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I wish you the best luck for you, Rock all of them Lemnear!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I would appreciate regardless you do well or not in the GP a report about how the things went for you, I really enjoy your reports!
Quick question TES players. I know there's no replacement for a good sideboard, and trying to play budget versions of good legacy decks is a dumb idea, but I currently have TES made (Bryants list minus the Bayou, I've been using a gemstone mine) and I can't currently afford the green splash. If you were in my position, what would be some possible replacements for the decays and xantids in the sideboard? Bear in mind, I'll eventually just buy the green splash, but the legacy players I play with aren't that great and I haven't had trouble wrecking local events up until now (the events here are proxy, so I either proxy the green splash or just go with random cards like wipe away and still win because I'm much more experienced). Any suggestions would be great.
Stick to three colours and just play one additional discard and a few Pyroblasts on side would be my advice. The good thing about this is that you kind of "give up" on the CounterTop matchups, which allows for more space to make sure you win all the other matchups. Dread of Night is one card you may have space for now. But of course this all depends on what the other guys play. Dread of Night makes no sense if no one in your meta plays Maverick or Deat&taxes. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Countertoplol
I was playing a 3 color build a few months back, and it wasn't "giving up" to countertop lock. EE, Pithing Needle, and Pyroblast gives you a lot of chances to aggress against Miracles and fight the lock, EE also doubles as hatebear removal if youre playing both basics.Quote:
Originally Posted by Countertoplol
I'm just back to the hotel and have taken a shower as the venue was NOT AIR CONDITIONED (was/is broke) and pure hell to stay there, not even talking about playing. Anyway, tomorrow it counts and I will just grab good and go building a 75 for tomorrow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Countertoplol
For your question: you can play without the greensplash with Pyroblasts and Wipe Aways to handle S&T as well as Counterbalance and stuff.
While we wait for the first reports in Lille, I might as well write down what happened last night at our weekly event.
I didn't have any Shattering Spree and since I expect Elves! to be played, I didn't bother to pack Dread of Night for a single deck. Ended 3-1.
1-2 vs Death & Taxes
2-1 vs Junk
2-1 vs The Gate
2-0 vs Elves
Round 1 vs Death & Taxes
Game 1
I win the dice roll. I get the following hand: Ad Nauseam, LED, LED, Dark Ritual, Gitaxian Probe, Brainstorm, Cabal Therapy. That's right, no land. I still choose to keep as if I can manage to draw a land on turn 1 with a Gitaxian Probe, I'm very well settled for a T2 Ad Nauseam, if I learn from previous mistake and learn how to put back an Ad Nauseam on top. I play GP. I see SFM, SFM, Auriok Champion, Enlightened Tutor, Aether Vial, Rishadan Port, Plains. I'm glad to see I'm relatively safe. On the GP draw, lucky me, I get a Polluted Delta. I use it to fetch an USea, play Cabal Therapy and name SFM, in case my Ad Nauseam would fizzle and leave me with Goblins.
He drops a Plains at his turn and pass.
I draw a second Brainstorm on my T2. My T2 is compromised, but I'll at least setup for a T3. I play my first Brainstorm to see if I have any luck. I see a Swamp, a Lotus Petal, and a third LED. I feel it. I put back my Dark Ritual first, and then my Ad Nauseam on top of my library. I put Swamp down, then Petal, then 3 LEDs. Sacrifice LED to Brainstorm, I response I sacrifice my LEDs for 6 black and 3 red, resolve Brainstorm, draw Ad Nauseam, and the combo goes on alone. I'm glad I could correct my missplay in the tournament that quickly, but I'm afraid of the next games.
Game 2
I choose to try something new while I wait for the Shattering Spree and not board any sweepers. I go for -2 Duress, -1 Ponder, +2 CoV, +1 Void Snare.
My first hands are horrid to my eyes, but maybe will you tell me other wise: Polluted Delta, Polluted Delta, Infernal Tutor, Cabal Therapy, Cabal Therapy, Lotus Petal, Chain of Vapor. I'm on the draw, I would rather have not that many discard and no way to discard my hand before turn 4 for Infernal Tutor. I guess I could have hoped to find a Ritual on the draws, Infernal the said Ritual, and then hope to go from there, but I felt like it would be too little too late in the best of case. Was my judgment clouded by my fear of D&T, or was it a ''correct'' hand that you could have threw too?
