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Originally Posted by Mulletus
Ad Nauseam
Instant--3BB
Reveal the top card of your library. You lose life equal to the card's casting cost and put that card into your hand. Repeat as many times as you choose.
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Not exact wording, but that is in essence what it does.
Oh, and the quote is now sigged. Lol.
i know it may sound a little ridiculous but how does spell snare sound as a side in vs. control? you can counter CB, meddling mage, gaddock teeg.. im not sure if it counters chalice at 1 but that would be sick as hell too. and it counters counterspell. so if you are on the play in game 2, you mull for discard to get rid of CB or mull for spell snare to counter it. thoughts?
Thoughtseize would be better because it doesn't force you to play a reactive game and takes FOW as well.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacrix
but thoughseize is kinda meh with AdN. you need that life. and you are already losing life from fetches.
plus they are expecting discard so they wana play that shit ASAP, which will make it run unprotected into your little surprise. which is why i backed up somebody before when they suggested testing daze.
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and against control why is a reactive game plan relevant if they cant drop the permanent based hate that is fucking you over in the first place? they dont have a clock anyway. at least one that is relevant to something as fast as this is.
I think it's better to have different solutions for different threats, like slaughter pact, duress, chant and serenity. And bounces are here for the universality.Quote:
Originally Posted by Vacrix
but why waste all that SB space on different answers when you could just use one? that doesnt make sense to me.. and this is an answer that costs U for like almost everything. you can cut a lot out of the board and free it up for other matchups. no?Quote:
I think it's better to have different solutions for different threats, like slaughter pact, duress, chant and serenity. And bounces are here for the universality.
If you think it's really for almost everything, then play it MD but in SB, you need to split the usecases of each slot, and it's difficult to find the complementary of snare.
Yes you can counter Chalice at 1 with Spell snare.
I personnaly think that Duress is the best card against Control in this deck.
What do you think of this?
http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=20273
It has Top8'ed a 90-people event, that gives some credit to the list, I think. I really like the inclussion of SDT as a colorless (aka black) way of drawing the Tendrils you put in in the top of your library with Mystical in a post Nuaseam scenario, as it's often difficult for you to get UU when you go fast and play Nauseam tapped. It is also an effcient card when paired with eight fetchlands ass we all know.
I like it :smile:. Though a singleton Top would be better imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by godryk
I'm not sure whether this ANT list was linked here before but it's definitely noteworthy. It won a 47 player tournament afterall..___(!4 Merchant Scroll:really: )
That's an interesting list. I would really like to read that tournament report. I'm suspect of thos Scrolls and Diamonds, though I guess the scrolls do get a lot better post board. If Sensei's Divining Top finds a home as more than a 1-of it might be worth considering some number of Doomsdays. Looks like AdN is well on its way to the DTB forum already...Quote:
Originally Posted by klaus;286119I'm not sure whether [URL="http://www.deckcheck.net/deck.php?id=20140"
i agree. very interesting. i can kinda see the diamonds being useful in getting rid of all those extra land you draw off of AdN. but merchant scroll really puzzles me. its it jus for looking for the bounce or something? i guess it could make sense if meditate was in here but i dont see it in here.. wtf.Quote:
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That's an interesting list. I would really like to read that tournament report. I'm suspect of thos Scrolls and Diamonds, though I guess the scrolls do get a lot better post board. If Sensei's Divining Top finds a home as more than a 1-of it might be worth considering some number of Doomsdays. Looks like AdN is well on its way to the DTB forum already...
LOL you people. Really?
We just had this discussion like 4 pages ago for both of the decklists (just checked - 5 pages ago for the 47-man, 3 pages ago for the 90-man). The 90 person decklist is jegger's friend, and jegger already explained his card choices. jegger also mentioned the one that placed in the 47 person. But for the sake of people who don't like reading threads, I'll post my observations again.
Merchant Scroll dodges Chalice @ 1.
May not seem like a big deal to some people, but if you've ever had to go up against it g1 you'll know that you've basically lost unless you already have your bounce in hand, or have a godlike 7 that can play around Chalice. I was playtesting against Dragon Stompy, and the moon effects actually become very relevant when this happens (building up mana to play around Chalice/Trinisphere), and I actually condone jegger's suggestion for running 2 Islands (should you expect moon effects in your meta). Also, remember Merchant Scroll is "to hand". Yes, it's still sorcery; yes it still lets your opponent read you for free; but it dodges that freaking chalice.
Mox Diamonds serve as initial mana sources post Ad Nauseum.
