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Scatter to the Winds 1UU
Instant (R)
Counter target spell.
Awaken 3 - 4UU
It's funny how blatantly Wizards is milking Standard players. Put most playable removal/discard/countermagic staples at Rare "because of Limited"* and force people to open more packs.
*Discard and countermagic are generally mediocre in Limited and having good removal at C/U tends to smooth out any design mistakes, allowing the format to better self-regulate.
I think it's worth noting that by putting something back to the grave it allows for more drs/scooze interactions. Legacy is a fast format but sometimes the graveyard doesn't get filled as fast as you want it to in some matchups. This allows an on-curve way to continue controlling the board while giving your drs/scooze more munchies. I like it.Quote:
Originally Posted by bakofried
EDIT: sorry for the lag...I wasn't on the newest page of posts.
In a world were generic counters cost 3+ mana that does seem like a very potent card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamaican Zombie Legend
Modern Sideboards do.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
Well this thread 180'd today...
For what is obviously shaping up to be a slow limited format, a generic counterspell is more playable to begin with. Add in a 3/3 body and you have a huge two-for-one. This is first-pickable and should be rare. They probably tried it at uncommon and made games way too sad.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jamaican Zombie Legend
Interestingly, the opportunity cost of losing your attack in the event that you tap out to Awaken is removed since this is a card you will be playing 99% of the time on your opponent's turn.
In The Eye Of Chaos is a Legends card that makes all Instants cost an extra X where X is their mana cost .
So Dig Through Time costs an extra 8, and Force of Will costs and extra 5 (even if played for free)
Spells like Brainstorm and Swords to Plowshares would cost 2.
Sorceries like Ugin's Insight and Plea For Power are unaffected.
GO!
I suck at building decks.
maybe Sea Stompy shell
It's pretty cool. It can hold down creatures/clear the path for a certain 20/20 token/filter your draws. Plays incredibly well with Exploration and Life from the Loam or Sensei's Divining Top. Perhaps also a Zuran Orb or other sacrificing outlet (or just use Wastelands) and you've got a nice engine going.Quote:
Originally Posted by iamajellydonut
Oh, and it's kinda freaky with Knight of the Reliquary as long as you can keep sacrificing Forests/Plains.
http://mythicspoiler.com/bfz/cards/moltennursery.jpg
This card is pretty neat. It makes me dream of the death by 1000 cuts win condition of looping Tops over and over again. I wonder if this would help make the janky Helm of Awakening/Top combo deck better, this seems a lot better than Grapeshot.
Redaing the flavour text tells me that there shouldn't be any water in this picture. Oops.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies
Marginally more so. Countermagic isn't that great in Limited because of the way it slows your tempo, is easily telegraphed/played around, and is a horrible draw when facing opponents with developed boards. In an format that's mostly about creature beats, countermagic's downsides are far more pronounced.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrsthethird
There's plenty of equivalent or better two-for-ones at lower rarities. Look at the Eldrazi answer to Mystic Snake: Ulamog's Nullifier. It's real card advantage and can actually ambush an attacker or play the beatdown game early in a pinch, without requiring your opponent to play a spell. There's also an Awaken version of Vengeance at common...a much better topdeck at practically any point in the game. Breaker of Armies is essentially a one-sided wrath that makes all your other creatures unblockable at Uncommon. Rolling freakin' Thunder is at Uncommon as well, and is insane in any Limited format, even being first-pickable in some Cubes.Quote:
Add in a 3/3 body and you have a huge two-for-one. This is first-pickable and should be rare.
Nah, they probably just realized they could get away with putting another (Standard) staple 4-of at Rare. Just like Char, Thoughtseize, Hero's Demise, Exquisite Firecraft, etc.Quote:
They probably tried it at uncommon and made games way too sad.
That art director... The card design would have been so nice though. Taps for colorless, no water left anymore. Still requires blue to activate. High activation cost because getting that last drop of blueness takes a lot of energy, kind of like oil exploration...Quote:
Originally Posted by QBChaz
Beastcaller Expert 1G
Creature - Elf Shaman Ally (R)
Haste
Tap: Add one mana of any color to your mana pool. Use this mana only to cast creature spells.
1/1
......okay :eyebrow:. . . this set is weird.
Well... If it's hasty, it isn't all that bad. Especially since Elves! is exploring the Shaman of the Pack route. During a Glimpse chain you could use it (with the decks many untap effects) to make some extra black mana for the Shaman (when lacking a DRS or Birchlore Rangers). CMC 2 might doom it from the get-go though. Would be a 1-off at best (courtesy of GSZ).Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
I'm just glad they're printing some elves again.