My first mulligan was the following: Infernal Tutor, Infernal Tutor, Burning Wish, Burning Wish, Polluted Delta, Chain of Vapor. Virtual mulligan when multiple tutor, you said?
Bloodstained Mire, Cabal Therapy, LED, Burning Wish and Empty the Warrens was my final hand. I guess I was hoping of drawing a Brainstorm/Gitaxian Probe and do a small goblin trick by Turn 1.
He opens with a Plains, pass. I draw a GP (didn't note down what I drew). I see Thalia, Ghost Quarter, Karakas, Jitte, Talia, Enlightened Tutor. Fetch, name Thalia with the Cabal Therapy. By the end of my turn, he plays Tutor for Ethersworn Canonist. On his turn, he drops Karakas, play the Canonist. Fine by me. I draw a land, I play it, I BW for Massacre and expect to kill his Canonist and be free to go next turn.
Now I had all the information to expect the following play, but I guess I didn't have the experience to think about it. He dropped his Ghost Quarter, destroyed his Plains, so I couldn't cast Massacre. If I went for a Pyroclasm, I would have won the game, as the following turn I drew enough mana and business to kill him. He dropped a Thalia by turn 4, + the Canonist, I stood no chance at that point.
Game 3
Opening hand was: Rite of Flame, Burning Wish, Burning Wish, Infernal Tutor, Dark Ritual, Cabal Therapy, Ponder. My next 6 was Gitaxian Probe, Bloodstained Mire, Dark Ritual, Underground Sea, Cabal Therapy, Ponder. I kept this.He mulligans. Being hell of afraid of a Chalice, I lead with GP, and expect to Cabal Therapy after. I see Flickerwisp, Flickerwisp, Chalice, Plains, Plains, Ghost Quarter. I name Chalice and I'm very confident. Sadly, my notes were't great for this game, and I can't tell what I drew or what happened after. He topdecks a Thalia. We play land drops for a while, I make sure to drop my artifacts before a Chalice comes into play, to force him to drop a Chalice @1 instead. I manage to draw a Burning Wish I play while has a Flicker Wisp and a Thalia in play, to wipe the board next turn with Massacre. At the end of his turn, he still drops a Chalice @0, despite my bate. I play Massacre for 1 at my turn, then follow with a Cabal Therapy aiming on Stoneforge Mystic, as I plan to go Goblin next turn and don't want to race a Batterskull. He shows a Flickerwisp in hand with an other Thalia, and he topdecks an Ethersworn Canonist. I can't come back from that.
An other loss to Death & Taxes.
Round 2 vs Junk
This guy is a friend of us, but could only come back on the islands for the week, so he couldn't play before. He's by far the most ''involved'' in Legacy beside me I guess, he makes researches for his decks, etc. He wants to win and have fun studying the game.
Game 1
My funniest TES game ever, by far. Short story short, I win the dice roll, choose to play. I have a hand to go for 12 goblins turn 1 when I know he plays Junk, and play a Zealous Persecution maindeck. Adrenaline rush, gambling time, I go for it. I ask him, just for fun, if he has it in hand. He says no, so we're all excited. He top decks in front of me, showing me his card... Zealous Persection. I was so ready to scoop as we were both laughing hard already, but then I flip in front of him, my own top deck, Cabal Therapy.
Game 2
I choose not to sideboard, following the same logic as D&T: BW will only cost 4 mana for a wipe, instead of 2 mana, sure, but a hope to draw. I draw the following: Bloodstained Mire, Burning Wish, Rite of Flame, Dark Ritual, Polluted Delta, Brainstorm, Brainstorm. He mulligans to 5.
I draw an other Burning Wish, I play a land.
My notes say in his turn, he Wasteland my land (which would mean I either fetched for no reason, missed a play, or I had a dual instead of a fetch in hand), and that I Brainstorm in response. He plays a DRS after that. My Brainstorm saw a BW, Ponder & USea. I didn't want an other BW, so I drew Ponder, fetched, and then played Ponder on my turn. At that point, I have BW, BW, BS, VS, DR, RoF in hand. I see GP, Ponder, Bayou with my Ponder. I choose to shuffle and thus draw a Swamp. I pass.
