[Official] Bitching About Prices, Buyouts and Reprints Thread

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Originally Posted by Havrekjex

Just to clarify:

If/when paper legacy becomes as rare as paper vintage is today, you expect duals to maintain their current prices or go higher?

I'm not making any claims to to the contrary, I don't know this shit. That's why I'm here asking all the stupid questions.

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My expectation is, that duals would not take a significant drop even if legacy takes the way of vintage.

If all legacy players sold their Duals today, yes maybe. But since it will be a slow death the market will just absorb, EDH is probably the format with the most players allready plus you have all the hoarders/speculators/collectors/bitcoinmoneypeople.

They should've put Noble Hierarch in M19, have it get dumpstered by Chain Whirler, then let us pick it up after they ban DRS.

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Originally Posted by MorphBerlin

My expectation is, that duals would not take a significant drop even if legacy takes the way of vintage.

If all legacy players sold their Duals today, yes maybe. But since it will be a slow death the market will just absorb, EDH is probably the format with the most players allready plus you have all the hoarders/speculators/collectors/bitcoinmoneypeople.

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EDH has some players, true, but people usually ignore the rise of 93/94. It's a format without fetchlands, and duals are usually played in playsets. All players of 2-color decks will want a playset of those colors dual land. It's worst when decks have 3 or more colors... The last deck I played was a UGR with a playset of volcanics, tropicals and taigas.

Yup. 93/94 is the rising format people here look like don't understand enough.

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Originally Posted by raudo

Yup. 93/94 is the rising format people here look like don't understand enough.

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Exactly, and those are mostly older players with lot of disposable income. Thats why I mean tthese people will soak up any duals coming from a diminishing legacy player base.

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Originally Posted by MorphBerlin

Exactly, and those are mostly older players with lot of disposable income. Thats why I mean tthese people will soak up any duals coming from a diminishing legacy player base.

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Yep, I know people who has gone full swedish in less than half a year (full power, many UNL duals, AN serendibs, ...). Not that I think it's the best way to play the format (too elitist, I prefer it full proxy, or at least with non foil original art and border reprints) but it's more expensive so it serves as an example. And they don't care about spending that much money so fast, as they could probably sell it in the future for even more money.

Usually it is embarassing to say what I said. But I tried about half a year ago in this topic to say that now it is last warning to buy Cities of Brass (AN) under $100 and Serendib Efreets (AN) under $200. But people just said that they are reprinted so why they would rise in prise. Both are used as 4-of in the most of best old school decks.

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Originally Posted by MorphBerlin

Exactly, and those are mostly older players with lot of disposable income. Thats why I mean tthese people will soak up any duals coming from a diminishing legacy player base.

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If the 93/94 FB groups I'm in are any indication, it's not exactly people with oodles of money buying this stuff haha

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Originally Posted by Mr.C

If the 93/94 FB groups I'm in are any indication, it's not exactly people with oodles of money buying this stuff haha

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This is good insight, a vast majority of OS players are on a budget. They share the same nostalgia but largely the comminuties aren't geared toward Full Swedish style card pools. French OS and EC are by far the most popular format styles of Oldschool because of the "proxy" allowance and a slightly bigger card pool.
One group I'm is all about the purist format, and all obv everyone makes enough money to compete, where in another group everyone is about getting decks and players together no matter how ragged and cheapo the cards are.

I think it demostrates the Pareto rule (80/20) quite well: that a smaller portion of the player base (e.g. Purists [no hating!]) have a disproportionately larger influence on the market than the majority of players in the format slinging old cardboard.

Prediction: within a decade a format spawns like the pauper version of Swedish Oldschool. Cheapo as possible, no one can play with P9 or the like, pimp is how ugly your cards can be and yet still be sleeve playable

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Originally Posted by jandax

pimp is how ugly your cards can be and yet still be sleeve playable

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Finally my time to rise has come!

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Originally Posted by PirateKing

Finally my time to rise has come!

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I knew my 5000 count box of gross white border cards would come in handy one day!

Revised USea took a pretty big dump on MCM. Any insight? DRS ban related?

