[Deck] Burn

I wouldn't cut Mogg Fanatic for any other red card in the format (except other 4 Lightning Bolt)

Anyway I made some changes renouncing to the white because I found that with Pithing Needle and Shattering Spree SB Disenchant was pretty useless.

here we are.

18 Mountain (no fetches)

4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Lava Spike
4 Chain Lightning
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Shard Volley (yes, 4)
4 Rift Bolt

2 Price of Progress (a kiss to the one who invented this)
4 Magma Jet
4 Incinerate

4 Flames of the Blood Hand / or any 3cc slot (you can choose Flamebreak or Sulfuric Vortex depending on you meta)

4 Fireblast

I think the deck is perfect with this list, there is just some discussion no the 3cc slot, but the real thing we need to discuss is the SB

SB:
4 Pithing Needle
4 Shattering Spree
4 Pyrostatic Pillar
1 Price of Progress
2 Free Slots to me... advice something :D

I like the idea of using 4x Shard Volley + 4x Fireblast, but I feel the deck needs 20x Mountain to go that way.

On your SB:

Do this:
-4 Pyrostatic Pillar

+3 REB
+2 Pyroblast
+1 Price of Progress

I think REB and Pyroblast are necessities againt CounterTop. Also helps against a Solidarity matchup.

never... CounterTop has 4 Pithing Needle as SB, Pyrostatic Pillar is great against ALL storm decks and Belcher.

VS Solidarity a fast PP means definitly victory, just to remove it, he takes up to 6 damages, and just to remove it...

4 PP are doubtless in SB... they are much more useful than every RedBlast ever seen

I'll have to agree about upping the land count to 20 if you're playing both Shard Volley and Fireblast. Maybe take out the 4 3cc cards for 2 more lands, and then up the Price of Progress count to 4.

no, 4 Price of Progress MD never...

Anyway I'm gonna try
+1 Mountain
-1 FLames of the blood hands

20 mountains may be are too many...

Why not? The decks that you have trouble with run lots of nonbasics. It's almost always 1R for at least 4 damage. Are there any mono-color decks that Burn has trouble with?

if i play 4 dead cards MD may be i'll start havin

Are they really dead? Are there any mono-colored decks at all?

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Originally Posted by Filipinho

I like the idea of using 4x Shard Volley + 4x Fireblast, but I feel the deck needs 20x Mountain to go that way.

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Well, 20 lands anyway. 2-3 Barbarian Ring are probably a good idea, especially if you're saccing all those lands (and thereby building Thresh). B-Rings also sac to Shard Volley, and B-Ring can also help prevent their pro-red weenie from reaching for the late-game kill against you. You'd probably rather try to race them anyway with topdecked burn, but for example a Pro-red Jitte-carrier is almost certainly game.

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Originally Posted by Poron

if i play 4 dead cards MD may be i'll start havin

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It's really a metagame decision, but I would play with 0 or 4 in the main. The chances of drawing 1 of 2 with no tutors and little library manipulation isn't good at all, so for the matchups where PoP would help, your chances of seeing one isn't good anyway in game 1. Running more 4-ofs would give greater consistency, and if your metagame is unpredictable, running more consistent cards is better anyway. I agree that for a general powered Legacy meta where people have the usual fetches, duals, and :2:-lands, PoP definitely merits a full maindeck slot.

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Originally Posted by kicks_422

Are they really dead? Are there any mono-colored decks at all?

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More specifically, what dangerous decks run all basics? White Stax and Faerie Stompy has :2:-lands, Death and Taxes has Flagstones, Karakas, and Ports. Ok, so 9-land Stompy is fast enough to be annoying and has 9 Forests, the mirror match would be basic-heavy, and monochromatic Tribals may have few nonbasics. In a casual meta, people will more likely play with monochromatic decks, though there are more and more cheap and reasonably efficient (for a casual meta) nonbasics being printed, so it is very seldomly a totally-dead card. 2 damage for 2 mana may be your weakest play of the game, but if you metagamed correctly, you'll just as likely do 8 damage with it.

yeah ill have to agree, if your running 4 shard volley's and 4 fireblast your going to want to have 20 lands, and i don think pyrostatic pillar as a 4 of is that necessary in the SB UNLESS you have a problem in your area with TES, Belcher, and the like, where im at its mostly Armaggedon stax, and Thresh Variations, so once my new cards get in, im going to run....

lands x18:
Mountain x12
Plateau x4
Barbarian Ring x2

Spells x39:
Lightning Bolt x4
Chain Lightning x4
Magma Jet x4
Rift Bolt x4
Lava Spike x4
Incinerate x4
Flame Rift x4
Price of Progress x3
Fireblast x4
Mishra's Bauble x4(still debating this spot)

Creatures x3:
Keldon Marauders x3(now I know this isnt a popular choice with some, but I like it, 2 damage, probably 5, and I dont care if it gets killed or STP'd its still gonna do damage, so its a pretty viable choice, the only weakness of this card on a major scale is that its one of the main targets for counter in the deck, but there's plenty of other things to back it up with many damage.)