On his turn, he plays a fetch, and pass.
I draw an Infernal Tutor and I can't win at the moment. My notes are confusing, but with 3 Tutors in hands, I choose to Swamp > BW > Massacre while I still can. I choose to get on the Infernal Tutor train instead. However, at his turn, he Wastes my Volcanic and play an SFM.
I take a second to note the board state that time.
I'm at 16. He has SFM on the board and a Batterskull (+1 an other card) in hand. I have in play a Volcanic and a Swamp, and an Infernal Tutor, a Burning Wish, a RoF, a DR, an USea and a BS in hand. I can't go for Goblins while he has a Batterskull, that I know for a fact. I'm planning to go on a Ad Nauseam soon enough with the Infernal, but I feel like Past in Flames could be a great option if needed on the Tendrils. Thus, I choose to go for a Grapeshot kill on his SFM, making sure to have Grapeshot in my grave, then hope for the best. RoF + DR + BW goes in the grave.
He passes. I draw an Infernal Tutor. I feel done, but then, my lucky BS out of my USea shows me an LED, Ponder and Probe. I choose the LED, and then tap Swamp + Volcanic to play that extra Infernal Tutor on the LED, and feel good for a second win in a row.
Actually, it would have happened if I didn't forget to play my 2 fresh LEDs in play. As I kept them in hand, on his turn, he sacrifices his top deck SFM to a Cabal Therapy in his graveyard, and I lose a few turns of hard work as he takes away my 2 LEDs. Frustrating, yes, but I guess it takes time to get the good reflexes. Again, I'll learn from that. I scoop, ashamed, and get ready for the next game.
Game 3
Didn't take notes, video shows a T2 18 Goblins after I checked his hand with Probe.
Round 3 vs The Gate
Game 1
I'm on the draw. My hand is the following: LED, BS, Duress, GP, GP, Ponder, Volcanic. I feel ready to play a game of cantrips city.
He leads with a Swamp > Lotus Petal. It takes nothing, but it's an other reminder that I need to put my LED down on my turn, especially after that missplay G2 vs Junk. I choose to GP instead of Duress right away: his main deck doesn't have sweepers, and I'm sure some Goblins could win early if given the opportunity. However, I see Cabal Therapy, Dark Confidant, Bitterblossom, Bitterblossom, Liliana. I feel a bit safer and give myself a max turn 3 Ad Nauseam, which should be easily doable with so many cantrips and already an LED. So I Brainstorm, and see BS, IT, and an other LED. Game is won next turn, even without floating mana
Game 2
I don't have anymore notes, but I guess the video footage can help here. I keep my hand. He opens again with Cabal > Lotus Petal. He misses.
On my turn, I play a Gitaxian Probe. I choose to play Brainstorm after. I pass. He plays something else, probably an other discard. I think I hide well, but then, I can't win on my turn, and his Turn 3 is Hymn to Tourach that gets my BW down, and an Extirpate on that BW. My only way to win is to cast a good Empty the Warren from the cards I have in my library... I'm pretty sure it's possible, but we're turn 3 and he has a Dark Confidant online. I still try to go before Jitte, I put 10 Goblins down. Somehow I feel hopeful. And then, he drops an Engineered Plague.
Game 3
We both mulligan. I had 2 Cabal Therapy and 1 Duress in that hand, I remembered that trading discard for discard was ok in this matchup, but without fuel or business I would rather not try. On my turn, a drop a LED and a land. He plays Duress on his turn and take out Dark Ritual. If I remember properly, I had at that moment two Burning Wishes in hand and a few other things I couldn't cast yet. I choose to play with a Past in Flames plan before he makes me discard my Burning Wishes and maybe Extirpate them. I doubt a top deck Engineered Plague will happen again, but hey, we're not there yet. On my second turn, after his Duress, I thus cast a Burning Wish searching for Past in Flames. If he hits PiF with Hymn instead of something else, I'll be fine.
