Read your quote. You wished for release the ants, pact, noxious revival, and sapphire charm or you mistyped the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysdrawing
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Read your quote. You wished for release the ants, pact, noxious revival, and sapphire charm or you mistyped the situation.Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysdrawing
Sorry, I was wrong, I wished for charm. Even so, I couldn't wish for Trickbind and Revival, which was the premise there. My mistake. I had 2 pact triggers I had to pay for.Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
You had already resolved Omniscience. Why couldn't you play something along the lines of:Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysdrawing
SnT x3 for Tomb, Tomb/Island, Island and then Wish->Trickbind + pay for a Pact?
Show and Telling in lands to pay for pact never occurred to me....that actually sounds pretty good. Thanks!Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
Nasty Trick :) On the brightside I've never had to pay for my Pact that way or had the option.Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
Played this deck in a small tournament went 3-1
lost to High tide... extremely embarrassing just cause i loathe that deck and want nothing more to crush all of the people who play it so they stop playing it.
beat burn, reanimator, and UB Tezzerator
Didnt really run into trouble except i need to make a lot of changes to the deck
I was running some makeshift cards and this is what i learned
Flusterstorm is probably the worst card to play against.
Thwart has no business in the deck.
Emrakul should be a sideboard card for Game 1
Cunning wish should be a 4 of
Trickbind is a sideboard card and should not be main deck because its completely wasted 99% of the time.
Impuse is a significantly better 2 CMC card if you are playing with Fireminds foresight.
Intuition main and in sideboard is very useful
I feel like Laboratory maniac is a better win con because many decks are running emrakuls now a days and winning 20 clashes in a row might not happen.
I was almost certain to cut noxious revival from the board but i think i could have used it once or twice to make things easier, but it didnt seem necessary if you make better decisions
Other thoughts
I like the idea of having thought seize/duress however are they better than just running flusterstorm?
Duress give you information about their hand including taking one of their counterspells
However it does require you to slightly weaken the mana base
flusterstorm can be used to fight counter spells in a similar way that duress can. If you have 4 mana, 3 for a S&T and 1 for a duress/ flusterstorm, what would you want to cast?
Duress IMO just because if they somehow have more counterspells than you, you dont wanna pact yourself out of the game. Also you can take that wipe away they are holding onto....Damn high tide players.
Seems like im supporting emidln's build with the black splash more than anything.
Where can I see the decklists of the event? :) That zoo deck is intriguing lolQuote:
Originally Posted by alwaysdrawing
How did you beat Reanimator?Quote:
Originally Posted by apple713
To the question above...not sure if decklists have been posted. The Zoo list seemed like a typical zoo list...bolts, nacatl, chain, goyf, etc + Domri and Ghor Clan.
I played the deck for the first time last weekend.
Before I read your primer and made some goldfishing at tcgplayer.com.
My result was 3-1-1 at a local tournament with 25 players.I finished place 6.
Instead of your 3xdefense grid which were stucked in mailing I had to play 3xmisdirection.
My matchups were: Result:
R1: Canadian Threshold 1-1
R2: UB-Tezzeret 2-1
R3: Death and Taxes 2-0
R4: Deathblade 0-2
R5: Esper Stoneblade 2-0
UB-Tezzeret-Decklist:
Main:
3 Ancient Tomb
3 City of Traitors
4 Underground Sea
2 Island
2 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Seat of the Synod
1 Vault of Whispers
4 Talisman of Dominance
2 Dimir Signet
4 Baleful Strix
2 Solemn Simulacrum
2 Wurmcoil Engine
2 Engineered Explosives
1 The Abyss
2 Damantion
4 Jace, the Mindsculptor
4 Tezzeret, Agnet of Bolas
3 Thirst for Knowledge
4 Force of Will
4 Chalice of the Void
1 Nihil Spellbomb
Board:
4 Duress
4 Leyline of the Void
2 Engineered Plague
1 Ensnaring Bridge
1 Pithing Needle
1 Darkblast
1 Ratched Bomb
1 Virtue’s Ruin
Deathblade-Decklist:
2 Marsh Flats
3 Flooded Strand
4 Polluted Delta
1 Scrubland
1 Plains
1 Swamp
1 Island
1 Tropical Island
3 Wasteland
3 Underground Sea
2 Tundra
2 Liliana of the Veil
2 Jace, the Mind Sculptor
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Batterskull
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Dark Confidant
4 Stoneforge Mystic
2 Snapcaster Mage
2 Baleful Strix
3 Spell Pierce
4 Swords to Plowshares
4 Brainstorm
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Thoughtseize
Board:
3 Meddling Mage
2 Zealous Persecution
1 Baleful Strix
2 Detention Sphere
3 Surgical Extraction
2 Vendilion Clique
2 Flusterstorm
@Lejay:Please answer the 3 following questions:
1.)what would you play as a replacement for 3xdefense grid?
2.)how would you sideboard in your list against UB-Tezzeret?
3.)How would you rate your matchup in percentage vs. Deathblade?
Thanks again for the tips! Do you find yourself ever missing the 4th FoW in the 75? My meta has all of the sudden been infested with D&T, so every time I draw Pact in G1 (of course, it always comes up!), I just want to punch myself in the dick.Quote:
Originally Posted by emidln
In the matchup against hate bear decks, would you board in the Emrakul to give you another pseudo method of dealing with hate bears?
