[Deck] GW/x Maverick

Went 7-2 yesterday for 9th/250 in Atlanta, list here:
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=40716

Misplayed tons, just tons. My opponents were generally pretty nice and tight players so all credit to the deck. Lost to NO-RUG in part to a mull to four and a pretty dank last-out Brainstorm on his part. Lost to U/b Bobfolk by walking into Perish like a sonofabitch and forgetting I had Mental Misstep in my hand to force a Zenith for 0 through in order to stick Choke.
Scavenging Ooze is just the Bitch, love that card. See also: Mirran Crusader and Aven Mindcensor. Party!
Only change I would make is maybe adding a second Choke in the sideboard. Never boarded in Thorn and Thrun never did anything my other guys couldn't do just as well, but that's not those cards' fault.

Feel like a dipshit for failing to make Tacos' acquaintance, I think Again.

Danpo,

Congratulations on your results. Don't feel bad about your misplays, everyone makes them and this is one of those decks that require many small decisions that can have big impact on your game.

I was wondering about your sideboard, I don't see it on the SCG link. I was also wondering how the 2/2/4 split of Crusader, Mindcensor, and MM turned out. I have wrestled with the optimal split of these cards and i always assumed a 2/2/4 would dilute the effectiveness of each card.

They fixed up the T16 decklists.

The GW list can be found By Clicking here

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Originally Posted by rukcus

They fixed up the T16 decklists.

The GW list can be found By Clicking here

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Has anyone notified SCG that said G/W list(s) should be renamed to 'Maverick' instead of generic 'G/W Stoneblade'? Or does anyone even care?

No Mother of Runes? Why?!

Played a tourney of about 75 people yesterday with Maverick.

Lesson one: Never ever in your lifetime include Wing Shards in either main deck or sideboard. That card is SO bad it was scary. I played them sideboard because I wanted to try the tech versus NOPRO and Emrakuls. NOPRO just attacked with both PRO and an Arbor. Versus other matchups I either never got the needed WW1, or they never attacked me. Paths please!

Lesson two: Never ever doubt yourself when you say you don't need Batterskull and other say it's magnificent. It was horrible. SFMs died and the Skull just sat there in my hand. Only time I cast it, I had already won without it. I will trade it for a sweet Sword of some kind. Those did work very nicely.

Lesson three: shuffle well before netering a tournament. I had to mulligan ten times during the tourney (seven rounds). No lands all day.

Lesson four: never play two main deck Thruns. Too slow! Even in matchups where they are good, you would prefer cheaper creatures despite the fact that they're vulnerable to removal. One in the board will do.

Life from the Loam is a sweet sideboard card though. I had to mull to four one game, keeping two lands, Loam and a random critter. Critter got Plowed, but my opponent fetched up two nonbasics and had two more on hand, and I found a lovely Wasteland. Loam+Waste wrapped him up pretty nicely. :) He was a bit grumpy about that, but then again I mulled to four playing a creature deck and he was carrying a hand full of Plows and Wraths. Loam also helped greatly against Pox, retrieving valuable lands, and against UGr NOPRO keeping him off Natural Order mana.

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Originally Posted by danpo

Went 7-2 yesterday for 9th/250 in Atlanta, list here: .

Feel like a dipshit for failing to make Tacos' acquaintance, I think Again.

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Congrats on the result. I like your list, especially the Metamorph in board. How'd your manabase treat you? I may be going to Nashville if I can afford it. Gotta find you then. I was the bald dude in the black shirt and pimpin' fedora.

My list, odd as it seemed, was as follows:

4 Windswept Heath
1 Misty Rainforest
1 Verdant Catacombs
1 Wooded Foothills
4 Savannah
1 Tropical Island
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Horizon Canopy
4 Wasteland
2 Dryad Arbor
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith

4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Mental Misstep
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Path to Exile
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Batterskull

4 Noble Hierarch
3 Mother of Runes
4 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Knight of the Reliquary
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Aven Mindcensor
1 Eternal Witness
1 Gaddock Teeg

SB:
3 Choke
3 Meddling Mage
2 Angel's Grace
2 Aven Mindcensor
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Tormod's Crypt
1 Krosan Grip

I'm seriously contemplating cutting the entire equipment package except for 2 Jittes and 2 Stoneforges. The remainder of the equipment was just underwhelming and Jitte was by FAR my MVP, with SOFI only being good one time against Stoneblade in round 9 (It would have been good against Faeries, but it got Cliqued out of my hand despite my attempts to keep my opponent off Clique mana with a Wasteland). This would allow me more Mindcensors/Mirran Crusaders main and less useless cards.

