough for Miracles, I think it's good enough for me.
Hey everyone, I have been reading this thread for a few months now, but haven't really jumped in. I went 2-1-1 at tonight with a Rhino Fit deck, and my match vs. D&T (draw) was recorded. I will be doing a report soon, but wanted to post the link for people to view. I haven't watched yet, so I am sure I made a few errors, but hopefully everyone can learn from them.
Here is the recording:
https://www.twitch.tv/geekfortress/v/80737259
My match starts around 1:05.
Off to bed, but will try and post a decklist and tourney report in the coming days.
Neat, I saw a few sequencing errors though. A little before 1:33 you cast a a Vet with a Therapy in hand and the opponent at 1 card. The better sequencing in most scenarios is to cast Therapy first to clear the way. Even if you miss you clear it out because you'll follow it up with the Vet and then cast Therapy. The result is that the opponent never gets priority to kill the Vet, it's a small thing but matters a lot against StP decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by michaellefevre42
Earlier against the Jitte equippped Revoker a double block would have been a good idea as well. Basically the outcomes of a double block with your Vet/Token are:
Eat 2 removal spells, Jitte gets no counters, Revoker dies
Eat 1 removal spells, Jitte gets counters, Revoker dies
Eat 0 removal spells, Jitte gets counters, both creatures die, Revoker dies
In any scenario your Sorin gets online again. With just one blocker you ended up with the worst case scenario which was that Revoker lives with a removal spell. If you're going to go that route though, you should block with the token. That way if Vet dies it will be to Jitte which will trigger the Vet, with the Jitte blocker you turn on an opposing StP for exile value rather than simply removing something.
In game 2 you got greedy with duals. With a fetch opening, going basic Forest into Vet, then your Scrubland on T2 still gives you all 3 colors. With the wasteland you might lose your WB but that's not as bad as losing your green. Especially since you can force a board stall by putting 2 Vets on defense.
In game 2 I think you pulled the trigger on that Path too early, you gave the opponent a chance to accelerate out of their Cataclysm and you could take a few more hits. I assume the thinking was that they didn't have more basics, but with only 5 out I'm not so sure how correct that is. Maybe if the opponent sold it better by looking and failing to find, but just not looking suggests they wanted to keep basics in their deck (especially after the Cataclysm came down to explain it).
Howdy folks!
I posted a tournament report on RhinoFit over on the /r/MTGLegacy subreddit from a local benefit tournament that was ran in my area. I finished at a 4-2 record just shy of top 8 at 11th out of 40-ish people.
https://www.reddit.com/r/MTGLegacy/c...benefit_event/
Thanks for reading!
Thank you! Those are all great suggestions. I hope more people can post videos - I want to learn these little nuances and watching others play seems like the best way.Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
Thanks again, and (hopefully) a report is coming soon.
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My recent list i am testing. What do you Guys think? Preparing for a greater Legacy Tournament so every help would be welcome.
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Deathrite Shaman
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gadock Teeg
1 Nissa,Vastwood Seer
1 Eternal Witness
1 Meren
1 Siege Rhino
1 Thragtusk
1 Gitrog Monster
1 Sigarda, Host of Herons
1 Dragonloard Dromoka
3 Path to Exile
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Pernicious Deed
1 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
1 Garruk Relentless
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun`s Zenith
1 Painful Truths
3 Sensei Divining Top
1 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Forest
2 Plains
2 Swamp
1 Phyrexian TOwer
1 Volraths Stronghold
1 Karakas
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Windswept Heath
SB
1 Elspeth Sun`S Champion
1 Vraska
1 Sorin, Grim Nemesis
2 Carpet of FLowers
2 Thoughtseize
2 SUrgical Extraction
1 Krosan Grip
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Golgari Charm
1 Toxic Deluge
If you are expecting small creatures, Rhino Fit is fantastic. I'm probably the only person who plays the full four Rhinos, but holy crap they're an absolute beating to deal with. Also GSZ becomes a Lightning Bolt when your opponent is at a low life total.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dalton!
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@Dalton,
In regards to your list, I think it has been noted that Gitrog is sub-optimal in general, I would suggest more Rhinos in it's stead. Also personally do not like DL Doromka because of the preponderance of Karakas at least in my meta.
BTW the idea of armada wurm is great, its reminds me of broodmate dragon when I played jund fit.
@DLD, perhaps it is a matter of flavor or playstyle, but i never had a situation where i wanted to flip DLD out of GSZ over either Sigarda or Siege Rhino.
Looking at your build i'd personally replace Meren, Gitrog and DLD for more Rhino's. Also i am not to fond of a manabase with only 3 duals and 4 utility lands. Meren and Arbor have some beautiful synergy, but playing those scream for equipment.
Having that said, out of all the NicFit builds i would choose a Rhino's Abbondanza list when i want to go for results playing NicFit. That build is really so straight forward and streamlined. But often i find myself playing Jund NicFit just for the flavor.
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