Well, that's easily the most interesting ally spoiled so far. I wonder if that haste has any value in legacy/modern Elf decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Cire
WotC seems to like mana fixing for creatures as part of the new world order.
There's other utility to it, too - not just for GSZ but for general untap shenanigans with Symbiote and Quirion Ranger. So many times you could get good efficiency out of them but you just lack the dork. Not saying it's playable, but it's an interesting card at the very least. It's the best kind of design when you can't tell if it's any good yet the card is intriguing enough to try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
It will never ever say play in Elves. Two mana is three times more than 1 mana in Legacy even with Haste.
But yeah, I'm also happy they are at least printing some new Elves again...I hope.
It's utility is limited in Modern too. Combo Elves needs one drops to feed it's Leep chains and Company Elves is mostly a mono Green deck.
I wish Vampire tribal was a thing :cry:
Drana, Liberator of Malakir
1BB
Legendary Creature - Vampire Ally
Flying, first strike
Whenever Drana, Liberator of Malakir deals combat damage to a player, put a +1/+1 counter on each attacking creature you control.
http://mythicspoiler.com/bfz/cards/c...edisregard.jpg
Not a quite one I was hoping for.
Lots of expedition artwork
Some of them look pretty gorgeous, others suffer from random Hedrons jammed into them, cheap-looking, ugly art or just downright showing something else than the name tells you.
I love the first strike on that type of effect.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reaver027
At least they didn't fuck up the delta.. So many cards are just.. Not finished...
The lower part looks great, but I could do without the whole pink cotton mountain scenery.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
Just look at this:
http://i.imgur.com/M629Utw.jpg
Much more focus on the actual Delta.
They just had to go and fucking ruin the Overgrown Tomb with a giant piece of shit Hedron in the middle of it, didn't they?
Well, it'll save me a lot of money at least but come on, stop with the fucking hedron canon, you don't need to shoot hedrons in the middle of every damn landscape that would be otherwise beautiful.
Seriously though, who's at fault here for their artistic revisioning of stuff like Bloodstained Mire (a swampy patch of ground stained with blood) turning into:
http://cdn0.dailydot.com/uploaded/im...ained_Mire.jpg
Once again, nailed it.
This is my big issue with many of them!Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
After all the awful hedrons... and the arts that do not match the names...
A lot of the artwork looks like it was submitted halfway through creating it. :eyebrow:
You can present that art with any of the 4 directions as up and it would look pretty much the same...Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Ignition
I would not be surprised if a lot of this is actually concept art because the Expeditions, as others have speculated, were added at the last minute, after the deadlines for art submission for the main body of the set had passed.Quote:
Originally Posted by bruizar
It feels more like they reuse previously dismissed art from their portfolio. Otherwise, I can't explain the number of mismatches they produced with the expedition lands.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
The set feels more and more like something they pulled out of their ass. The art direction atrocious - fuck Mister "I'm Bob Ross and hedrons are my little fucking tree"-art director.
Makes me wish the set would flop because it shapes up to become a supreme pile of shit, but it will break sell records on name and expedition lands alone.
http://mythicspoiler.com/bfz/cards/c...edisregard.jpg
You know, I know that in the grand scheme of things this matters little, but -- it's one thing when a deck can circumnavigate an interaction like protection. Like if Pyrite Spellbomb were actually tech for RDW against Silver Knight, or something like that. It's not terribly efficient but it is what it is. Devoid is kind of an icky whitewashing effect on cards wherein color actually would matter a damn, it's almost like decks without Swamps rocking Disfigure or whatever, right, because you're inviting a deck to do something outside its normal capacity by putting an alt-cost on it (just pay life! what could possibly go wrong). I'm not certain that just blotting out the color of an in-color effect while requiring it to be cast in-color isn't the same kind of weird ass-hattery; there are protection knights and other random things that get shivved by this card and it's not that it's the best way or the most efficient way, but that it's "in color but not" and it just feels goofy.
I don't think it matters in a real "ohshi this bad deck is Tier 2 now, get rekt PTQ Llanfairpwllgwyngyllgogerychwyrndrobwllllantysiliogogogoch", it's just one of those oddball mechanics that chisels at some underlying Magic things that never really needed to be played around with, but I guess whatever, it's just a thing now. Like colored artifacts or cards with two fronts or what-have-you.
