[Deck] Zombardment

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Originally Posted by ottomanottoman

Does anyone think Grim Flayer could have a place in this deck? It wouldn't be too hard to get delerium on line with the bridges, he puts stuff we want in the graveyard and helps with the top of our deck, he can beat down pretty well, and he plays nice with bob for the decks that run him.

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No. If it were a zombie or had deathtouch, then maybe. One thing to consider with delerium is that opposing Tarmogoyfs will be very large (minimum 4/5 -- pretty awkward for your 4/4). That should be a concern for a deck with a bunch of creatures that can't block.

The zombie/Bloodghast recursion with Cabal Therapy and Innocent Blood is the strongest element of the deck. If someone asked me why Zombardment is a reasonable choice for a Legacy deck, that is what I would highlight.

Cryptbreaker would be worth testing in a build with Bridge from Below and maybe Buried Alive; otherwise, it will be difficult to get three zombies in play to activate the card drawing. I also like it with Mutavault in a build with fewer colors (and perhaps Contamination and Crucible of Worlds). I think Sylvan Library or Dark Confidant is going to be superior for card drawing, so that leaves us with Cryptbreaker's other ability. The discard effect is weaker than Pack Rat, and Pack Rat isn't played in this deck, so I doubt it would make the cut. That said, it at least has tribal relevance and would be good on a stalled board.

Has Buried Alive been played with much? With 2+ bloodghasts it seems very useful versus fair decks, despite the versatility of Entomb.

I've been enjoying Darkblast maindeck. If bombardment is available, dredging can quicken its becoming online versus topdecking. When Darkblast's -1/-1 or -2/-2 is useful (creature/grind matchups and elves) it's been a powerful tactic. For grindy games, even without bombardment, dredging can get quick power with the recursive creatures.

The -2 ability of Liliana, The Last Hope has unique application here, much like dredging does. Bombardment has some synergy with the +1 (combining damage and/or reducing toughness), so I wonder if she can ultimate more often than Lili Of Veil. Last Hope's ultimate is probably more threatening, so I'm eager to try her out.

My perspective may be less useful for builds with Faithless Looting and Entomb. My list for reference:

4 gravecrawler
4 deathrite shaman
3 dark confidant
2 carrion feeder
1 lotleth troll
1 bloodghast

8 discard (4 therapy, 3 seize, 1 inquisition)
4 abrupt decay
3 liliana of the veil
3 bitterblossom
2 goblin bombardment
1 umezawa's jitte
1 garruk relentless
1 kolaghan's command
1 darkblast
1 mirri's guile

11 fetches
3 swamp
3 badlands
2 bayou
1 forest

Some short replys, because i still like this deck

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Originally Posted by ESG

Cryptbreaker's other ability. The discard effect is weaker than Pack Rat, and Pack Rat isn't played in this deck, so I doubt it would make the cut. That said, it at least has tribal relevance and would be good on a stalled board.

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Thanks to "no block" theme, you can't stall the board unless you have some Lingering Souls Token (see the old build) and play against decks that can't pass the pesky 1/1 flyers. Sadly Cryptbreaker is only a 1/1 Dude that needs a lot of turns to be usefull, i would play Diregraf Colossus if you wan't something that (at least can) impact the field.

@glowparty

Buried Alive: First it do nothing (for 3 Mana), you simply put the cards into your yard, if it is Bloodghast you need at least a fetch, if its Zombie Stuff you need Zombies on the field etc. this deck has no spots for Buried Alive, for 3 Mana you get: Liliana, Kolaghan's Command or Lingering Souls which are stronger cards on its own.

Darkblast: Yes very good removal, unsure if it finds it place at Main, but thanks to (mainly) DnT Darkblast should be at your 75 pile of cards.

Liliana, The Last Hope: I guess "Last Hope" could work but have to fight with the common Liliana for her spot. Both are different, while the new one is much better vs DnT (Elves) etc the old one is stronger vs large single creatures (Eldrazi, Gofy etc) and you can use her vs Combo/Control. Both work well with the deck concept and cards like bombardment. I think Liliana of the Veil is still better, but if your meta is full of DnT or other fair decks with small dudes (Maverick, Infect, Elves etc.) than Liliana, The Last Hope can be a good choice. Should be pretty devastating if you mix in Bombardment and Darkblast.

For Buried Alive, any land in hand also gets Ghasts back immediately. Granted, it seems shitty to maindeck a Buried Alive for grindy matchups but board it out against those decks for fear of GY disruption.

Darkblast is also great against all delver, infect, and merfolk. Beyond that the card stands out in its seamless integration -some of which I mentioned- against these matchups.

