Knight is essentially a big 3-mana Planeswalker that searches up Wastelands and corrects your mana, and at some point attacks for a lot. He's pretty darn good. He's your best creature/Planeswalker.
-Matt
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Knight is essentially a big 3-mana Planeswalker that searches up Wastelands and corrects your mana, and at some point attacks for a lot. He's pretty darn good. He's your best creature/Planeswalker.
-Matt
Wrong? No. I'd be willing to go out on a limb and say that most of us would call it ill advised but, by no means does that make it wrong. Just make sure that whatever you're doing in her place is worth it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Unsummon
Also, keep testing IT and other ITs until you find something you like.
Not using knight of the reliquary would be like choosing to not use socks. You will get the job done with whatever you choose to use, but you will smell afterwards.
While we're on the topic of not playing Knight of the Reliquary, I have to bring up this odd idea I had recently:
While pondering how to fit Abrupt Decay into my very tight list, it occurred to me that I may be able to replace one or two Swords to Plowshares with it (maybe not the MOST optimal) but it would totally work. I realized that if I changed StP to AD, then the only white left in my MD is Knight. Knight has a non-white replacement available too. Terravorre doesn't tutor, but it does beat a lot harder and a lot better.
By dropping white, the deck gets a LOT more aggro. If you're already playing a highly aggressive build, I think this may be worth testing. I seriously considered it. Then I remembered that I love my SB full of white cards too much.
at taht point, you can just play eva green.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mirrislegend
I saw in some sideboards of you Thalia.
When do you board her in and for what because this deck plays many noncreature
spells..in fact.of this you will slow yourself a lot.
We're already slow (which is why I keep wondering why people complain about stoneforge but, meh.)Quote:
Originally Posted by Deckerator
Thalia is for the decks that are attempting to play "Unfairly" (Combo mainly). She typically buys us the time we need.
Well, if you can effectively cut white without sacrificing that much, have you considered splashing blue for just Brainstorm and Daze, or red for just Lightning Bolt and Chain Lightning/Forked Bolt?Quote:
While we're on the topic of not playing Knight of the Reliquary, I have to bring up this odd idea I had recently:
While pondering how to fit Abrupt Decay into my very tight list, it occurred to me that I may be able to replace one or two Swords to Plowshares with it (maybe not the MOST optimal) but it would totally work. I realized that if I changed StP to AD, then the only white left in my MD is Knight. Knight has a non-white replacement available too. Terravorre doesn't tutor, but it does beat a lot harder and a lot better.
By dropping white, the deck gets a LOT more aggro. If you're already playing a highly aggressive build, I think this may be worth testing. I seriously considered it. Then I remembered that I love my SB full of white cards too much.
BUG and Jund would both be valuable splashes, and you if you were able to accommodate a white splash before, I don't see why this would be a problem...
The problem with BUG and Jund is that they turn into two decks that already exist, BUG leads way to team American and Jund will turn into Zoo, unless of course you just splashed for Bolts but then you would have no way to deal with a large creature that wasn't a 3 mana sorcery(i guess abrupt decay). The reach provided by burn lend to a faster zoo like deck that wants early removal and late game reach.
My deathrite shamans are in the mail and I cannot wait to sleeve them up! The card is so much more effective than I have even imagined. You get to live the dream and mana ramp to you hearts content almost every other game. The rest of the time he is a life sucking monster!
So you've been actively testing him?
-Matt
How so?Quote:
The problem with BUG and Jund is that they turn into two decks that already exist, BUG leads way to team American and Jund will turn into Zoo, unless of course you just splashed for Bolts but then you would have no way to deal with a large creature that wasn't a 3 mana sorcery(i guess abrupt decay). The reach provided by burn lend to a faster zoo like deck that wants early removal and late game reach.
I wasn't suggesting Force of Will in a blue splash. Brainstorm is just a good overall card that every deck in the format can benefit from, aside from maybe Dredge. Daze might be a bad suggestion, but the additional tempo with mana dorks and Wasteland sounded interesting. Team America does not have the heavy threat density his deck has; it's primarily a blue-based aggro/control deck. That's not what I was suggesting.
In the Jund version, he has Abrupt Decay to deal with larger creatures. If you take a look at the format, most of the creatures right now have an ass that is smaller than 3. The extra 1cc removal would not only make his list more aggressive at killing creatures, it would give him reach in the midgame.
I was also asking him if he had considered the splashes if he goes straight G/B. I wasn't saying that it was something that was necessary.
Matt- I have been playing the crap out of Deathrite Shaman and he is awesome! He gives you a great boost in the maverick, RUG, and Stoneblade/Miracle Matchup. He helps in the fast aggro match ups especially due to the fact that I am almost back in the SFM and equipment club due to the extra bodies and the Shaman/Goyf interaction.
In the control match ups: you will draw more than one, and they will kill your opponent.
The Shaman/Knight problem is almost non-existant with lands aplenty found in graveyards when you have an active knight.
Finally, the mana ability is extremely relevant as a fixer and in tempo positive situations. You cannot rely on a shaman to power your mana base but when you are being wastelanded, stifled, or just have a fetch land hand, he is awesome at the early game mana dork role.
