Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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Arcadia
2 disfigures and 3 abrupt decay make no sense at all. You're reducing your chances of destroying lots of things, with something that is not so important. I would run morethan 4 decays if I could.
I think 3/2 is a perfectly reasonable split… it is what I run (with the 4th decay in the sideboard). This is also somewhat related to the Thoughtseize vs Hymn argument; the deck is just way too crowded at the 2cc slot. Disfigure and Thoughtseize help out so much. Have fun beating a turn one Mother of Rune from DnT without either.
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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deviant
Every time my opponent plays thoughtseize in TA mirror I do this "self five" thing as he just used a mana, card and 2 life to end up taking my hymn most likely. I would rather resolve probe there.
Started keeping track of my matches online. Last 50 I'm having a 72,5 win%
The deck being more known and actually represented in the online meta makes it harder to win as much as before.
That's a pretty sweet record, my win record is only at 65% :laugh:
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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Originally Posted by
deviant
Every time my opponent plays thoughtseize in TA mirror I do this "self five" thing as he just used a mana, card and 2 life to end up taking my hymn most likely. I would rather resolve probe there.
Started keeping track of my matches online. Last 50 I'm having a 72,5 win%
The deck being more known and actually represented in the online meta makes it harder to win as much as before.
Not quite sure how you get 72,5 win% out of 50, but that is certainly "self five" worthy.
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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Razorwynd
Not quite sure how you get 72,5 win% out of 50, but that is certainly "self five" worthy.
98.7% of statistics from The Source are made up on the spot.
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
Its complete BS...he won a 1/4 game
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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KobeBryan
Its complete BS...he won a 1/4 game
Is this why hymn is so good…?
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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Originally Posted by
Razorwynd
Not quite sure how you get 72,5 win% out of 50, but that is certainly "self five" worthy.
My bad, last 51 matches. Didn't think it was that important.
Also, if you seize me at paris, I'll promise to do this to you. (edit: if it is, in fact TA mirror)
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Lejay
98.7% of statistics from The Source are made up on the spot.
This is true, I actually had to use a calculator to do this on the spot.
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KobeBryan
Its complete BS...he won a 1/4 game
Are we done being dicks yet?
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Razorwynd
Is this why hymn is so good…?
No, I also win with the TNN-seize version.
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akatsuki
That's a pretty sweet record, my win record is only at 65% :laugh:
Yeah, your are from GP days 2's etc. Mine are from modo as I said. -> not that impressive.
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
Great article on Starcitygames Bob! Loved the play by play and sideboard decisions. Thanks for laying the groundwork for others to follow.
I would love your reasoning for why Sylvan went to sideboard and upping the number of cliques and grips for less charms. Are you just not afraid of Elves?
And is Tar Pit just not good enough any more?
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
Sylvan is in the board because I prefer Liliana. She's insane right now. Elves is certainly scary, but I wanted to play 2 Krosan Grips and I felt as though there was too much overlap.
I personally find Tar Pit too low impact, but Dan and the Hatfields both like it, so I may be wrong about it.
Here's a round by round recap in case you're interested: http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/s...451#post787451
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
Has anybody else thought about SBing Massacre at all? It's obviously more double sided than Golgari Charm, but it's free and it outright kills Delver of Secrets and Stoneforge Mystic in Patriot. Seems like a reasonable enough argument to try and run it as like a 2x in the board?
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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Originally Posted by
Razorwynd
I think 3/2 is a perfectly reasonable split… it is what I run (with the 4th decay in the sideboard). This is also somewhat related to the Thoughtseize vs Hymn argument; the deck is just way too crowded at the 2cc slot. Disfigure and Thoughtseize help out so much. Have fun beating a turn one Mother of Rune from DnT without either.
I haven't tested maindeck TS, although I think it can work, it's a different play style for the deck - Which I don't like - .
But Abrupt Decay is superior as maindeck card, as it hits equips, balances, tarmogoyfs, batterskull tokens and it can be countered (this includes daze). The other thing is that you're not swapping 3 abrupts to improve the curve, you're changing 1 abrupt decay for 1 disfigure, which will improve the curve 5% of the time, and will lower your chances to kill something important 15% of the time. (Yes, my statistics are also made on the spot :laugh:)
Just one thing to remind: You can't beat all the draws, so sometimes if the opponent draws mother T1 and you have a decay, you will be screwed. In the same way if the opponent draws jitte and you have disfigure you will be screwed. That's life.