Also, I'm sure my yard hate choices will seem bizarre. The explanation? I expected a lot of Reanimator. And there WAS a lot of Reanimator. I just didn't face it. I think Bojuka Bog and Scavenging Ooze are just way too slow against Reanimator. Scavenging Ooze will definitely show up in my main once Snapcaster Mage exists, though, as Ooze is a monster against that card. I only missed Bojuka Bog against Dredge.

Things I do feel I got right, though:
-2 Dryad Arbor. I never wanted three, but I wanted two a lot. I think this is the perfect number for all the turbo Zenithing I do on turn one, all the fetching for equipment guys, all the Knighting to kill Bridges with shenanigans, etc.
-2 Qasali Pridemage. It used to be so alien to me not to run four of these guys. And in some metagames I'd probably like three. But I boarded them out at least three times. And I felt like two was just the right number.
-3 Meddling Mage. I actually did this because I couldn't find a Riftsweeper and because my friend Lucas talked me into it. I did not regret this choice at all. I didn't face most of the matches where it would be best, but it was great against Ancestral Visions, sealed me the match against Belcher, and was great against the 4-color Bant I assume, because my opponent died with like 5 cards in hand and plenty of land in play. The ONLY drawback to this was that I Choked my Tropical Island a couple times. I swear Choke and Tropical Island like gravitate towards each other when you shuffle.
-7 Fetchlands. I won a lot of games because Knight hit the board huge.
-1 Scryb Ranger. Yeah, I seriously didn't understand. This guy and Knight are sometimes actually better than two Knights. Also, flashing him in to nerf a Wasteland is sick. Don't remember when I did this, but I'm pretty sure I did.
-1 Horizon Canopy. I did not lose a single game to my life total just being way lower than it should have been, and very rarely did I wish I had it when I didn't.

Things I'd change:
-3 Mother of Runes. I won a lot of games where my board position was shit and I stalled for 7 turns with MOMnanigans until I equalized. I'd do four again.
-1 Batterskull. I hated it. I didn't even need it against Zoo. Jittes are just better.
-1 Eternal Witness. First time I've ever run less than two. I wanted to see it a lot more than I ever did.

I think meddling mage is a much better solution to ancestral visions than Riftsweeper. Riftsweeper is the definition of a narrow answer and has the possibility of being completely dead, while mage can be brought in against a ton of decks.

Obviously, but you can't zenith for mage. That's the whole point.

Really? It's obvious that you would want to run an extremely narrow answer that you can tutor for over a card with broad applications that you can board multiples in and hope to draw? I'm not so sure that it is. There comes a point when you're running so many tutor targets that you just start awkwardly drawing them. Even worse, you screw with your sideboard to the point where you're running a bunch of tutor targets for specific match ups, that you can only board in one or two cards, and those cards actually don't improve the match by a significant margin. What I am saying is that it is better to cut a couple of cards from your sideboard to run three mages than it is to have 1 riftsweeper and two other cards, especially if you can form your sideboard in such a way that mage also handles hate against other bad matchups.

He just pointed out the only reason why you would even start considering Riftsweeper over MM.

Yes, I am pointing out why I believe that when considering a card we should take a look at the real cost of running it. In this case, we have Riftsweeper + 2 sideboard slots vs 3 meddling mage. I am in favor of the latter, because I don't believe that Riftsweepers impact is large enough to warrent a tutor target slot. Scavenging ooze, on the other hand, has such a large impact in the matchups you want him that he warrants a sideboard slot, and possibly even a main deck slot. Regaurdless, I don't believe that the choice between these two options is actually 'obvious'.

@Tacosnape:

Thanks for your thoughts, some additional questions:

-) Did you ever miss any additional fat (e.g. Terravore) next to your Knights?
-) How were the missteps?
-) You said the Mindcensor was great, but what was your point for running exactly 1?

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Originally Posted by Asthereal

Lesson one: Never ever in your lifetime include Wing Shards in either main deck or sideboard. That card is SO bad it was scary. I played them sideboard because I wanted to try the tech versus NOPRO and Emrakuls. NOPRO just attacked with both PRO and an Arbor. Versus other matchups I either never got the needed WW1, or they never attacked me. Paths please!