SB:
Swords to Plowshares x3
Flamebreak x3
Disenchant x3
Red Elemental Blast x4
Pyrostatic Pillar x2(debating taking this out for 2x pyroblast)

Creature Discussion:
I dont run mogg fanatic or Grim Lavamancer becuz that gives them something to hit with their removal, and its only 1-2 damage usually, I like to leave them having dead cards in hand (the removal) so I dont run creatures. As of my knowledge there's no other major threats formed by creatures in burn that are likely to hit the field.

Has it been determined that needle drop is a bad card in burn? It seems fine, as it turns lightning bolts, chains, and rifts into 4 damage for RR, draw a card. IMO it's superior to bauble, and equaly as conditional, having the same effect of drawing you deeper and thinning the deck, but while doing damage. The only downside is if you happen to be stuck at one land, it is a bit more tricky to cantrip with. (ping-triping of a suspended rift bolt is the only way that comes to mind) I like R for 3 damage, but I also really like RR for 4 damage.

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Originally Posted by Media314r8

Has it been determined that needle drop is a bad card in burn? It seems fine, as it turns lightning bolts, chains, and rifts into 4 damage for RR, draw a card. IMO it's superior to bauble, and equaly as conditional, having the same effect of drawing you deeper and thinning the deck, but while doing damage. The only downside is if you happen to be stuck at one land, it is a bit more tricky to cantrip with. (ping-triping of a suspended rift bolt is the only way that comes to mind) I like R for 3 damage, but I also really like RR for 4 damage.

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I don't like 2 damage for R though.

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Originally Posted by Media314r8

Has it been determined that needle drop is a bad card in burn? It seems fine, as it turns lightning bolts, chains, and rifts into 4 damage for RR, draw a card. IMO it's superior to bauble, and equaly as conditional, having the same effect of drawing you deeper and thinning the deck, but while doing damage. The only downside is if you happen to be stuck at one land, it is a bit more tricky to cantrip with. (ping-triping of a suspended rift bolt is the only way that comes to mind) I like R for 3 damage, but I also really like RR for 4 damage.

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I have found it to be ok, if you are playing off the top though it sucks. I ran it as a 2 of when I was still running burn and think thats the right number.

Needle Drop is 100% a bad card because it says: "that was dealt damage this turn"

I can't imagine a worse topdeck when you run out of cards...

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Originally Posted by Poron

Needle Drop is 100% a bad card because it says: "that was dealt damage this turn"

I can't imagine a worse topdeck when you run out of cards...

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Yes, needle drop is a real bad card. Just stick to magma jet if you need to set up your deck.

Red isn't known for good card drawing anyways. It doesn't come as a surprise that needle drop would suck. Hell, even IF it would draw a card for 1 damage for the price of one R, I still wouldn't use it.

In exchange of another, new, card? I would use it.

but we can't use it if it counts as a mountain in late game

This deck is so simple as it is best known as Red Sligh to many. Here is my plan that I have complied that I have never put together at all......

4 Badlands
4 Wooded Foothills
4 Wasteland
8 Mountain

4 Slith
4 Mogg Fanatic
4 Grim Lavamancer
4 Dark Confidant

4 Lava Spike
4 Lightning Bolt
4 Shard Volley
4 Incenerate
4 Fireblast
4 Cursed Scroll

SB
4 Tormand's Crypt
2 Rain of Gore
4 Price of Progress
3 Pithing Neddle
2 Engineered Plague


....there are so many different ways to put it together but this is the version I decided to post in the time a good cup of coffee is being boiled.

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Originally Posted by mercenarybdu

This deck is so simple as it is best known as Red Sligh to many. Here is my plan that I have complied that I have never put together at all......

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Yet this is a "Burn" topic, not a Sligh topic.

let's try my list with a
-4 Flames of the Blood Hands
+2 Mountains (mmm)
+2 PoP

and the 4 PoP are the "side slot"...

I really feel we need 4 Sulfuric Vortex SB anyway, we probably must redesign the whole SB