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It's not just the instants and sorceries it doesn't stop, although those are worth mentioning- not just Show and Tell, but Terminus, it's not astounding against say, Breakthrough; situations like a Wear/Tear with only your equipment as a legal target.
It also doesn't hit, y'know, artifacts, enchantments, creatures and planeswalkers the way Force of Will does.
So, your idea is to try making Elves and D&T basically unviable?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zupponn
No, it saps mana from the other guy and hijacks his spell. It's also doing something outside its colour. Fork for free is good, a upgraded and Red Misdirection is not.
When did this thread become the obligatory *%&#^ card creation thread?
It's not remotely outside of red's slice of the color wheel. Red has the ability to steal things temporarily. Would it be more obviously red if it said, "Gain control of target instant or sorcery until end of turn. It gains haste."?Quote:
Originally Posted by Dice_Box
Dang, can we kill TNN without killing every x/1 though? Also never works in multiples, though maybe that's intended?Quote:
Originally Posted by Zupponn
sent from phone, don't be a dick
It is a tactic by opponents of banning to avoid talking about banning, because they can just print shitty red cards instead and that'll fix the meta.Quote:
Originally Posted by JPoJohnson
Todd Anderson and Pat Sullivan were discussing the banning of Brainstorm in passing just now in round 3 of SCG Atlanta. They seem to think it's probably ban-worthy but that the large amount of players dedicated to the format probably wouldn't support that decision.
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I think that describes the situation pretty well. Beloved by many, yet still above the curve.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee
If people weren't attached at the hip to Brainstorm it would've been banned like four and a half years ago at the latest.
I'm not opposed to giving extra leeway to very popular cards- that's part of making the format more fun. I think it ought be applied more evenly- a lot of people really enjoyed Survival, for instance.
But Brainstorm is pretty clearly testing the limits of that rationale.
If you wanted, you could make it more like a mini Powerstone Minefield and have it when creatures attack or block. Either way, I doubt this card would completely destroy either of those strategies. They would adapt.Quote:
Originally Posted by Zombie
Volcanic ElementalQuote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
:2::r:
Flash
Split Second
Blue creatures get +1/-1.
So easy.
That would actually be amazingly helpful.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzra
Celestial Flare.Quote:
Originally Posted by TsumiBand
Can we just create a topic for, "I hate blue" or "How to crash Legacy into the ground" instead of using this one for it?
Wing ShardsQuote:
Originally Posted by DragoFireheart
Holy LightQuote:
Originally Posted by JPoJohnson
Tariff
I believe with all of the threads and people popping around claiming different things should be banned that it is time to get a new poll started
I don't think that's a bad idea - what are the realistic candidates?Quote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
- Brainstorm
- True-Name Nemesis
- Show and Tell
- Delver
- Griselbrand
Anything else what I'm missing?
The original B/R poll is testament to how silly the majority of the cries for bans and restrictions are. Go ahead and update it with whatever ban the circlejerk is crying for and in 2-3 years, people will look at the closed poll and continue shake their head.
Yeah, I suspect that WotC occasionally browses forums, so hopefully some of the better ideas will show up eventually.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
Speaking of which, rather than ban Show and Tell, I'd rather just see something like a Grafdigger's Cage and Phyrexian Revoker mashup. For example....
Fair Robot
:2:
Creature cards may not enter the battlefield unless cast from a players' hand.
2/1
Maybe power it up a little by changing it to all permanents rather than just creatures. Possibly change its cost to :1::w: or even :w::w:, but colorless is likely safe. Maybe give it First Strike or Flash, especially if you restrict its casting cost a little more.
I think delver, show and tell, and brainstorm should not be on the list, but I think Terminus should be included.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Are you aware that no one was even calling for Mystical Tutor or Survival to be banned at the time?Quote:
Originally Posted by mini1337s
I always find this pretense people put on of pretending that no card should ever be banned and that anyone who says otherwise is a whiner to be kind of laughable. Do you take yourself seriously making posts like this? Were you in the crowd defending Skullclamp and Jace in T2, Flash and Mental Misstep?
Terminus seems random.Quote:
Originally Posted by jtos84
It is far undercosted, extremely similar to balance, there are no drawbacks aside they are forced to play with top (what a drawback), and it is discouraging for creature based decks.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzra
A lot of the people are whiners. Too often people make knee-jerk denouncements based on an SCG Top 8 or their personal experience with a new/powerful card rather than looking at the card/metagame objectively.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheInfamousBearAssassin
Sometimes WotC prints new cards that are actually relevant, but rather than waiting for the metagame to fully adjust, the same group of habitual Chicken Littles spend weeks circlejerking in the B/R thread. As for cards that have been long term facets of Legacy, some cards are just good and see play. Calling for a ban because a card has been good forever is ridiculous. 1.5 has a high skill/powerful level and if people can't stand that, the format isn't for them.
Deathrite Shaman.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barook
Why, Crow, WHY?!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord Seth
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That's really all you had to say.Quote:
Originally Posted by mini1337s
Top 4 of SCG Atlanta is RUG Delver, BUG Delver, UWr Delver, Infect? It's getting silly up in hizzle...
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Wait what?Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee
Yup. UG Infect. Also, there's an infection of Delver & TNN in Atlanta.
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card is too good.Quote:
Originally Posted by Dzra
shuts down elves, sneak and show, dredge, reanimator, cascade, and probably others I'm not thinking of. it can't be colorless because its too powerful.
Use capitalization please. Thanks. -zilla
OMG...TNN is warping the meta!!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee
Lol. I think it's just a rash of blue. I think an antibiotic is in order.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
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If anything that has warped the meta is a one CMC 3/2 flyer for a color that was primarily used as support.
I think shutting down Sneak and Show was kind of the point, heh.Quote:
Originally Posted by apple713
But if you want it to only hit Show and Tell decks, you could try "cards can't enter the battlefield from players' hands." (obviously there would be reminder text to specify that casting a creature makes it enter from the stack) That turns off both Show and Tell and Sneak Attack.
Apparently you rarely play with Miracle cards. The miracle mechanic is a very real drawback. I've definitely lost games because Miracles got stuck in my hand, which is especially true for mulligans. You also have to consider that the sweeper is not asymmetric, which requires more design constraints than just "use top!"Quote:
Originally Posted by jtos84
Actually, both warped the meta and we do have the numbers on that.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
Blue representation permantently went from ~50% to ~60% somewhere in the wake after Innistrad, with Delver being the main cause.
TNN now just adds up and pushes the blue numbers even further. In this week's Open, we're back to 7/8 (87,5%) and 13/16 (81.25%) Brainstorm decks, and one of those threee decks is Painter.
@jtos84: Terminus? C'mon - it's a stupid design, but the real trouble are the ways to set it up. Without BS, alot of its power would go away sind they would be left with SDT and Jacestorm.
Well shutting down shenanigans (Show and Tell in particular) is the point. Cards in Legacy must either be so singularly powerful that they warrant notice or else have wide enough applications to excel in a multitude of matchups. Merely stopping Show and Tell is too narrow. Give me a bear that hits Show and Tell, Natural Order, and graveyard tomfoolery and now we are talking about something playable. Like I said, colorless is potentially not the best option. White (or double :w:) seems like a good place for this card, but I could see a case for :g::w: or something.Quote:
Originally Posted by apple713