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Wing Shards are so good, i love them, but they need to be played correctly. Allowing your opponent to untap with Progenitus + another dude should not happen, esp when its a Dryad Arbor. If they do, you can Maze of Ith the other dude and kill the hydra, or you block the dude, eat the damage and use the shards in end of combat phase, as they need to swing 2 times for the win(because most of the time they cant afford to keep all the burn for you)
Getting 1WW with a maverick manabase in the given matchups is quite easy, too.

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Originally Posted by Bzka

Wing Shards are so good, i love them, but they need to be played correctly. Allowing your opponent to untap with Progenitus + another dude should not happen, esp when its a Dryad Arbor. If they do, you can Maze of Ith the other dude and kill the hydra,

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This doesn't work. Maze of Ith doesn't make Dryad Arbor not an attacking creature. It just untaps it and prevents all combat damage to and from it.

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Originally Posted by CorpT

This doesn't work. Maze of Ith doesn't make Dryad Arbor not an attacking creature. It just untaps it and prevents all combat damage to and from it.

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my bad.

Just block Dryad and Shard Progenitus -.- at end of combat..

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Originally Posted by CorpT

This doesn't work. Maze of Ith doesn't make Dryad Arbor not an attacking creature. It just untaps it and prevents all combat damage to and from it.

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You can still do this and watch your opponent sacrifice progenitus and leave Dryad Arbor on the board.

More seriously though, if you run the Wordly or Enlightened toolbox, i feel like metamorph is a very solid SB option. Moreover, it works wonders against reanimator too, and wins games depending on what they gave you to clone.

It is only inferior to Wing Shards against sneak attack, and you probably already have gaddock, qasali and revoker against that

Hi,

i have been working on this deck and I find it very hard to make a good decklist. Sometimes MoR is nuts, other times its meh. Can you ppl please help me fine tune my list? I have taken the 9th place finisher from SGC Atlanta as basis

1 bird of paradise
3 noble hierarch
2 aven mindcensor
1 cold-eyed selkie
1 gaddock teeg
3 knight of the reliquary
2 mirran crusader
1 terravore
1 scavenging ooze
3 qasali pridemage
1 scryb ranger
4 stoneforge mystic
1 eternal witness
1 dryad arbor

4 mental misstep
4 swords to plowshares

1 umezawa's jitte
1 sword of light and shadow
1 sword of body and mind

4 green sun's zenith

2 forest
2 horizon canopy
1 karakas
1 maze of ith
1 misty rainforest
1 plains
4 savannah
4 wasteland
4 windswept heath


sb:
1 manriki-gusari
2 phyrexian metamorph
2 ethersworn canonist
1 riftsweeper
1 choke
1 dueling grounds
2 enlightened tutor
2 krosan grip
1 life from the loam

my meta is very very blue oriented. i am prepping for GP Amsterdam and have a GPT come sunday. I want to be as prepared as possible. I love this deck and I think I can get far if tuned properly. Can you help me?

thnx

Slaydo

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Originally Posted by slaydo

my meta is very very blue oriented. i am prepping for GP Amsterdam and have a GPT come sunday. I want to be as prepared as possible. I love this deck and I think I can get far if tuned properly. Can you help me?

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If that is what you say, then Thrun would give you more utility starting in the Maindeck. You also want to maximize the KotR in your list. Finally, Maze of Ith should be considered whether you need it. Many of us have found it lacking in the maindeck, and hardly useful in the Sideboard. Cold-Eyed Selkie could also become Edric if you have a blue-splash (usually 1 Trop), but all the 1cc mana dorks can help to cast him too, or be found via GSZ.

overall, the list looks standard.

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Originally Posted by rukcus

If that is what you say, then Thrun would give you more utility starting in the Maindeck. You also want to maximize the KotR in your list. Finally, Maze of Ith should be considered whether you need it. Many of us have found it lacking in the maindeck, and hardly useful in the Sideboard. Cold-Eyed Selkie could also become Edric if you have a blue-splash (usually 1 Trop), but all the 1cc mana dorks can help to cast him too, or be found via GSZ.

overall, the list looks standard.

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I tested Edric and he isn't worth the slot imho. Thrun and the 4th KotR are however I dont know what to cut. any ideas?