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Final Fortune
Has anybody else thought about SBing Massacre at all? It's obviously more double sided than Golgari Charm, but it's free and it outright kills Delver of Secrets and Stoneforge Mystic in Patriot. Seems like a reasonable enough argument to try and run it as like a 2x in the board?
I did it, and it feels sweet at the beginning, but when you play it half of the time you're unhappy because you have delver or shaman (I tested it against Patriot). If I would have space I would run 1 or 2. It seems very good against death and taxes.
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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Originally Posted by
Arcadia
I haven't tested maindeck TS, although I think it can work, it's a different play style for the deck - Which I don't like - .
But Abrupt Decay is superior as maindeck card, as it hits equips, balances, tarmogoyfs, batterskull tokens and it can be countered (this includes daze). The other thing is that you're not swapping 3 abrupts to improve the curve, you're changing 1 abrupt decay for 1 disfigure, which will improve the curve 5% of the time, and will lower your chances to kill something important 15% of the time. (Yes, my statistics are also made on the spot :laugh:)
Just one thing to remind: You can't beat all the draws, so sometimes if the opponent draws mother T1 and you have a decay, you will be screwed. In the same way if the opponent draws jitte and you have disfigure you will be screwed. That's life.
I'll admit that Thoughtseize may not be the correct choice even in the current meta (or at least my meta). It's been good so far, but again, I'm playing against a ton of Elves and Stoneforge decks where it really shines and Force is only ok.
Those statistics are definitely not the whole story. It's pretty common to cantrip to find an answer, and in those cases, both the probability of finding your one-of and the chance that you need your one-of to be cheap go up. If you're constantly playing against Esperblade or Miracles, no, Disfigure is not going to be the best maindeck card. Again, look at your meta.
Also, awesome article, Bob! Good to see you get a spot on starcity. I really liked the discussion of how Team American can flexibly adopt roles and how crucial it is to pick the correct role for a hand and matchup. Good analysis.
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
Massacre is terrible. Against UW/x Blade, it's rare to get a 2 for 1, and you also typically start out ahead. They also can kill all of your creatures post sb as the Blade player will have RIP and you probably won't have Stalker.
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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deviant
99% of the time I lead with drs.
It provides more possibilities of broken openings and hedges against waste etc.
The corner cases where I lead with delver involve: drs not helping me with pressure (need to keep up pierce w/mana to pay for daze) and not having hymn in hand. In other words - when setting clock up is of utmost importance and the hand+mu make this decision, you just obey.
If you do not have a fetch in hand and are up f.e. omnitell -> delver seems more appealing than usual.
Remember children, we are a terrible delver deck - try to not play the deck like you would play rug or even uwr.
Sent from phone, while drunk. Cheers.
Sorry that this may be common knowledge, but what do you mean that TA is a terrible delver deck? Are you referring to DRS usually being the better T1 play instead of Delver that RUG or UWR would probably more strongly consider as a viable T1 move?
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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aznepyon7
Sorry that this may be common knowledge, but what do you mean that TA is a terrible delver deck? Are you referring to DRS usually being the better T1 play instead of Delver that RUG or UWR would probably more strongly consider as a viable T1 move?
You have a lower instant/sorcery count than both of those decks
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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testing32
You have a lower instant/sorcery count than both of those decks
This. Our delvers do not flip as often, and we don't run (md) pierce that most delver decks use to protect it.
Delver is however, a very good card against pretty much all the combo decks, helps make our blue count barely enough to run force and is a crucial part in combating RiP in postboard games.
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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akatsuki
Massacre is terrible. Against UW/x Blade, it's rare to get a 2 for 1, and you also typically start out ahead. They also can kill all of your creatures post sb as the Blade player will have RIP and you probably won't have Stalker.
I don't think it's terrible but it's definitely not as flexible as Golgari Charm, there were a couple of situations where being able to kill off a SFM that tutored for Batterskull while tapping out for Tarmogoyf were pretty clutch plays.
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
how do u side against reanimate and lands?
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Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
Dark Confidant in this deck?
Re: [DTB] Team America (Aggro/Tempo Thread)
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SORO
Dark Confidant in this deck?
It's already been discussed. Some people like it and some people don't. The Hymn Stalker version is generally more popular, but it's not unheard of for someone to have success with a build running Dark Confidant. Here's a recent one: http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=62695.