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i absolutely did read through it. i didnt find the answers which is why im asking. you're quite helpful. I honestly dont know if chandra, pyromaster or koth is better. i understand they are wincons. but when am i really bringing it. in.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
I'm playing Koth. Miracles has very few ways to get him off the table, and zero ways to deal with his emblem.
^jandax wasn't being rude, just stating that this deck is also control, which is true.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJT
Anyways, alternate winconcs are discussed for a reason, as there's no real answer for which one is "best" at all times, it all depends on metagame and personal preferences.
As for when to bring them in, it's mostly against control, as you can slam down a 1-card wincon after they've depleted their counterspells and removal on your combo pieces. Eventually against eldrazi decks (ex Sneak'n'Show), as combo needs even more setup and can be hard to establish through SB hate from their side. And of course, it depends on which beatstick you're using.
The too much popular Miracles is maybe the reason why we're runnings alts at all, as you'd bring in any additional bombs available. Koth was total king before, but lack a bit standing power due to Mentor atm, which is why you won't see him too often anymore. Still the best against them if you can keep mentor of the table, or resolve a bridge and keep hand empty.
Chandra is awesome against DnT and Y.Pyromancer, but less useful than Koth against Miracles and Sneak'n'Show due to Koth's ult. So check your meta for what to expect~
There's others, and personally I'm running Pia and Kiran Nalaar atm. I like it because it can be tutored, and fits as a 1-of in my current Delver and Miracles infested meta.
You should not bring them in against other combos decks (no shit) or other fast decks such as Merfolk, Zoo, burn, etc..
Pretty sure the past ten pages had multiple lists but too lazy to check. I think I'm the only one if not one of the few running pyromaster right now. I run her main. You bring koth in vs control decks. 2 bridge main, 1 board. I think duergar hedge mage is better than manic vandal. There's a definite argument for heretic at the moment though. The answer for burn is pretty split but I think sphere of law is a much better answer as leaving the mana up for cop can be rough and often would require tapping Ancient Tomb anyway.
That's why I mentioned it. And I wasn't being rude, but a first post from someone just asking known questions doesn't really motivate people to respond. How was one to know that you read through a good bit of the thread?
I'd like to chime in on heretic: I have both heretic and hedge Mage in my board. Heretic has sometimes been too slow but when it shines it's winning you the game, which is what I want in a silver bullet.
You're spot on about the other things you mentioned and if I were you, just go with jacks updated list. It's tuned for the American scg style meta, which is why you're choosing the deck over esper right?
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Some of this has been answered already.
The first few posts of this thread has a sideboard guide that is actually still pretty relevant.
Yeah that's about it, it's to slow in most other matchups. I guess you could bring it in against Sneak and Show as a finisher since milling them out is off the table, but the more important aspect to that matchup is getting a revoker on Sneak Attack, and getting a Bridge into play. The reason you would play this card is because you've got ways to find it unlike say Koth which we have no tutor for.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJT
Basically the same as Assemble the Legion, harder to deal with but not a card you can tutor for.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJT
COP:Red isn't bad, but as others have pointed out Sphere of Law might be the better choice if you want to beat Burn... that said I think any card you have in your sideboard should do double duty or be applicable in other matchups. Rando thought of the day, have we considered Eidolon of Rhetoric? Blocks red creatures pretty good, and slows there clock a lot, and is outside of bolt range. It's also seems decent against storm.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJT
Yes. Keep in mind on of the better things you can do aginst RUG / BUG decks with Goyf is to deny them Green Mana with Moons. Rest in Peace is indeed really good, but better against RUG IMO since it also makes Nimble Mongoose pretty weak.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJT
Heretic is better against Stoneforge Mystic / MUD strategies, Vandal is better when you expect that you'll only need to blow up like one artifact (null rod, Pithing Needle, Revoker)Quote:
Originally Posted by AJT
I am running two main and zero in the board, and plan to lean on Enlightend Tutor more to find this when needed. But I think two main 1 in the board is more popular.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJT
The chances of you having a miror match are minimal. I think the sideboard strategy would be minimal. +Vandal and any Revokers you might have maybe take out a red blast or 2?Quote:
Originally Posted by AJT
Chandra is a fine card, but I don't know that I would run her in the R/W version even though she can regain you some of the Card Advantage you lose. Others have pointed out the pros and cons already.Quote:
Originally Posted by AJT
If you want a sweeper I think your better off with Pyroclasm, Slice and Dice or Pyrokinesis, over Electrickery.
Rite of the Raging Storm Is a pretty intresting card.
Seems a bit faster then Assemble the Legion.
Still gets hit by Wear//Tear and while initially untapping with it is better than AtL, I'd rather have AtL out because in the long run it will generate more damage. And it does not play well with bridge at all.
Good point on bridge.Quote:
Originally Posted by jandax
Not sure that it's extremely relevant that AtL will out grow it in the long run, because by the time that happens they should already be basically dead...
Not playing well with Bridge is a very relevant point though.
Yeah because Entreat is a real card and wincon for them and above all a 3CMC that hurts us. That with Clique and Council's Judgement, they'll have plenty of chances to score a 3CMC card when they get CB online. Bridge has saved me plenty of times from Entreat and nowadays with Mentors running amok I'm leaving it in and going the dork-beatdown wincon route (assuming I can't combo off)
Hi,
I am preparing my deck list and it is difficult for me to decide witch sideboard i will playing. Can someone help me please?
Mains list :
1 Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
2 Simian Spirit Guide
1 Magus of the Moon
4 Imperial Recruiter
4 Painter's Servant
1 Ethersworn Canonist
3 Goblin Welder
4 Blood Moon
2 Ensnaring Bridge
3 Sensei's Divining Top
2 Enlightened Tutor
4 Grindstone
3 Lotus Petal
4 Pyroblast
3 Red Elemental Blast
1 Plains
3 Mountain
1 Great Furnace
1 Wooded Foothills
3 City of Traitors
4 Ancient Tomb
2 Plateau
4 Arid Mesa
Sideboard :
2 Koth of the Hammer
1 Duergar Hedge-Mage
1 Vexing Shusher
1 Phyrexian Revoker
1 Sphere of Law
1 Trinisphere
1 Thorn of Amethyst
1 Rest in Peace
1 Enlightened Tutor
1 Red Elemental Blast
2 Sudden Demise
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Engineered Explosives
I can not go to Seatle but i will go to an other tournament this week. I think the meta game is storm, miracle, elfes, BUG, Loam...
I am not sure for 2 Sudden Demise + 1 Vexing Shusher. Firebolt is missing i know, is-it a problem or not?
Thanks for your anwser!
Any painter players attending the GP want to meet up for group picture before the event?
I will be at the GP. Don't know that I will make it for a photo op, but otherwise wouldn't mind putting some names with faces. My name is Dan Rude. Hope to see some of you there!
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And here I thought you were the "Rude Dude" and just combined it for Drude. :P sadly can make it to the Pacific NW but I'm saving it for my trip to the NJ open in a few weeks.
Good luck this weekend, guys!
Painter mirror in the finals?Quote:
Originally Posted by Uroborian
What match ups do you sideboard out blasts?
You can side out a couple if you got a lot of important SB cards against a non-blue deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by nonbasicland
Quite normal against Elves and Maverick since there's often a lot of burn to be slotted in addition, and not too much of the main is dead.
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Just finished my day 1 with no byes, 8-1. Lost last round to veteran explorer/cloud post/eldrazi deck.