Often times going off after AdN, you won't have any spare mana floating, or very little if you do (unless you cracked LED, but that doesn't all the time). That's why I kept saying that Chrome Mox should stay @ 4, because finding that starting source of mana is crucial. Mox Diamond is iffy since there's so few lands, but look at it this way: Diamond is indeed a permanent mana source, it allows the deck to speed up a bit more and possibly negate the drawbacks from cards like Merchant Scroll, and up the consistency of post AdN mana sources. Colors can also be a problem (SOMETIMES), believe it or not, so I guess that's another +1 for Mox Diamond.
Don't mean to be rude or sound like an asshole, but please read the thread, especially when we spent an entire page talking about this stuff already.
Also, jegger has the link to the 90-man tournament report, but it's up to him if he wants to post it here or not since it's all in Italian.
Responding to a PM for an updated list,
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Ill Gotten gains
4 Ad Nauseam
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Mystical Tutor
4 Brainstorm
4 Ponder
1 Wipe Away
4 Duress
4 Dark Ritual
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
4 Lotus Petal
4 Chrome Mox
4 Polluted Delta
4 Flooded Strand
4 Underground Sea
1 Island
13 Land and 4 Chrome Mox is the "sweet spot" between hitting land drops and building Threshold and the speed and consistency of the artifact mana.
It's light on disruption, but you can get around most counter walls by using Infernal Tutor to double your discard spells or SB in Thought Seizes. You're resilient against Spellsnare and Stifle and can race Counterspell, so Orim's Chant isn't much of a loss.
My apologies, some people (myself included) simply do not have time to read every post of every thread. Maybe we could get an update on the OP?
The list that won the 47 man event only faced a single blue deck, Meathooks. I don't know about the details of each round, but he played (in round order) Aggro Loam 2-1, Boros 2-0, Meathooks 2-0, Belcher 2-1, bye, 2-1 Boros.
Uh...the 47 player event? That's from MAGIC-LEAGUE. That's like the worst spot to get reliable information for decks ever. I remember a time where Paulo Vitor Damo da Rosa won a pretty large sized standard trial with some janky deck, and everyone on that website was like "lolomg look at how newb we are lol".Quote:
Originally Posted by Yesmilord
Even the deck player himself said that Merchant Scroll sucked and he wished it was something else. His matchups were also:
Round 1: 2-1 Aggro Loam
Round 2: 2-0 Boros
Round 3: 2-0 Meathooks
Round 4: 2-1 Belcher
Round 5: bye
Round 6: 2-1 Boros
Are you kidding me? No Dreadstill/fish, no Threshold, no Faerie/Dragon Stompy, no Counterbalance in sight, hell, not even an Ichorid deck that could have potentially raced him since he didn't even play Orim's Chant. That's not even close to being good backup data for that version.
Merchant Scroll blows in this deck, as does Mox Diamond.
Edit: omg Jaiminho you ho, totally gimped my post :P. Damn you and your fast typing skills.
As for the 90 player event, his list is almost exactly like the one that I was testing a couple of weeks ago (I had -1 Chrome Mox, -1 Pact of Negation and +2 something else, maybe a Ponder and a land). I talked about SDT like in the beginning of this thread too, but eventually I found that to utilize SDT to the fullest, you needed alot more lands, and I might as well be playing Doomsday FT.
Owned. That round thing info is what I posted on mtgsal. Couldn't find it quicker than that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apex
Even in FT, Top ends up sometimes being only a Street Wraith that allows some piles that Wraith itself wouldn't, since Meditate will end up being a draw 3, not a draw 4, allowing LED mana to be used before drawing that 4th card. Still, in slower matches, Top is totally insane. AN doesn't like slow games, so it can't abuse Top.Quote:
Originally Posted by Apex
Hot news. In the spanish blogosphere I've heard several references of ANT making 2 top8 at the last tournament of the Lliga Catalana de Legacy with a great assistance of 96 players. Decklists will be published soon, probably this week. ANT menaces with reaching DtB status in its very first month. :eek:
I won the 50 man Hassloch tourney today with the following list:
4x delta
4x strand
3x usea
2x tundra
1x island
1x swamp
4x dark ritual
4x cabal ritual
4x led
4x petal
4x chrome mox
4x infernal
4x mystical
4x brainstorm
4x duress
4x chant
4x ad nauseam
1x tendrils
1x iggy
My SB sucked, so I won't mention it. I don't think bounce spells are needed in the mainboard, as you can play around Chalice and they probably won't bounce Counterbalance (you'd have to play Wipe Away, which I personaly think is too narrow: too expensive for the MB). I didn't have any special CB hate in the SB as I think the best play is to Duress/Chant them and/or rush the CB. It worked out for me pretty well two times against ITF.
I beat: Survival, Aggro Loam, Dragon Stompy (horrible MU!), Imperial Painter, 2x ITF.