Exactly what happens. He hits Burning Wish and Past in Flames with Hymn to Tourach at his turn. I have no pressure at the moment, I'm still at 20, he has no creature. My biggest fear becomes Extirpate, but I try to build before he can reach it. I of course have no cards in hand because of all the discard, but I top deck an Infernal Tutor I play with mana, in order to get an other LED. On my next turn, I sacrifice the LED, making mana to flashback Past in Flames, and with my lands I play Infernal Tutor, going for LED, again on my other Infernal, so I soon get 4 LEDs, and since he doesn't have that Extirpate vs my BW, I win with a Tendrils as I flashback the BW he discarded with Hymn. A very confusing game, first time I was thrown in such a situation, but it ended well and it was fun. The discard I usually fear helped me quite a lot on that last game.
Round 4 vs Elves
Game 1
Not much to say. I win the dice roll, I have a turn 1 Ad Nauseam. She didn't play anything.
Game 2
She starts with a DRS. My hand, after my first draw, is Dark Ritual, 3 Fetches, and 4 Brainstorm. I play a first Brainstorm, manage to get a LED, play it, and pass. He fetches on her turn 2, gets a Bayou, and she plays an Elvish Visionary. She exiles my fetch and play a Wirewood Symbiote on top of that. I play a Brainstorm again, I don't see what I draw, but I pass. I know I have to go next turn before he combos off. She casts Thoughtseize on her turn, I respond with a Brainstorm, hiding my essentials, and win shortly after.
3-1.
I understand we'll have much more exciting matches to rate with Lille going on, but if any of you have time to correct or questions any of my plays, please do so! I'm third on our ranking and next week could put me in lead. We'll know soon. I'll keep it quiet with the questions until we clear out Lille event, but please, for all of you TES players, remember that every play you share is a part of knowledge someone else benefits from.
Thanks again!
First of all, you seem to be learning quite quickly. These plays look a lot better than previous reports. The fact that part of your notes are fuzzy is no surprise. It takes time to make accurate, efficient notes. I am still unable to take proper notes, and I have been playing this deck since 2008. :tongue:
This is a classic. Excellent play by your opponent, and a very understandable mistake on your part. The fact that one can blow up own cards too, in order to disrupt opposing cards is an often overlooked option. I could have made that mistake. Don't feel too bad about it, but do try to remember it.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDX
I think your mulligans were all correct this match.
LOL, nice! :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by LDX
PS. If no one had revealed any of the cards drawn, you should always have played that Therapy, naming Persecution. I trust, having a bit more experience now, you would not have forgot about that?
I see no reason to not fire off the Duress here. What was your reasoning? More cards in hand is better, if only so you have a better chance to keep your best cards against a Hymn. When his targeted discard has a target other than your discard, you should try to get rid of his discard spells. Besides, as your play shows, you had nothing better to do anyway. :wink:Quote:
Originally Posted by LDX
with such a first hand I would have passed the turn expecting petal or land to draw, on next turn you will draw polluted - fetch and play B.S. leaving A.N on top - next G.P and crack both LEDs in response - play A.N and win.Quote:
Originally Posted by LDX
Don't know if this is trivial and will help...
EDIT: My storm neighbour from here Spain and me are building a new storm deck based on Dark Petition - We are thinking in creating a new Thread for this - we believe it has a different lines of play to create a new Deck Thread in Developmental. We are very entusiastic by this deck as the results are beeing quite impresive in real testing.
What do you think Storm friends? should we create a new thread?
- it is faster than ANT, slower than TES
- better built for the late game than TES and maybe than ANT
- it has 2 Engines - No Ad nauseam
- it packages Doomsday BUT no senseis.
- It neither packages Infernals
the con is that is more G.Y. dependant HOWEVER we found some nice tricks to win even with tormods or Lyline of the void in play!
I guarranty the results of testing are veery impressive, still I love TES the most... however this reminds me like I'm playing old DDFT but even quicker!
The deck is as follows (remember that was the creator of this deck):
1 Island
1 Swamp
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Polluted Delta
2 Underground Sea
1 Badlands
1 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
4 Thougtseize (at first were 4 duress 3 therapy, dont know about this package...)
3 Duress
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
4 Gitaxian Probe
4 Dark Petition
And the perfect engine!!!
