I play 2 Spiritmonger in my list. He fits best in a controllish list with 4 Deeds and lots of removal.
I play him with Veteran Explorer to get him into play turn 3.
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I play 2 Spiritmonger in my list. He fits best in a controllish list with 4 Deeds and lots of removal.
I play him with Veteran Explorer to get him into play turn 3.
To be honest I don't think Spiritmonger is fast enough for the format anymore. Before we could almost guarantee that we were gonna be around on turn 4 to use him. Now we can't. And most of the decks put us in a difficult situation if we try to wait that long to get him down.
I would suggest Tombstalker or Even 1 of the 4/4's (baloth or hierarch).
Even the 4cc guys are too slow these days. Now we have an assload of 3cc guys that are humungous. In a Rock shell, you're typically looking at Knight of the Reliquary and Doran to fill these roles. Tombstalker too.
I would suggest that if you are going the Agro route that you use Doran. The other 2 seem to be more of the control style build's choice.
I may be the only one in here playing rock anymore but I just 3-1-1'd another tournament with the only loss coming from top 8 vs combo. My list is posted up above and I'm wondering if anyone is still playing the deck and what your doing vs the combo match-up.
VS combo:
-Black: -discard (tourach, duress, seize,...)
-White: -Canonist, chant, silence
-multicolor: -gaddok teeg,....
-artifact: -trinisphere, chalice, thorn of amethyst
Maybe the new card in Zendikar: Mindbreak Trap
I don't really took the time to understand how it works but it seems to beat combo...
In my point of view, to beat combo with a rock you can go different ways:
-Mass discard with different card with synergy (rack, Nyxathid)
-Bears with effects (Teeg and canonist) more agressive way, can play equipment like jitte, SoFaI)
-artifact way, whit chalice, sphere or thorn, with mana acceleration like mox, dark ritual, ...
Well - I play Rock as well, and I do believe that it can still be a winning deck at times.
I am not posting my current list (which is also re-tweaked all the time), because i haven't really been playing tournaments lately, so it hasn't paid its dues.
That said, I think Shriekmaw is awesome, and so is Profane Command...
I presently have 4 thoughtseize and 3 Cannnonist (outta the board) to help vs combo. Maybe I'm just not doing enough but, I'm wondering if there are better options, Things that may or may not have been overlooked. I'm going to bring in 2 more slots in place of some of my graveyard hate. I'm just looking for better options.Quote:
Originally Posted by Kesta
Can someone explain to me why we are still playing stronghold? Older lists used to run a lot of creatures that would either trade or gain some advantage when they CIP'ed.
I'm noticing that it's just not that stellar and am wondering if someone can come up with a reason to keep it.
Now I'm testing a recurring nightmare version with cip creatures like eternal witness, veteran explorer and kitchen finks with 2 bloodghast and 1 woodfall primus. Anyone tested something like this? For now seems that it runs...
@Damion: I run Stronghold, as a 1-of, without real tutoring, but with a singleton Knight of the Reliquary (Nantuko Monastery to find as well) and Top+fetch. But I also run stuff like Shriekmaws, Pridemage, Witness and Finks.
I think that Stronghold tends to win those long grinding games. Its pretty slow, so yeah, it isn't powerful until lategame, but with stuff like Shriekmaw in the grave, its really persuasive.
I figured. I only run 4creatures and it only really has synergy with 1 of them (witness). I think I'm going to drop it for something else. The idea's that I'm looking at are Kor Haven or an 8th fetch. I've been leaning towards the haven more than the fetch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Valarne
one of the rocks problems is that it can play a very aggressive early game with large creatures and innumerable amounts of disruption, but if the game goes long it can run out of gas and be dependant on the top deck. volraths stronghold (and genesis, does he see play anymore?) helps the deck regain momentum if the game drags.
Genesis shouldn't be run anymore. When the format sped up there was a need to have Something less mana intensive than Genesis.
At this point I'm starting to think that the format has tempo'ed enough that we shouldn't be expecting to go late game without a threat. Just wondering when's the last time Activating Stronghold did anything?
How many times would you rather have another land (fetch, kor haven, basic...) in place of stronghold.
Do you guys think Dark Confidant is extremely necessary in the deck? I side them out almost e-v-e-r-y time...
Wgy would you side out the card digging into your sided hate?
what's in your meta that Bob is a bad call?Quote:
Originally Posted by Domi
Edit: Also, With majority of our removal being 3 drops is the right call actually playing Krosan Grip? A good Counter Top player will just float a 3 around the top to try and bait it. Perhaps we could use that slot as something else.
I'm just too much afraid to have Bob on the table without SDT (I've got 2 stalkers, 2 loxodons and 16 cards with 3cc). So Bobs always stay in hand while waiting for a SDT to come. I always think I would rather have some other cards in hand at that moment.
There is always a big problem to decide what to side out - so I always side out Bobs which I find useless in many cases.
And at last, after I threw the Bobs out, I had some slots for the cards I've always dreamed to put in (ex. more disruption, profane command, etc.)
It sounds to me like you are letting yourself be influenced by poor judgement/fear. Sure Confidant can hurt, but most of the time he wins games. L. Hierarch might hit for 4, but he also gets them back when played. I would practically never side out Confidant, because he, when left un-scathed, really wins games. MVP.Quote:
Originally Posted by Domi
Ditching Bob, and inserting high-power stuff/high cmc? - doesn't that leave you with a much slower and therefore weaker deck? I did try P. Arena at one point in his place, but the 1 mana more makes a big difference. The rock needs to play something worthwhile in the first couple of turns, or we'll be toast. To me, thats why Thoughtseize, SDT and Bob (& Goyf inc.) are staples in my mind, besides their power-level.
Necro power!
Sorry, but I haven't been on the site in a while. School and work caught up to me. Refering to my list a page ago, I top eighted the source tourney with my only loss coming from a psuedo mirror where I kept a really bad hand game one and saw many leyline of th voids game two and three.
But in response the bob/stalker thing rarely happens due to the 3/3 numbers and the chances of drawing/dredging a stalker. If anyone wants I can post the matches from the tourney. Finn was gonna write something about my list so I might have him do it.