While probably better against elves & grixis (due to pyromancer and his tokens), I question if Liliana, The Last Hope is better against d&t. She seems better against Miracles (and perhaps lands?) due to the ultimate. Yes, Liliana Of The Veil's strengths include combo and eldrazi, as well as loam, nic fit, maybe merfolk.

So I've been playing Bombardment (Pyromancer version, no shitty zombies) for ages now and have put the deck away when Eldrazi became tier1. I really wanted the revive the deck because its Miracle and DnT matchups are so much fun to play and the deck has such a good combo matchup.

Without a card like Baleful Strix or fatties of its own, Zombardment has always struggled against big creatures such as Goyf, KotR, Angler, and Eldrazis. The deck also has a terrible preboard game against Lands and Loam decks because it plays mainly nonbasic lands and has no interaction with lands outside of postboard Blood Moon, Choke, and Needle. I also always found it difficult to fit in Swords to Plowshares between Bolt and Decay when keeping white to a minimal splash for Lingering Souls. Now more than ever I wish I had a few copies to deal with explosive Marrit Lage and all those Eldrazis/fatties.

I always found Entomb to be absolutely phenomenal in this deck since it allows me to:
-Decrease mainboard Bloodghast concentration (poor play/draw) as I only want Bloodghast on an clear boards or with Therapy or Bombardment
-Increase Therapy/Souls/Bloodghast availability
-Toolbox Ancient Grudge and Darkblast

What I tried squeezing in but never quite made it was a Wasteland package with a single Loam. This engine, which is synergistic with Bloodghast and flashback spells would provide a fix for many of Zombardment's problems by heavily crippling Delver and Eldrazi decks' manabase, dealing with Grove of the Burnwillows, and giving us a fighting chance against Lands. This little combination is also insanely good against many other decks and can even serve as a win condition. It is also worth noting how an active Loam provides a lot of card advantage with a card like Faithless Looting (which I never liked because it is so underwhelming without cards you actually want in your GY. Also, the card blows in multiples so I never liked the full set).

Given how crappy Dark Confidant has been lately, I've removed him in favor of Lootings and a Loam. Losing Bob allowed me to finally feel comfortable adding 2 Tombstalkers, which makes Burn, Shardless, Grixis, and Eldrazi matchups so much better.

Changes:
+2 Tombstalker, -2 Grim Lavamancer
+3 Looting, +1 Loam, -4 Bob
+3 Wasteland, -1 Swamp, -1 Fetch, -1 Library


4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Young Pyromancer
2 Bloodghast
2 Tombstalker

4 Entomb
4 Lightning Bolt
3 Abrupt Decay

3 Thoughtseize
4 Cabal Therapy
3 Faithless Looting
3 Lingering Souls
1 Life from the Loam

2 Goblin Bombardment

3 Wasteland
1 Undiscovered Paradise
1 Marsh Flats
4 Bloodstained Mire
4 Polluted Delta
3 Badlands
2 Scrubland
2 Bayou
1 Swamp
//SB
2 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Ancient Grudge
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Pithing Needle
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
1 Sylvan Library
1 Choke
2 Liliana of the Veil


Pros:
-WasteLoam
-Alternate win condition (Tombstalker)
-more Instant/Sorcery for Pyromancer
-less life loss
-more deck manipulation

Cons:
-more graveyard reliant
-no more SB Blood Moon
-no more SB Spirit of the Labyrinth

I threw a pair of Thalias in the SB to replace Spirit of the Labyrinth. Added a pair of StP over Duress. I am still unsure if I want StP mainboard, perhaps over a Decay and a Thoughtseize. Not sold yet...

what are peoples though on lightning bolt? It almost never sees play in this deck consistently but every time I put a more aggressive slant on the deck I come back to bolt as just being better over abrupt decay at least maindeck.

5-0 list on MTGO recently:

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14591&f=LE

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Originally Posted by EunB

5-0 list on MTGO recently:

http://mtgtop8.com/event?e=14591&f=LE

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Yep, that's some aggro alright. Interesting that this list eshews the Lingering Souls... isn't flashing back that card one of the best things this deck can do? Perhaps getting your Vengevines out for fast beats is made necessary by Miracles?

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Originally Posted by MaximumC

Yep, that's some aggro alright. Interesting that this list eshews the Lingering Souls... isn't flashing back that card one of the best things this deck can do? Perhaps getting your Vengevines out for fast beats is made necessary by Miracles?

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That's my list, neat.