1 Past in Flames
1 Ideas Unbound
1 Burning Wish
2 Doomsday
1 Tendrils of Agony
sideboard (still under construction)
2 Carpet of Flowers
4 Abrupt Decay
2 Chain of Vapor
1 Echoing Truth
1 Hurkyl's Recall
2 Massacre
1 Karakas
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 The card like Silence but in green - I never remind this card name...
1 Shelldock Isle
1 Emrakul
1 P. Nedle
More discard
maybe EtW?
Thanks for the encouragement! I start to feel an improvement too in, how may I describe, the top plays I can make I guess? Like I feel I have a higher potential of winning with the deck. However, I still feel very inconstant. I can play very well one game and fail at the next one. As someone once said anyway... don't practice until you can make it right, practice until you can't make it wrong. Notes are a part of that too. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
To be honest, I'm just trying things at this point. Until my Shattering Spree arrive, I still don't know what to do. I suppose I just lack the experience to tell at 100% no sweepers and just the bounces are better. They still seem good to my eyes, but I'll take a break from them to see if the balloon goes flat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Indeed, I would still have named it. Hell, I would have named it if he showed me an other card anyway haha.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
My reasonning was, yes 7 cards is better than 6 or even 5, but I had 3 cards I didn't feel happy with, so 6 good cards were better than the 4 I considered good. I felt like I had to prioritize speed over a war over discard. Yet, you're most likely right. I'll keep such a hand next time. Your point about Hymn is very valid and something I didn't think on my own.Quote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Comments like those are the reasons I try to write reports. Of course it will help, having alternative plays (and optimized, I would guess, in this case) just show more perspective. How would you, in a short sentence, describe what your play has over mine? Is it the Wasteland protection? The less information you give? What advantage do you have over the Cabal Therapy I played? I just want to hear it from you. :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelikanudo
Dug out Twitch links from Lille of some on camera storming
Kai Sawatari v BUG Delver in R7
Kai Sawatari v Grixis Delver in R13
Check this out guys
http://magic.wizards.com/en/events/c...lle-2015-07-05
@sawatarix -- although your match with Saito finished on time, did you think that he was a little bit excessive in tanking at the end of your turn 1 / start of his turn 2 in game 3? To decide whether to guarantee flip Delver on turn 2. There was also a sequence where he tanked hard on your Ponder/Preordain on a later turn. I can't assume anything, but you looked liked you motioned for him to speed up.
I mean, it's a close game, but it wouldn't surprise me if he picked up a lot of timed wins in day 1...and it's not as if he was playing the more complex deck.
Brainstorm is a skill testing card, for sure, but it's not exactly like having to read rules text on Jace, TMS...now THAT takes a good 15 seconds, at least...
Still waiting to hear from more TES pilots from Lille!
I only had a chance to talk to one of you during one of the last on-demand events that he won. You, sir, reignited my love to TES and I'll have to find time to pick it up again sometime soon :)
I haven't played TES myself for a while and I was judging at Lille, therefore you won't hear any raport from me :( . I don't think I saw many TES during the weekend, storm decks I got to spectate were mostly ANT.
Anyway, what's the consensus for the correct choices for the current metagame? I'll probably have time to hit GP London side events on Friday.
Sorry to miss you then, pal. I doubt there there more than 7 TES in the Mainevent, but most if not all were finishing Day 1 with X-3.Quote:
Originally Posted by entity
My report will be finished tomorrow and showing my unconventional spin on the deck for the current european metagame which destroyed all Delver/Combo/Blade decks through the weekend. I would play the same mainboard again, but would like to fix the sideboard as the Xantids were underwhelming all weekend. More details tomorrow with the report.
I like to play a Badlands instead of a second Volc in this deck. It's not a budget reason, I just like badlands. How bad is this?
Would be the third non blue source depending on your build, no? I have no data which number of nonblue lands will cause a problem for your cantripping. You sure want to evade the Situation that you have two non-blue lands in your opener and in most cases you prefer the non-blue Dual as your second land anyways if your opening grip Features cantrips.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dr_D
Speaking from experience during the GP, I had hands with Fetchland + Bayou + Brainstorm (running two non-blue lands) which felt iffy, but I was able to solve the issues every time with my sequencing of spells or "land, go" against Wasteland.dec
Fair point, I hadn't thought about it that way. I'll continue noting when I'd rather it be a volc.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Peter Raab's tournament report from GP: Lille!
http://www.theepicstorm.com/heart-of...lle-aftermath/
Nice! I wake up and see it's published and spread :)
Edit: I was free to do some editing in the lunchbreak. Fixed typos and added more cardtags
Interesting idea to cut ETW and Chrome Mox, other than Meddling Mage on Burning Wish being an issue, and an issue that can easily be solved with a SB Pyroblast, it seems worth testing.