Hanni- I am sure that you can play BGx with x being red or blue, but I feel that you would be sacrificing match ups with top decks in doing so. The 1cc of swords to plowshares helps rock decks interact on so many levels. Having access to red sweepers would be awesome against swarm aggro, but we play 2/1's and 1/2's that we don't want to kill.
With the blue splash for brainstorm and spell pierce out of the board, sounds good, you have no way to interact with an early lackey or mother of ruins and are relying on a 2cc spell to kill 2cc threats like SFM, goyf or confidant. If you stuck with the blue splash you could add daze to help counter the early threats and then you would be 4x force of wills away from a decent blue card count for force. You also lose ways to deal with re-animators threats after they resolve, swords on a griselbrand has saved me in a few games as has swordsing their silver bullets. See also: tombstalker.
If you go the red splash you retain the ability to kill mom's and lackey's but severely limit yourself in your answer opposing knights and goyfs. I feel this is a better call than the blue splash because you can use terminate or the new "terminate" but I would much rather be the guy playing knights than the guy answering them.
If you are going to cut white for a straight green black list you have to realize how vulnerable terravore actually is to all forms of hate. He dies to an early ooze or even to a knighted up bog, RIP also means he cannot even enter play. GB with goyfs and bobs or goyfs and tomb-stalkers are good but once your stalkers are plowed and the ground is gummed up you have no way to deal with any real threats.
You will get there from time to time but I like options.
May I suggest trying one of the new grisly salvage decks, they look very promising in the way turn three tomb stalkers should appear.
My comment was in response to Mirrislegend, who was considering cutting white and going with a G/b version. I'm not trying to say a blue or red splash is better than a white splash. You misinterpreted the point of my comment, I think.Quote:
Hanni- I am sure that you can play BGx with x being red or blue, but I feel that you would be sacrificing match ups with top decks in doing so.
In the case of the blue splash, yes you lose the 1cc removal maindeck against swarm aggro like Goblins. He loses that with straight G/b too. On the flip side, both the combo and control matchups get significantly better.
In the case of the red splash, he still retains Abrupt Decay to deal with bigger creatures.
Again, I'm not trying to say G/b, G/b/u, or G/b/r are better than G/b/w. I'm not saying they are worse, either. I was only asking Mirrislegend if he had considered those splashes, if he decides to cut white and go G/b.
Hey, sorry for giving my opinion on why the loss of knight and swords are not worth it without changing the deck completely.
No need to apologize my friend, I was just letting you know what the point of my post was.Quote:
Hey, sorry for giving my opinion on why the loss of knight and swords are not worth it without changing the deck completely.
For what it's worth, I agree with you, that both Swords and Knight are the better approach.
What do you think about all of the GB salvage decks that are popping up?
I think Grisly Salvage may have some potential in decks that want cards in the graveyard, but a 2cc cantrip isn't where this deck wants to be.Quote:
What do you think about all of the GB salvage decks that are popping up?
Some sort of Zombie deck might want Salvage, although I think Faithless Looting + Squee offers those decks a much better engine. Could be useful in some sort of Loam strategy, although I don't know that it's effect is necessary there either.
Not really sure, to be honest. Haven't put alot of thought into finding a deck that makes use of the card. If it grabbed a land and a creature, I'd be all over it. It's only a cantrip though, and a pretty limiting one at that.
Definitely not for this deck, I think one of the lists will be viable though. Hopefully with necrotic ooze and vengevine...Quote:
Originally Posted by Hanni
This was just posted in the Maverick thread:
HI,
what do you think about a black splash. I think now with Deathrite Shaman and Abrupt Decay it is an option. So i tested a new version with black on our little local tournament this weekend (30 Players) and ended 3rd place.
here is the decklist:
3 Deathrite Shaman
3 Noble Hierarch
4 Abrupt Decay
1 Scavenging Ooze
2 Qasali Pridemage
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Swords to Plowshares
1 Garruk Relentless
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Quirion Ranger
2 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Dark Confidant
3 Wasteland
3 Cavern of Souls
2 Forest
1 Plains
2 Savannah
2 Bayou
1 Scrubland
1 Karakas
1 Gaea's Cradle
4 Windswept Heath
2 Verdant Catacombs
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Mother of Runes
1 Ajani, Caller of the Pride
2 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Birds of Paradise
SB: 3 Choke
SB: 1 Sword of Fire and Ice
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 2 Krosan Grip
SB: 1 Thrun, the Last Troll
SB: 4 Thoughtseize
SB: 2 Swords to Plowshares
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
I found it really good. Deathrite Shaman was together with bob mvp.
Thoughts?
They are taking our tech!! lol.
The list seems off though.
They are simply realizing that black gives the deck more options.
I'm still not convinced about shaman.
Sug, try this for a creature base on a list:
4 Dark Confidant
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Quasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Dryad Arbor
along with 4 Green Sun's Zeniths, some equipment and whatever else you want to add.
I am going back and forth between the other cards but this is what I have with right now.