Maybe its me but I feel lingering souls is just such a mediocre payoff card, I get why its played, and its not a bad card if you have equipment in your deck. I really want to make it work becasue its one of my favorite cards but I keep going back and cutting it from my mardu lists. Right now I have Hidden Stockpile in that slot and it is over preforming and I can't see running Souls unless there is some major metagame shift.

The vengevine this is something I wanted to try out, its not really for Miracles but more for all the midrange decks as it give me a way to close the game very fast or if I am behind allows me to get back in the game. It also blocks pretty well which is nice and deals with planeswalkers which is also a bonus. Haven't found him hard to cast either

I mean there's no Zombies in it, but it has a similar game plan.


Land (22)

2x Bayou
1x Dryad Arbor
1x Forest
2x Marsh Flats
1x Plateau
2x Savannah
1x Scrubland
2x Taiga
2x Wasteland
4x Windswept Heath
4x Wooded Foothills

Creature (18)

3x Basking Rootwalla
4x Deathrite Shaman
1x Qasali Pridemage
4x Renegade Rallier
1x Squee, Goblin Nabob
3x Vengevine
2x Whitemane Lion

Instant (3)

3x Swords to Plowshares

Artifact (3)

3x Smuggler's Copter

Sorcery (15)

4x Cabal Therapy
2x Cathartic Reunion
4x Faithless Looting
4x Lingering Souls
1x Roar of the Wurm

Sideboard (15)

2x Choke
2x Diabolic Edict
3x Lightning Bolt
2x Pithing Needle
4x Seal of Primordium
2x Tormod's Crypt

Renegade Rallier is pretty sick and Smuggler's Copter is also pretty nuts. Went 3-1 only losing to RW Tax Rack so... That's something I guess. I'm not sure if I was winning because my blind Cabal Therapies were insane or the deck is actually any good

@megadeus

What were the three wins?

BeatMiracles, Show and Tell, and Storm. Lost to RW Tax Rack. So largely I was just hitting on blind therapy and won so I'm not sure how good the deck actually is, but I'm making adjustments and I'm going to try again next week.

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Originally Posted by Megadeus

BeatMiracles, Show and Tell, and Storm. Lost to RW Tax Rack. So largely I was just hitting on blind therapy and won so I'm not sure how good the deck actually is, but I'm making adjustments and I'm going to try again next week.

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What kind of jobber brings RW Tax Rack to a Legacy event? Is this 1999?

http://magiccards.info/scans/en/emn/92.jpg

is probably better than Roar in your deck ...

I'm surprised there hasn't been any discussion in this thread about the new cards coming out in Amonkhet. I'm not saying any of them are definite fits in Zombardment but I think they are at least worth discussing.
I also realize that the blue mouse-over links don't work yet. They will in a week or so.

Bone Picker
3B
Bird
Bone Picker costs 3 less to cast if a creature died this turn.
Flying, deathtouch
3/2

He doesn't recur but he's a Deathtouching Delver for B and there's no shortage of creatures dying in this deck. I think he's worth testing at least.


Dread Wanderer
B
Zombie Jackal
Dread Wanderer enters the battlefield tapped.
2B: Return Dread Wanderer from your graveyard to the battlefield. Activate this ability only any time you could cast a sorcery and only if you have one or fewer cards in hand.
2/1

His recursion cost is probably too steep and too situational. It could compliment Gravecrawler if it returned for just B.

Bontu the Glorified
2B
God
Menace, indestructible
Bontu the Glorified can't attack or block unless a creature died under your control this turn.
1B, Sacrifice another creature: Scry 1. Each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
4/6

2B is probably too much for this deck. 4/6 menace, indestructible is nasty but I could only see running him if his Sacrifice ability was cheaper and had a stronger effect.

Festering Mummy
B
Zombie
When Festering Mummy dies, you may put a -1/-1 counter on target creature.
1/1

RIP Festering Goblin (2002-2017) you are now out of a job. Considering the current lists don't run Goblin I doubt they will run this. It's ability does allow you to deal with larger creatures and have fun with Carrion Feeder and Bombardment.

Wayward Servant
WB
Zombie
Whenever another Zombie enters the battlefield under your control, each opponent loses 1 life and you gain 1 life.
2/2

I run 2 Blood Artist in my current build. The advantage this guy has is he can attack for 2 and is a zombie. If his text read "Whenever a creature enters the battlefield under your control..." he'd be great but unfortunately he doesn't work with Bloodghast so he's probably not that good.


Let me know your thoughts.