I thought it's worth gambling against MB Meddling Mages (I have seen these in Deathblades as of late) and running w/o a mainboard wincon, in terms of fearing that Wishes get blocked/removed, was never an issue. For postboard games, you can pick your weapons between Pyroblast, Decay, Chain of Vapor, SB EtW(s) and whatever else floats your boat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
It plays a bit different, if you lack the 6 mana play with Infernal and have to be more careful about AN w/o mana float, which I tried to evade. This also means that you want to maintain Lotus Petals IN your Library rather than in hand or on the field pre-AN and I casted my Ponders and Brainstorms accordingly
I'm sure there's a mix of rejoicing and complaining in other threads but/and while off-topic from deck developments and ideas...that B&R announcement was anti-climactic as hell.
After the editing of the report, I thought of why I did not bring in my 2 EtWs instead of the Xantids against Miracles to put up some natural, not overcommitting pressure? Is the idea totally off to drop like 6 goblins and just see if your opponent can answer those?
I quite like this approach. But then again I am not a very good TES player. :cool:Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I also like the idea of 2-3 Empties vs Delver & Miracles and considered it for Lille in ANT (like I told you there), Kai came up with it on FB as well. However, in (limited) testing it didn't really seem stronger than 1 Empty though so I went with that (6-1'd Delver and 4-0'd Miracles anyways , with almost all postboard miracle games being won with tokens). If I had several in the board I'd definately like bringing 'em all in. Maybe you'd have to cut Wish postboard then though, adding in the Tendrils, PiF and 2 Empties (and Decays obv, and I don't like Swarm in the MU in general), becoming quasi-ANT with the Rites over CRits helping your empty plan but somewhat weakening the natural ToA/tutor chain/pif plans.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
During your game two against elves, it seems like some number of chrome mox may have been the difference. Would you consider the Rain of Filth(s) overall more useful than the occasional Ad nauseam brick or would having access to some number (in the board maybe?) be a worthwhile endeavor?
I really, really like that idea, Jamie. AN + 2 EtW + 1 PIF + 4 Decay postboard and still 4 Wishes for Tendrils/Dark Petiton as option sounds like a planQuote:
Originally Posted by JamieW89
I had black and red mana float already and flipped 20+ cards ... how big is the chance to flip not even two pieces of acceleration (I was only able to get up to BBBR with the flipped Dark Ritual)? Less than 2%? Talking about "occasional" is a plain exaggeration here for this bad beat, given that it was the only Ad Nauseam cast that weekend, which didn't end up with my opponent dead. Moxen would have been worse than Rains most of the time that weekend and the Filths contributed to my flawless record againt Wasteland/Daze during all three days.Quote:
Originally Posted by TravisM
That being said, I will not hop back to Moxen just because of 1 bad beat, while Rains were plain awesome against Wasteland/Daze, which is traditionally a bad matchup otherwise.
Are you happy with 2 Rain of Filth? I'm running a 1/1 split of Chrome Mox and Rain of Filth just because drawing 2 of either is terrible, and in game I rarely get a Rain of Filth for more than 3 vs Wasteland.decQuote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Do you have any numbers on how much cutting Chrome Mox reduces your chances of T1 Ad Nauseam or Empty the Warrens? Maybe it's psychological, but I seem to be summoning significantly less Goblins.
Well, the first Mox you draw is terrible most of the time unlike the first Rain, if you play that manabase. Drawing two isn't good, but thats also the case with Moxen or Wishes, if you know what I mean. What you however want, is seeing a Rain per game either pre- or post-AN to accelerate your mana and two has been fine in testing to match the criteria, especially as you flip more cards with AN overall anyways.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
What I found very successful vs. Wasteland/Daze is just sitting and ensuring landdrops (preferable Fetchlands). You can't complain about Rain acting as a Dark Ritual here, if Mox would only have delivered +1 at best and eats another hand card in the process.
