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In my awefully similar creatureless RG artifact control deck, I'm siding in Blood Moon for Chokes against lands and I have no problems against elves due to a critical mass of removal spells (Serrated Arrows, Punishing Fires, Contagion Engine). I am looking for ways to beat Reanimator and Sneak & Show too. Leyline of the Void is an option against Reanimator because it deals with Dredge too but it is an inelegant option. Sneak and show, which is quiet popular here, is quiet problematic.
If you're not running creatures Ensnaring Bridge seems like a great option? Probably complemented with a leyline or surgical if you want faster answers vs reanimator.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
Wouldn't running more Karakas in the board do the trick? Sure, it can't really stop Sneak Attack, but it definitely makes their life harder. It also keeps Marit Lage at bay until they can waste it.
If you want to go balls-deep in as far as metagaming goes, you could consider O-Ring/Banishing Light.
As a D&T player, I can tell that Phyrexian Revoker is the card that really wrecks them in conjunction with Karakas. No Griselbrand activations, no Sneak Attack - and Karakas handles the fatties.
If those match-ups are your concern, I would start with this board:
3 Karakas
3 Phyrexian Revoker
I leave up the rest to you to figure out the cuts.
the reason that you will find revokers useful is because they are accompanied by karakas. So 1 turns off sneak, and one turns off show & Tell. Attacking both of their options is truly the way to go if you want to be successful. Additionally you have to put pressure on them while doing it, otherwise they'll dig out of it. It can be a number of cards like pithing needle, stingerfling spider, willow saytr, revoker, but if you are running white for karakas, you might as well just use containment priest... to kill 2 birds with 1 stone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
peacekeeper is really solid too
Revoker can have applications in other matches as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by apple713
Doesn't Containment Priest clash too much with our GSZ?
Edit: Revoker also stops Griselbrand shenanigans when put into play with S&T while Priest does nothing. I'll give you being useful against Elves, though.
Wait.
If we have white, there isn't nothing like Priest against S&T, Reanimator and Elves in one card. I've been a Peacekeeper player for 4 years, and he:
-Doesn't stop combo, just makes them skip their attack phase. So Griselbrand could draw 7 and 7 again and find a pyroclasm/bounce-->GG. Elves draws their library and decay our keeper, no obstacles. Reanimator could make Ashen Rider or Elesh Norn.
I've been suggesting revoker since page 1, but problems lejay and others have pointed remain. It dies by all our removal, is fragile and could be not enough.
I'm thinking that the best options is run a sideboard like: 4 Priest +2 Surgical/Faerie Macabre. Still there aren't any cards against lands or Post...
Played 3 Rounds yesterday, but underperformed.
Round 1 0-2 B/G Infect
Game one I basicly lose of a infect land that he gets to pump with pendelhaven and 2x Ivigorate.
Game 2 I bring in my Enginieered Plagues, but he has 2 Abrupt Decays for them and beats me with 2/2 first strike infecters
Round 2 RUG Delver 2-0
Both games basicly end when I resolve a Choke. Not much to tell here. Having played RUG a bit in the past I felt sorry for the guy because this deck is definately NOT what you want to encounter in your matchups.
Round 3 DnT 1-2
game 1 double Rishadan's Port with a vial in play keep me from playing anything while he slowly deploys threats
game 2 Enginieered Plague on Humans and Elemental wins me the game.
game 3 a wasteland and a port keep me from casting anything.
Although 1-2 isn't a terrific result, I am actually still very keen on this deck. Not sure if I would change anything at all, Massacre in side might be usefull.
Tabernacle is a boss. People don't expect it and get blown out by it.
Is a creazy idea run 2 Eladamri's Call, with just 1x creatures? I'm thinking about it in a strong 3c shell like mine, of course, but i think it gives even more flexibility and good topdeck, giving the opportunity of take cards like Priest, Canonist, peacekeeper, orzhov pontiff, phyrexian revoker and, in substance, every 1x card that kill single MU otherwise very hard to deal with.
Dunno, i think that what this deck needs is a fast and flexible card against bad mu. Crop Rotation could be a thing too, of course...
Are Eyes of the Wisent and Pulse of the Tangle too cute to run in a URx Delver/Pyro-heavy meta?
i would say that eyes are because it can be played around. Pulse on the other hand is not likely to be played around. However it's only useful if you are behind, or they have a pyromania out. GG makes it slightly more difficult to cast with ancient tomb but at most 2 casts. keep in mind if it gets countered it doesn't get returned so it may not be the key.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pastorofmuppets
Played my creatureless build and wentQuote:
Originally Posted by Memories of the Time
Reanimator 1-2
Elves 1-1 draw but locked out only 1 land left
Elves was easy, reanimator I was not prepared for at all.
In a red list your best answer to Show and Tell is red blasts. You can go with Ensnaring Bridge as an option but it won't answer all options that Show and Tell has available, particularly after sideboarding. Red blasts will still have the tap out and die problem as well as FoW and in some lists Daze.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
Played the national legacy championship yesterday. Nice turnout (112 people), but OMG!
R1 Burn 2-0
Chalice @ 1 T1, Trini T2 was GG. Game 2 almost the same except he was on the play now.
R2 Jund 1-2
Almost unwinnable MU. G2 he struggles with his mana and I can steal the game. G3 I struggle with my mana and a quick Goyf followed by lili seals the deal.