On a longer view, it feels like burnout, and I don't just say that because I don't feel great about the set or whatever, there's some stuff in it that kinda piques my interest. I just mean like, the ways in which cards are tinkered with feels like they're just changing stuff to change it, like they're going "what haven't we expressly messed with yet? what basic quality of the game just hasn't had like 5 ability words injected into its territory yet... oh, spell color. Every spell has a color.... BUT WHAT IF IT DIDNT OMG, PRINT IT"
Like the Benthnic Infiltrator made a Brutal Extraction...Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Hm, Ghostfire has been around for quite a while killing protection knights and it wasn't a problem. Just saying.Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
But I have to admit it upsets me a little bit, too, that they mess with some fundamentals of Magic with this set.
(Sidenote: In my opinion it was wrong the first time to print the Eldrazi. Emrakul made quite a mess, but not because he/she/it is colorless. :wink: )
Maybe it is a question of does it work to mix alien things into a fantasy game?
The Phyrexians were also quite alienlike last time, and I didn't really like it.
This actually makes a lot of sense. It wouldn't make any sense to have your cash-grab full art fetch mythic mythic rares to be rough, out of focus, seemingly random images of stuff that I guess sorta kinda maybe has a similar color pallet to what your lands should have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Aggro_zombies
Meanwhile, new tap-basic duals have some pretty amazing art on some of them. It totally lines up with the theory that the full arts were jammed in last second.
Because they totally don't shit on the fundamentals of Magic on a regular basis when :u: is involved. :rolleyes:Quote:
Originally Posted by joven
I wonder how many "Plan B"s they have when they realize a set is going to suck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Ignition
My problem with Devoid is that it (as of half the set being spoiled) doesn't seem to matter... at all...Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
At least Ingest makes the conditional cards work, so I get it even though I don't like it. But why do I care that the cards have no color?? What benefit does this provide? What strategy or cool deck can I explore because of it?
I'm actually a huge fan of Devoid existing. I like Ghostfire and stupid crap like Gathan Raiders that can be played without ever having to spend colored mana on it. I also understand that Devoid gets around color protection, my comment above was more about standard and limited (even though I don't play either) where protection is largely a lost mechanic. I want them to print some relevant Devoid cards for Legacy (something relevant BEB cannot touch, or Anarchy, or Mom).
This looks like a Molten Caverns. I see no blood, I see lava. I see no mire, I see caverns. Jeremy Jarvis is the art director. What can I say, good artist, terrible manager?Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Ignition
I'm still praying for the "give everything devoid" card. :cry:Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
Fuck it, I tweeted MaRo. I hope you guys also ask him about the terrible art direction.
Welp, I hope you're happy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
https://i.imgur.com/g5YCTnp.jpg
It's for Eldrazi flavor and there are cards that care about colorless creatures and spells.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ace/Homebrew
It's said Eldrazi predate the colors of magic.
Should have cost :8:, Aladdin's Ring-style. Could Battle for Zendikar be a return to Fallen Empires? :) It's getting closer by the card.Quote:
Originally Posted by Phoenix Ignition
I know Ghostfire is a thing, but Ghostfire was also a singleton in a set dedicated to what-ifs and maybe-nots and time travelly parallel universes and shit. A fair number of those cards are still more or less stranded, right -- not all the things have a block where they land and make sense or are clearly intended to reflect.
I mean the occasional sideboard techy thing is one thing, just seeing a whole keyword dedicated to undermining color is a little bit urksome. It's like the corollary to colored artifacts, or whatever. Colored artifacts didn't break anything but it's always a bit awk to see them, because the idea with artifacts was always that they were just stuff that was lying around and wasn't created to be cast by just a single color of mana. Now there are colorless objects that require colored mana to cast, so it's like... well okay great?
It's like when they dick around too much with exile (hey wait a minute) and you start going... oh, well, if you do that, it's not really exile anymore, it's just another graveyard. The line between game zones gets a little more worn out as they can be used for similar purposes. It seems like we typically disdain this kind of shenanigans if it's too numerous, but the one or two instances of guys that fetch things from exile or the one 3/3 owl that casts itself from exile, we don't usually care about that. Wishes are fine; an entire block of "get cards from your sideboard" would just be bad news.
Again it doesn't matter because I don't think the dynamics that it undermines are done in a powerful way or in a game-changing way, at least not as far as Eternal is concerned. It's like Unleash or Bushido, who gives a shit about it, it just exists. I dunno, I mean it just kind of begs the question in my mind, as to "why *this*?" What's gained by de-colorizing colored effects while still locking them into their place on the color wheel, exactly; Devoid counterspells can't be Pyroblasted, I guess? Black can finally answer those pesky White Knights with targeted removal?