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Originally Posted by whocansay

Revised USea took a pretty big dump on MCM. Any insight? DRS ban related?

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Most of the Revised Duals stabilised or started to go down. That is not the case for FWB and FBB.

edit: Maybe the spike of prices in Europe came from the success of the Legacy GP in the UK. After the banning of the most "entertaining" deck (Grixis) . It might fall to obscurity and people start to sell cards. You can get already a lot of stuff on ebay below the market value.

Yeah, perhaps. Trops went up quite a bit so it seems like a metagame-related shift. I'm still tempted to sell everything though, these prices are just insane. How long before the bubble bursts, I wonder.

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Originally Posted by whocansay

Yeah, perhaps. Trops went up quite a bit so it seems like a metagame-related shift. I'm still tempted to sell everything though, these prices are just insane. How long before the bubble bursts, I wonder.

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I do not want to suggest anything, but if you want to sell do it before Arena will come online. With WotC you do not know what other stupid decision they will make. With the paper quality declining and a professional online platform on the way.

The incoming months will be very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Matsu

I do not want to suggest anything, but if you want to sell do it before Arena will come online. With WotC you do not know what other stupid decision they will make. With the paper quality declining and a professional online platform on the way.

The incoming months will be very interesting.

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Realistically eternal formats arent going to be on Arena any time soon. Considering it took mtgo roughly 10 years (I think) to round out card availability for eternal formats, both through releasing old or supplementary sets, there are a lot of cards that would need to be released. They aren't going to release it all at once, and they have to fit it in between the currently cramped release schedule of products they are already doing. And all of this is assuming Arena survives and flourishes, which is definitely not a guarantee.

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Originally Posted by phonics

Realistically eternal formats arent going to be on Arena any time soon. Considering it took mtgo roughly 10 years (I think) to round out card availability for eternal formats, both through releasing old or supplementary sets, there are a lot of cards that would need to be released. They aren't going to release it all at once, and they have to fit it in between the currently cramped release schedule of products they are already doing. And all of this is assuming Arena survives and flourishes, which is definitely not a guarantee.

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I won't play if I cannot throw my chaos orb

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Originally Posted by guillemnicolau

I won't play if I cannot throw my chaos orb

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Chaos Confetti minigame!

Sayin'

That don't translate to digital.

You're the same username on reddit right?

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I don't do reddit. Just the Source. And Discord.

That was more to Guillemnicolau [emoji6]

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Originally Posted by jandax

Sayin'

That don't translate to digital.

You're the same username on reddit right?

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yep

and on twitter
and on mkm
and on factoriademishra.com (Spanish mtg blog)
and on ...

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Originally Posted by jandax

That was more to Guillemnicolau [emoji6]

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Sorry, my bad!

Man I wish I had gotten a playset of foil Grim Monoliths to complete my Eldrazi Post deck a while back. Right now you're luck to find them for $1k a piece. Insane. That's the one card that I can't really rationalize foiling out in the deck at the moment.

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Originally Posted by MGB

Man I wish I had gotten a playset of foil Grim Monoliths to complete my Eldrazi Post deck a while back. Right now you're luck to find them for $1k a piece. Insane. That's the one card that I can't really rationalize foiling out in the deck at the moment.

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Lol this reminds me of when I returned to Magic back in 2009/2010 after a seven or eight year break. There was a piece of my collection that I hadn’t sold (2001-2003 era extended and type II decks) and it contained a foil Grim Monolith. I didn’t feel like I needed it so I took it to a store in Federal Way, WA and the guy offered me $30 in credit. I used the credit to pick up two Candelabra of Tawnos.

Prices sure have changed a lot in eight years.

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Originally Posted by MGB

Man I wish I had gotten a playset of foil Grim Monoliths to complete my Eldrazi Post deck a while back. Right now you're luck to find them for $1k a piece. Insane. That's the one card that I can't really rationalize foiling out in the deck at the moment.