Dread wanderer is good maybe with entomb as 1x enabling gravecrawler, but i dunno. The bird instead seems good. Need a try.
Thoughts about 1x life from the loam? Im thinking about that. Im running 4x entomb, so im looking for some nice kind graveyard toolbox.
And about sharpshooter? Do u think is too slow?
I've played this deck many years ago and just came back. Some current list? Some thoughts that can help me building? Many thanks


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Hey Everybody.

I'm usually playing Maverick but from 6 months more or less I came back to my hidden love: Zombardment.

after a lot of test I reached this list:

1 Rotting Rats
3 Carrion Feeder
3 Cryptbreaker
4 Bloodghast
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Gravecrawler
1 Abrupt Decay
3 Entomb
2 Collective Brutality
2 Lingering Souls
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Faithless Looting
2 Bridge from Below
3 Goblin Bombardment
1 Dakmor Salvage
1 Marsh Flats
1 Polluted Delta
1 Scrubland
1 Undiscovered Paradise
2 Bayou
2 Swamp
3 Verdant Catacombs
4 Badlands
4 Bloodstained Mire

Sideboard:

2 Red Elemental Blast
1 Null Rod
2 Toxic Deluge
1 Meekstone
1 Coffin Purge
3 Surgical Extraction
1 Choke
1 Purphoros, God of the Forge
2 Abrupt Decay
1 Pithing Needle

After many games played on cockatrice I decided to give him a chance in real tournaments. I started from a little tournament of 15 players, where I reached the top4 undefeated (and here we plitted), after that I brought to another tiny tournament with 23 players. Here I Lost game 1 from Death and Taxes beacuse I played really bad and my opponent for 2 times topdekced Batterskull when I had 5 lands in play, after that I won the tournament winning from Infect, 2 BUG Delver, UR landstill, ANT, Reanimator.

Than I choose to bring the deck in a bigger tournament that took place 2 weeks ago in Milan (Italy), where i hit the top8 loosing only 1 game in swiss from Maverick, and he will be the same player that will blow me up in the first round of the top8.

I didn't aspect performances like those one, but basically the deck dies only from Eldrazi (never faced in real) and lands. We have really good MU against combo decks thanx to the 6 MD discard effect and thanx to the really fast clock that we have (specially if we can assemble a board with Bombardment/feeder, a bloodghast/crawler and a Bridge in GY (easy to do with 3 entomb that can tutor bridges, ghast or crawler, plus 6 cards as enabler of our engine). Post board we bring in REB, Surgical, Purge (tutorable with entomb) and Null rod vs Ant or pithing needle and Meekstone vs reanimate

our worst enemies are all the Eldrazi, Tarmogoyf and Gurmag, this is the reason why I put 2 Toxic Deludge in sideboard instead than Zealous Persecution, meekstone help us too a lot. Plus with the Bridge from below we can create easily 5/6 Zombies in a turn, and they can block and pump Feeder or shot 1 dmg with bombardment, they give us a lot of time and pressure, and everything can be done at istant speed, People don't aspect it and they loose many games becuase of an entomb in combat phase or in EOT for a Bridge from below. One IMPORTANT thing to learn with this deck is to preserve our fetches in order to save pur bloodhgast from DRS and in order to use them when we assembled the mini combo Bomb+ghast+bridge that allow us to win the game.

Cryptbreaker is an amazing card! It's like a powerful version of Bitterblossom for our deck, it allow us to have blockers on the battlefield and he feeds our GY as well, plus it help us to build our hand after that we empty it, never thought that a card like this could have a role in a format like Legacy. I love this deck because it transform the crap in gold.

I'll make only one change: remove Purphoros from sideboard and replace it with a Liliana, The Last Hope: Purphy is a good plan vs grave-hate because it gives you an alternative plan, but is too slow, Liliana can replace it easily and can be useful in other MU like Grixis, Elves and Death and Taxes, other than Lands and Control and midrange deck.

What do you guys think?

list looks really nice, the last list I was trying to test was with vengevine and grisly salvage.

But I tested entomb and bridge before and they are both amazing. I think your list is really solid. Will try it myself, but currently on the bomberman bandwagon.

Do you have cards that you board out in each game?

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Originally Posted by Xod

list looks really nice, the last list I was trying to test was with vengevine and grisly salvage.

But I tested entomb and bridge before and they are both amazing. I think your list is really solid. Will try it myself, but currently on the bomberman bandwagon.

Do you have cards that you board out in each game?

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I used to play the grisly-vengevine in Modern, but I think that in Legacy is a too slow strategy, Vengevine can't find space anymore (for now), bombardment is a really solid and powerful plan.

Here some of my side-in and out.