To me your list lacks a few lands too : I currently run 22 lands (including Maze but also Cradle) and i sometimes feel like i don't have enough of them (no brainstorm or cantrips to help find the right ones...) - I often feel one wasteland puts me in a really difficult position, especially if my noble/bird/dryad gets Sworded

Other than that I advise you to try a Revoker in your SB, it's a great card against a LOT of stuff (sneak, jace, sfm, led ... it really has a ton of uses)

Also, are you satisfied with SoBaM ? I think in my next tourny i'll try with SoLaS and 2 Jittes.

EDIT : What to cut ? Maybe try to play 60 cards, with 57 there's a good chance you will not see day 2 at amsterdam ;)

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Originally Posted by r0ckstAr

To me your list lacks a few lands too : I currently run 22 lands (including Maze but also Cradle) and i sometimes feel like i don't have enough of them (no brainstorm or cantrips to help find the right ones...) - I often feel one wasteland puts me in a really difficult position, especially if my noble/bird/dryad gets Sworded

Other than that I advise you to try a Revoker in your SB, it's a great card against a LOT of stuff (sneak, jace, sfm, led ... it really has a ton of uses)

Also, are you satisfied with SoBaM ? I think in my next tourny i'll try with SoLaS and 2 Jittes.

EDIT : What to cut ? Maybe try to play 60 cards, with 57 there's a good chance you will not see day 2 at amsterdam ;)

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fixed. its 60 cards now. you counted 58. I tried cradle and if they keep your critter count down it won't give a lot of mana. sobam is in testing right now. I was thinking on revoker, maybe cut a dueling grounds from the board?

I was playing Revokers, and switched to Needles. As said before, its important against UBG. They kill Revoker and ruin you with Deed. But they can do almost nothing to Needle(1-2 Pulses maximum).

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Originally Posted by Philipp2293

@Tacosnape:

Thanks for your thoughts, some additional questions:

-) Did you ever miss any additional fat (e.g. Terravore) next to your Knights?
-) How were the missteps?
-) You said the Mindcensor was great, but what was your point for running exactly 1?

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1. No. Never ever once. Four Knights, four ways to fetch Knight, and the ability for guys to get huge with Exalted Triggers + Equipment? Size of my guys was never once an issue, except for the fact that Fire//Ice is amazing against me. I don't think Terravore's a necessary card in the maindeck, although I do think he's the boss of bosses in the mirror. And you guys know how I feel about Tarmogoyf at this point.

2. Absolutely incredible. I'm pretty sure I'd have scrubbed out much quicker without them.

3. Lack of room? I tried for hours to squeeze a second one in the main and never quite got there, and I never came up with anything I really wanted more than the maindeck one. So I stuffed one main and the other two in an already too tight sideboard. In Hindsight I'm actually going to probably end up running a Metamorph or two and moving the Mindcensors to the board.

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Originally Posted by SansSerif

Danpo,

Congratulations on your results. Don't feel bad about your misplays, everyone makes them and this is one of those decks that require many small decisions that can have big impact on your game.

I was wondering about your sideboard, I don't see it on the SCG link. I was also wondering how the 2/2/4 split of Crusader, Mindcensor, and MM turned out. I have wrestled with the optimal split of these cards and i always assumed a 2/2/4 would dilute the effectiveness of each card.

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I can see trying to massage in a third Mindcensor and/or Crusader, but I'm really not sure where I'd cut to do so. Further thoughts on MM below:

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Originally Posted by Ajsmirnov

No Mother of Runes? Why?!

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Man do I love some Mother of Runes, and have played her just tons over the years. But I think this deck just has other, better ways to do a lot of her work.
Like, Mental Misstep lets you protect guys from Lightning Bolt and Swords to Plowshares and in my case one round a Ghastly Demise. It that sense it's like Mom in that it protects a guy from removal.
But Mental Misstep also lets you Misstep back if your Zenith for Dryad Arbor gets MM'd. And it lets you stop Merfolk's Aether Vial and the odd Reanimate, discard outlet for Dredge, etc. Versatile applications like this where Mom is irrelevant I think is what really shines in Misstep's favor.

Outside that, yeah, Mom lets you block for days, and I have treaded water that way many a time. But Maze of Ith is tutorable and does the same thing. And where Mom lets you bash through a bunch of blockers, often it's nothing a huge/huge KotR couldn't handle anyway, plus the deck has tutorable flyers and protection-giving equipment to smash past ground stalls. This was relelvant one game where an opponent had a few invincible Elspeth tokens and eventually I just ground him out by gearing up a Mindcensor with Sword of Fire and Ice. Protection from Mom wouldn't have helped because he had invincible Mutavaults as well.