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Someone offered a trade of a foil GM for my foil 7th Ed Japanese BoP about a year or two ago. I turned it down. Did I commit /r/mtgfinance sin?

https://www.gamespot.com/articles/th.../1100-6461778/

In the Masters Division a Zoroark / Garbodor deck carved a path to a first place victory. I looked up how much it would cost to buy these cards online and, at the time of writing, this deck would cost a whopping £237.40 ($305) to build. Second place went to a Malamar deck, another staple in the format, which carries a price tag of £145.52 ($187). In at third was a Zygarde / Lycanroc deck to the tune of £168.70 ($217), and finishing in fourth we have a deck using the recently released Rayquaza-GX from the Celestial Storm expansion. This one would cost £213.40 ($274) to build with cards purchased from online sellers, and as it happens similar Rayquaza decks also filled in three more spots in the top 10 at 5th, 7th and 10th.

:laugh: can you imagine! Triple digits for A WHOLE DECK. Jeez!
Anyway, yeah, come up in my news feed, made me laugh.

Looks like the craziest spikes are now settled for a moment.. Are the prices slowly going back to normal (Grim Monoliths, Gaea's Cradles, Cities of Traitors etc) which are printed a lot.

If you've wanted to pick up a luxury/high-end Legacy card, and only want to spend a very large amount of money rather than an obscene amount, things are actually looking up for you

https://i.imgur.com/Q7pXgLX.png

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MiM2E5X7dXM

https://i.imgur.com/uAKd0MG.jpg?1

Art shown close up in the video starting at about 7:49.

Also mentioned is that fetches will get further reprints in a non-Standard set in 2020, so possibly the Commander Legends set.

magic youtubers keep talking about this crash on card prices.

what crash? u-sea is 300+ and even taiga is 200+

some say use ebay, but i'm seeing way too many overpriced bulk collections.

hi guys just need your opinion is it a good idea to buy power right now or it will slide more,

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Originally Posted by ed06288

magic youtubers keep talking about this crash on card prices.

what crash? u-sea is 300+ and even taiga is 200+

some say use ebay, but i'm seeing way too many overpriced bulk collections.

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From what I've seen its mostly Vintage/Old School stuff dropping.

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Originally Posted by big_ticket

hi guys just need your opinion is it a good idea to buy power right now or it will slide more,

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Rudy said it will keep dropping for a couple more months.

What is up with Orim's Chant right now? The card jumped to $45 (mtggoldfish price). Ebay reflects a big jump and the big stores are sold out.

cEDH as far as I know... it's causing lots of cards to spike pretty hard these days. :cry:

Take it easy,
Jared

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Originally Posted by thulnanth

cEDH as far as I know... it's causing lots of cards to spike pretty hard these days. :cry:

Take it easy,
Jared

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Yeah, other "odd" stuff like Worldly Tutor as well, I guess. Just another day in the life...

Double Masters set.

https://i.imgur.com/UHZEJVu.png?1

Just give credit where it's due... I love that alt-art Doubling Season box topper. So happy it was f'n cats. Baby dinos, MTG still knows how to do a few things correctly.

How have we gone this long without more bitching? I've been chuckling to myself when I see threats of class action suits over the laughable card quality. I'm not Perry Mason (does anyone on this forum get that reference?) but I don't think there's much of a case for buying a product that no one is forcing you to buy. That being said, there must be creative ways to send Wizards a message. Besides putting a sign in the parking lot, playing Arena, and boycotts...
Luckily, my LGS tends to get new releases that are printed in Japan but those boxes are in limited supply. When I see sealed product "Made in the USA" I have to reconsider my purchase; the card quality is unacceptable. When do people catch on and start listing print quality on eBay, TCG player, etc? At some point people will be willing to pay more for better printed cards, right? I tried this one selling a Japanese printed Expedition fetchland, but it didn't seem to matter. The cardstock and glossy accents on those Japanese expeditions is noticably better.
Happy new year Source!!

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Originally Posted by the Thin White Duke

How have we gone this long without more bitching?

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A phrase I honestly never thought I'd hear in a MtG thread (let alone a finance one, lol).

Happy New Year!!!

Jared