Most T1 combos bank on having at least 4 pieces of +1/+2/+3 acceleration/sources (Land/Petal/Mox/Rite/Ritual/LED) anyways and the impact of Chrome Mox (not even taking color requirements into consideration) is pretty marginal among them if you take the possible combinations of the acceleration into account which actually create 6+ mana with 7 starting cards. I can't calculate it while at work, but with a rough estimation I'd suspect you lose ~1,5-2,5% Turn 1 combos compared to the builds with 3 Moxen and EtW. In other words, the chance to explode T1 into AN or EtW drops from ~12% to ~9,5%, which however as no meaningfulness in terms of the question of if the opponent can interact or if Goblins are effective, which however was more important for my descision than the sheer drop of percentage. I also want to set this drop for T1 combos into relation with the significant improved percentage to combo turn 2 and turn 3 as well as to the hard to calculate impact the setup has against anything that can actually interact with your T1 combo or disrupts your mana.
Given the existing average number of decks in a tournament, which require you to explode T1 compared to the rest of the field, I was and am still fine with the reduced chance to combo T1, but partly drastic improvements for my turns 2/3/4/etc.
So it's almost satirical, that I was eliminated from the GP mainevent, because I wasn't able to combo Turn 1 on the draw against Miracles/Elves/MUD. I can't blame the deck for lost dicerolls and nutty hands of my opponents though in these examples, especially after basically destroying anything else.
P.S. My record against Miracles the whole weekend was far from acceptable, so I will shift the paradigm of "Decays + Xantids" towards "threat overload" like Jamie and Rodrigo suggested.
I'm still trying to beat consistently miracles.... the Deck I try to fight is the Legend Miracles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
I'm not sure about the EtW main if to left it or not... but somehow sometimes seems good and sometimes is bad - this depends on how the Miracles player sides... in my experience 1st games much of them are won via EtW expecting to just not to topdeck Terminus.... as said sometimes it is ok and sometimes not...
I believe that the key is to not to invest too much resources on EtW - depending on the game state also.
I've been fairly happy with my side of 4A.D. and 2 Xantids vs them - now I will free up 1 slot maybe I put in the 3rd Xantid OR the Green Silence card just to see how this Works...
On thing I like from Xantid is that if you see removal from Opp. part, you - at worst - can handle Xantid until you draw C.Therapy - if you dont have it, to just Double Therapy the Opp.
The other thing I like is that if you play it on first turns, it is likely the Opp. can not have answers so that the Opp. needs to FoWs it.
As said, I'm still looking for some new tech vs this Miracles.
However I have to say that:
- for me 4 A.D. is a must vs this archetype
- Teste P. Nedle, Extirpate and Pyroblasts - P.Nedle and Extirpate just don't worth it and Pyro is not that great.
I need t test maybe Krosan at some point...
Apart regarding R.Filth and 0 C.Moxen and 0 EtW:
IMHO: I just cannot agree on these changes - now even we are going to explode A.N even more with that Super New card in Side - Dark Petition.
So I've been playing DDFT for years and just switched to TES because it generally feels stronger. Assuming I'm running the 75 Bryant just posted on the website, how would I want to board vs. Omni and Miracles? I know for Omni I want the red blasts, and for miracles I want carpets, blasts, and decays, but I'm too new to know what I should take out. Any help would be fantastic.
If you're following the straight 75 and need a generic SB guide it's on the website under Additional Information - Matchup Analysis and there's a bit of detail on why the selected cards (in/out) in specific. That being said you'll probably find personal preferences in individual games/opponents which might require changes/not just going with the default sbQuote:
Originally Posted by Dr_D
I don't really agree with much that has been said in this thread over the last few days. Peter and I have been moving in two pretty different directions with the deck, we don't agree on the strengths/weaknesses at this point. I believe he's making his list into a weaker version of ANT as he's slowed down considerably while having a worse manabase than ANT (no basics) and has to support more colors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
The reason I quoted the section above is the line about multiple wishes being bad. This is a side effect of you cutting everything from the sideboard other than 4 cards you could possibly retrieve, this is a cause of your own deck building. Not leaving yourself with Thoughtseize to act as disruption can lead to this.