R3 D&T 0-2
Both games manatroubles. G1 double port + double waste. G2 mull to 5 followed by land into land into land.
R4 GRexplorer 2-0
Chalice @ 1 and critters seal the deal.
R5 D&T 1-2
G1 fast beatings with Angel & Crusader. G2 he is manascrewed. G3 again a fast crusader and I can't find removal.
R6 UWR 1-1-1
At last a Blue deck! But unfortunately we go into time and a draw it is.
At this point I'm fed up with the horrible MU and I drop. Were did al the blue decks go????
The surprising thing is that you lost twice against death and taxes. The match-up of course can't be unlosable but in my experience it has been extremely good post sb with all the collateral damage they take due to your answers for other threats. What was your list ?
Probably to the top tables. When you're playing a deck so skewed to prey on blue decks, you need to avoid random bad matchups for the first few rounds. Of course, this is assuming that the field was similar to other tournaments, where blue decks rise to the top either due to the stronger players favoring them or due to decks' internal consistency. If your championship's field had fewer blue decks than normal, then I'd say you played the wrong deck for the field. Just based on your matchups, Charbelcher would have been a better choice.Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklingske
You should have Yolo'ed it up like me! Man I would have loved those matchups [emoji14]Quote:
Originally Posted by Darklingske
Or follow my Engineered Plague advice ;) Because that card wrecks DnT.
I played this in Geneva this sunday (77 players 7 rounds + top 8) :
2 Savannah
1 Swamp
3 Windswept Heath
2 Bayou
1 Dryad Arbor
3 Ancient Tomb
2 Forest
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
1 Deathrite Shaman
2 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Titania, Protector of Argoth
2 Courser of Kruphix
3 Obstinate Baloth
3 Mox Diamond
3 Trinisphere
4 Chalice of the Void
3 Choke
4 Sylvan Library
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Rolling Spoil
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Thespian's Stage
1 Dark Depths
1 Qasali Pridemage
SB: 1 Tower of the Magistrate
SB: 1 Spike Weaver
SB: 1 Scavenging Ooze
SB: 1 Maelstrom Pulse
SB: 1 Karakas
SB: 1 Kalonian Hydra
SB: 1 Giant Solifuge
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 2 Faerie Macabre
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 2 Toxic Deluge
SB: 2 Massacre
I made 4w-1d-2l,
2-1 against RUG (Théo) , at the 1st, I was quickly kicked by a tarmo T2 who stick the board (No creature and/or decay to help me). At the 2 and the 3 I locked him knocked out him with knight or titania.
1-1-1 against junk (Dung) (very slow girl), she won the 1 by DRS + batterskull and I won the 2 by knight + titania. She was very too slow and unfortunatelly we were not in competitive and we had just one level 1 judge... no time for the 3.
1-2 against patriot, (Sébastien) GP Version with young pyro. I won the 1st by choke trini and i had believed to play against miracle. I lose the 2nd because of yp who swarmed hurry up the board without i saw a Decay. And finally, i lose the last on bad choice i made between spoils, decay, choke (named on his MM) and pulse. He had TNN and jitte on bord + MM, I should play spoils and next turn decay MM and choke. But i play decay on jitte when he équiped TNN then next turn pulse on MM. And next turn, He counters my spoils (he drew a FOW)... Stupid :/
2-0 against d&t, (Joakim) I had the ugliest T1 of the world against him : tomb, mox discard land, mox discard waste, GSZ at 3 -> courser And my last card is titania ... he wasted my tomb ? No souci : Courser help me to fix that... Titania killed him. the 2 can be summered by "oh, you really want to made a board ? No ! Spoils and Toxic déluge !".
0-2 against junk, My baloth stayed on my library, his Dark confident foil drew very well and his liliana foil let me see the moon each time. I was begun the 1 by T1 choke with smile...
2-0 against merfolk, (Steeve) choke, trini, but he things long times for his choice to play with his vial face to a knight 6/6 and baloth... The 2 is the same butcher place but i finish him in the additionnal turns... Hope makes life.
2-0 against junk. This time, when he had liliana, i had baloth :D et I won by 2 courser and sylvan library and knight and baloth. Decay killed his knight.
Not enough blue deck here... The top 8 was BUG, UR, patriot, poison, miracle, jund junk and enchanteress. Poison won the final against Miracle.
The list I played was your last list with the light White splash and 2 Mox Diamond. I tested the MU several times and it is indeed favorable, but I got unlucky I guess. I lost all dierolls except the first Round. And against D&T (the first game) I lost because of the double waste and double port. I was never able to do anything relevant since my mana was choked all the time and Thalia made it extra painfull. Add that up to mulliganing to 5 G2 and being unable to find any removal and the first loss was there. The second MU against D&T I lost G1 because of double striking crusader with a sword. G2 all went as planned, but G3 it was again no luck. I casted T1 Library but never found a Massacre, deluge, Spoils, Tower, Karakas or Spider. Variance is a bitch...Quote:
Originally Posted by Lejay
And indedd, all the blue decks were in the upper half of the bracket. I guess that if I met a Blue deck R2, things would have gone different, but that is all in hindsight ofcourse. Oh well, I did have a blast playing the deck and that is the most important thing for me!
Lurked this thread for awhile, and played against Sylvan Plug for the first time last night at a local legacy weekly event. Chalice@1, Choke, and Trinisphere in play, not something TES can deal with.
Props on an awesome deck though, makes me want to build it myself.
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