As much as I'd love to cut the Intuition from the side, I've ended up too many times where I have Omniscience+EtI in hand, but only a Cunning Wish to Wish -> Intuition -> Show & Tell (I know, super slow) so it's hard for me to give up something I've gotten quite a bit of use out of.
seemed like luck. Every turn that went by i was thinking How the hell am i gonna pull this off.Quote:
Originally Posted by alwaysdrawing
I got game one with a quick S&T i think and got lucky cause that they didnt have iona or something. Im pretty sure they durdled for a bit.
G2 they got iona and i entered the scoop phase immediatly
g3 I got lucky (i think) and ended up casting a S&T into omni. They angel of despaird my omni. I was sitting on an ETI in hand. I took the hit from angel then i cast a dream halls on my turn with 2 pacts for their two forces and won with ETI.
Definatly not impossible but certainly not favorable with show and tells main. I took 3 out and cant think of what i put in. I know that after the changes i mentioned I would have put in 4 discard spells and surgicals.
Won another local tourney the other day with the following list:
// Lands
2 Ancient Tomb
2 City of Traitors
9 Island
3 Polluted Delta
4 Scalding Tarn
// Creatures
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn
// Spells
4 Brainstorm
3 Cunning Wish
4 Dream Halls
4 Enter the Infinite
4 Force of Will
1 Intuition
4 Omniscience
2 Pact of Negation
4 Ponder
4 Preordain
4 Show and Tell
1 Trickbind
// Sideboard
SB: 1 Echoing Truth
SB: 1 Eladamri's Call
SB: 1 Firemind's Foresight
SB: 2 Flusterstorm
SB: 4 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Noxious Revival
SB: 1 Pact of Negation
SB: 1 Release the Ants
SB: 1 Slaughter Pact
SB: 1 Trickbind
SB: 1 Wipe Away
R1 vs Jund 1-2
R2 vs Goblins 2-0
R3 vs High Tide 2-0
R4 vs Maverick 2-1
Top 4
Semis rematch vs Jund 2-1
Finals vs RUG Delver 2-1
Good for a 1st place and a Bayou.
I'll be more than happy to type out details if any of you are interested.
Well done! I'm always interested in reports and how people sideboard!
I now see the advantage of this deck when compared to Sneak Show. This deck has no redundancies or dead cards. Sneak Show has the problem of Drawing too many fatties and no action lol and it actually faces less hate because Karakas is not a problem for this deck.
Drawback of this deck as compared to Sneak Show is this is less resilient and it has no early game protection from discard and counter for threats that kill it. Flusterstorm is also a beating to OmniTell when it goes all in. I will continue to test this deck more with the upcoming events.
Well, it does have dead cards in that none of your main combo pieces do much until you assemble Voltron.Quote:
Originally Posted by blindspotxxx
The pros & cons as I see it are:
Pros
- Doesnt rely upon the graveyard, your life total, or attack step to combo off (thus more resilient to the various forms of dedicated hate)
- More protection than many combo decks
- Usually kills you immediately the turn it goes off
- Pretty much immune to Wasteland
Cons
- You are assembling a 3 card combo (usually) so are more vulnerable to hand disruption
- Again, havig to assemble 3 cards makes you slower than many existing combo decks
I don't know it is your metagame but the deck is pretty popular here and I expect it to be between 15% and 20% at the next tournament. Some players were going to increase their hate against this deck. I wonder what are the silver bullets I need to protect against. Is it only permanent removal and Red Elemental Blast that I have to worry about or is there other ones? I even wonder if playing red for Red Elementa Blast would be worth it for the mirror.
Permanent based hate can be really annoying so make sure not to skimp on your bounce spells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Varal
I'm actually really digging Emidln's discard package right now both as protection (Flusterstorm wrecks our shit) and as disruption against other combo decks for a very marginal increase in succeptibility to Wasteland (you have to play an Underground Sea).
Im not a fan of the black splash at all, here are my reasons. Feel free to chime in.
1. If you know you want to seize, you're going to want to do so on turn 1-2. If this walks you into a hand with 1 disruption spell and they have a wasteland, was it really worth it?
2. Flusterstorm Flusterstorm Flusterstorm. Id much rather keep 9 islands and be wasteland proof and fight disruption with flusterstorm than run 1 underground seize and 1-2 thoughtsieze. 1-2 flusters seems way better.
3. I also take the draw on the unknown games, in those games seeing Black source, go.. Im not going to want to crack a fetch for a Usea and Tseize on turn 2.
Id much rather stick the plan of, ponder, preordain, bstorm, 'still go all these' Than try and sculpt MY hand and my opponents hand.
1) I personally don't generally T1 hand disrupt unless I'm playing against another combo deck. If I'm playing it defensively, I'm going to usually use it the turn I go off or the turn before I go off.Quote:
Originally Posted by csy
2) The problem with your own Flusterstorm is 2-fold: 1) You have to have +1 mana the turn you go off 2) While it's good for ending a counterspell fight, if say you have to tap out to Flusterstorm, you've now made their Dazes live again.
3) The hand disruption package from Emidln's list is in the sideboard - you shouldn't be playing it Game 1 so you should never be using it against an unknown deck.
I agree that it does make daze live again, which is relevant, but I think Flusterstorm is great. I've cut one main Pact for it, and added one to the wishboard. Sometimes it's just necessary to win a counter war, and it's nice to have access to it against Storm, where Pacts are dead.Quote:
Originally Posted by Esper3k