Ah thanks, I didn't realize that section had been updated too, sorry about that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KaiSchafroth
I agreeQuote:
Originally Posted by Pelikanudo
And it didn't work out in practice. It's not that Therapy or Xantid handle topdecked Counterbalances, which was exactly my Problem at some point. Being dead on board with two Xantids in play was about the worst. FoW/Plow wasn't even required to negate my Xantids, which left a bad taste in my mouth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelikanudo
If 3cc wasn't so damn painful, I would have picked then up before. Maybe I have to swallow this pill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelikanudo
I don't get this. Show me just two examples where chrome Mox in your opening grip really improves your ability to get to 9+ mana turn 1.Quote:
Originally Posted by Pelikanudo
And it's totally fine to work in different directions and disagree at certain points. Personally, I don't think cutting Moxen for Cabal Rituals is a move to make the deck "faster" either. I'm convinced we both slowed down in the end and I dislike calling my approach "weaker Version of ANT" if you added Cabal Rituals to improve the PIF playline while I chopped EtW to improve Ad Nauseam. I like working in different directions to see how we can improve rather than agreeing on everything and change/test nothing :)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
The part about multiple Wishes was just to Highlight that draws which do not immediately help do happen and that these do not keep us from running these cards. So far I have not stumbled over my limited selection. I have always found a way
I know this question will haunt me forever, but has anyone ever tried pyromancer ascension as a SB option?
I've tried it this week and work out awesomely vs miracles, chalice.decks and grindy matchups.
Consider that people dont tend to bring in GY hate against us (at least people that can note the difference between ANT and TES) and we play 8 playsets (BS Ponder GP IF BW DR RoF CT),making it really easy to activate.
The games i played it, i managed to get it online a couple of turn after and then it simply went out of hands.
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Originally Posted by Lemnear
I'm still playing a Mox so that my Ad Nauseams are a little more impressive, where you opt for a 14th land. It's not Rain of Filth vs Chrome Mox, it's Chrome Mox against a second Bayou - it's a little foolish to argue otherwise as we both added in two additional rituals. Those are what's in competition. Cabal Ritual is much better at supporting: PIF, Dark Petition and floating mana into Ad Nauseam than Rain of Filth. I believe my list is faster due to the main deck four mana line that I'm not giving up on my Infernal Tutors (Empty the Warrens) along with the Additional Mox and Cabal Ritual being worthwhile on turns 1+2 unlike Rain. You lost more than one match at the GP from your notes because of this.
Less targets for Wish certainly does make it worse. But it's not about "finding a way", it's about having the right cards in the right situations.
When talking about C.Mox and exploding A.N I was refering mainly to the ability to just win on the spot once you start revealing with A.N. we need to agree both that 3 C.Moxen are better after A.N. than having 0.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Related to 2 Examples you ask me:
a)LED, LED, LED, RoF, RoF., B.W., C.M
b)LED, LED, LED, RoF, B.W., B.W., C.M
Joke.
Anyway, I just believe we are taking 2 Diff. directions. I still even play Gemstones! I cannot change my mind so much by the moment!!! understand me. I think we could interchange opinions about this which will not let on any change on mind by any part... Regarding your list the unique change I'd do is trying to set up any swamp in the base.
on the hand we can talk about Miracles and how to win this match up... I am very open to whatever related to this...
as said, by the moment 4 A.D. and Xantids is ok.
- I was evaluating in Doomsday + Emrakul +Shelldok isle plan - this was effective vs Miracles long time ago when played DD....
- maybe tons of Pyros plus 4 Vexing Shuser could help???? this is even good vs Omni...
Snif....
EDIT: Wow, I'm quite impressed how the Bryant Base has changed so much...
is this a change due to Dark petition?
I don't think this new Side card should change so much the face of TES...
Sure 1 Chrome Mox????
the TNT build would be much more stronger in my opinion...
I haven't been too impressed with Rain of Filth after testing the no ETW/Mox version, a single Wasteland takes away too much value from your last ditch ritual compared to Cabal Ritual just naturally gaining value thru' Threshold without ever risking your manabase. Bayou is also very meh in your starting hand, I can't imagine MDing 2 being very consistent.