ANT:

IN: 2 REB, 1 Null Rod, 3 Surgical, 1 Coffing Purge. OUT: 3 Cryptbraker, 1 Dakmor Salvage, 1 Decay, 2 Lingering Souls.
Is a pretty standard side. Breaker and lingering are too slow against combo. Decay is useless (unless you know that your opponent is running Thing in the ice) and 19 are enough against combo, we board out 2 of our most expensive cards.

DEATH AND TAXES:

IN: 1 Null Rod, 1 Pithing Needle, 2 Toxic Deludge, 2 Abrupt Decay, 1 Liliana, the Last Hope. OUT: 1 Gravecrawler, 1 Rotting Rats, 1 Entomb, 1 Bridge from Below, 1 Faithless Loothing, 2 Cabal Therapy.
I'll board out some stuff that interact with GY because of Rest in Peace and Containment Priest. Maybe we can board out both Bridges, but I'm still not sure about that. I'm usually not a fan of Discard effects against aggro deck post board, but in this case I leave a couple of therapy because of SFM, is easy to hit a blind therapy if they fetched for an equipment. We side in every removal spells (Liliana as well) and stuff vs Artifacts.


DELVER.Deck:

IN: 2 REB, 2 Toxic Deludge, 2 Decay, 1 Meekstone, 1 Liliana, the Last Hope (no vs RUG version), 1 choke, 1 Pithing Needle (only if they run Deathrite). OUT: 3 Carrion Feeder, 1 Gravecrawler, 1 Rotting Rats, 1 Bloodghast, 3 Therapy (1 Deathrite if needle come in).
We need removals to deal with big creatures (TNN, GURMAG, GOYF) and reb to kill delver/avoid cantrips. Feeder are not so good vs decays and push. I board out crawler and ghast because they board in Surgical, and I don't want to let them have too much vantage from a well casted surgical (in ex: they cast surgical targetting a crawler or a Bloodghast, and I have the second one in hand) I leave 1 Therapy because we can tutor it in order to protect our bombardment from FOW or Decay

REANIMATOR:

IN: 3 Surgical, 1 Coffing Purge, 1 Meekstone, 2 Toxic Deludge OUT: 3 Cryptbreaker, 1 Rotting Rats, 1 Dakmor Salvage, 1 Abrupt Decay, 1 Gravecrawler

In this Mu I side out the same cards that I board out VS ANT, but I leave lingerings, tutorable with entomb, can block Griselbradnd, and with a "sac effect" we avoid the lifegaining effect, deludge if they decide to reanimate a Grave Titan or an Elesh Norn (they can reanimate them again, but ususalyy they empty their hand in the first 1/2 turn, than is only tpodeck, so better try to kill a creature instead than die for sure, without anything that we can do), and Meekstone becuase they can't kill with only one Griselbrand swing

Miracle topless:

IN: 2 REB, 1 Choke, 1 Liliana the Last Hope, 1 pithing Needle, 2 Surgical Extraction. OUT: 2 Carrion Feeder, 2 Gravecrawler, 1 Bloodghast, 1 bridge from below, 1 Entomb

Pretty standard side, out bad staff that can be hit by surgical/RIP and Feeder (not strong against plow, but we leave 1 inside becuase we need the 4th "sac istant effect" in order to presevre bloodghast and crawler from a terminus) and in stuff to deal with Island, Jace, Snapcaster. Easy :)

This is what I can write for now, but It will continue :)

My biggest concern with this build is chalice on one.

It has limited spells that are not CMC 1 and only 1 way to destroy it pre-board (AD). In the side, I might sneak in a Ancient Grudge especially for CotV. In the case were you have a turn before they chalice, or they can't chalice on turn 1, you can still entomb for it.

Mostly because my meta has some eldrazi players and CotV on 1 players.

Play 4 Decays main if you care for Chalice. Between Decays and Grudge postboard you are better equipped than most decks to deal with it.

My issue with Zombardment is that the zombies suck and Crawler doesn't have a good enough support structure to be reliable. Feeder is garbage on its own (multiples are worst) and even combined with 1-2 Crawlers it's not that impressive by Legacy standards. Sculler is the only good one but he isn't amazing as its main appeal (discard) is much stronger at 1 mana mainly because of our broken Therapy plays.

I don't understand why more people don't pick up Young Pyro and Waste/Loam with 4 Entomb. This deck becomes a serious contender once you lose the chaff... The best way to reliably take advantage of Bombardment is to have a huge board presence, otherwise it is too easy to take apart. Building around Bombardment and Therapy is the best way to approach this deck, not around Crawler (because the support structure blows).

Just my opinion