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Originally Posted by Tacosnape

Congrats on the result. I like your list, especially the Metamorph in board. How'd your manabase treat you? I may be going to Nashville if I can afford it.

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It was nice having an out against Progenitus, and I did board it in for that matchup but never managed to find it when it would've been relevant.
Overall the manabase was fine; I took relatively few mulligans on the day I thought. Getting pinged off Horizon Canopy cost me a very close game, but I think that's because we were playing a tight game of Magic and not because Horizon Canopy sucks and needs replacing. I could see massaging in a second Dryad Arbor perhaps, because it seemed to find its way into a lot of hands where I would've Zenithed for it.

Anyway yeah let's rally if you come to Nashville.

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I boarded out pieces of the equipment package a lot, and boarded in Path to Exile a lot, but I think as-constructed the list is really open-ended in game one and customizes nicely from there. Maybe someone with a very good read of a narrow meta could fine-tune it better, but you don't see my sloppy ass even pretending to be that pro.

Oh, and upon reflection, wtf did I need a 3/1 Hierarch/Birds split for, when if I need to GSZ a flyer I have Scryb Ranger? I think that was just me trying to be too t3chy for my own good.

Birds is a decent tutor target vs hive mind. Not a winning strategy by any means, but it can steal a game if you have a good clock / some additional disruption besides it.

`Grats on the finish, danpo! Hopefully I'll be able to meet both you and Tacosnape in Nashville. I finished 21st at the SCG Open in Atlanta this past weekend, and I was generally pleased with the list I ran:

// Lands
1 Maze of Ith
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
4 Savannah
2 Forest
2 Plains
2 Misty Rainforest
// Dudes
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Noble Hierarch
3 Aven Mindcensor
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Scryb Ranger
4 Mother of Runes
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Terravore
1 Eternal Witness
// Spells
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
4 Swords to Plowshares

// Sideboard
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
3 Path to Exile
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
1 Null Rod
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Sundial of the Infinite
2 Choke
2 Enlightened Tutor

I ended up going 6-2-1, with losses to Edgar Flores' Dark Faeries list and a Zoo deck that simply outran me, and my draw was with Tinac Xing and his NO RUG deck that took 5th place.

Thrun was almost always a letdown, and while I adore Mindcensor I never felt like it was great for me. Maybe that was just my luck, I dunno. I got really sick of my first-turn Hierarch/Birds/Zenith-into-Arbor sucking up a Swords/Path/Bolt, and for that reason I'm thinking of replacing the Thrun and Mindcensors with 4 Mental Misstep. I could possibly be talked into replacing the Moms with Misstep instead, but... man, I love Mom.

I'm also going to tweak up the manabase a little. Horizon Canopy is OK, but I think I'm going to replace one with a Stirring Wildwood, in part because it can block one of the most obnoxious fliers in the format -- Vendilion Clique. I also have a foil Petrified Field that I really want to use, and I'm going to try replacing the 4th Wasteland with it. It seems like the Knightable "gimme my land back" could come in handy. Finally, I'm going to take one of the basic Plains and replace it with a 7th fetch for the reason Tacosnape mentioned above, in having the Knight hit the table all big from the start.

Thoughts?

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`Grats on the finish, danpo! Hopefully I'll be able to meet both you and Tacosnape in Nashville. I finished 21st at the SCG Open in Atlanta this past weekend, and I was generally pleased with the list I ran:

// Lands
1 Maze of Ith
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
4 Windswept Heath
4 Wasteland
4 Savannah
2 Forest
2 Plains
2 Misty Rainforest
// Dudes
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Scavenging Ooze
3 Noble Hierarch
3 Aven Mindcensor
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Scryb Ranger
4 Mother of Runes
3 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Birds of Paradise
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Terravore
1 Eternal Witness
// Spells
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
4 Swords to Plowshares

// Sideboard
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Phyrexian Metamorph
3 Path to Exile
1 Ethersworn Canonist
1 Wheel of Sun and Moon
1 Null Rod
1 Oblivion Ring
1 Crucible of Worlds
1 Sundial of the Infinite
2 Choke
2 Enlightened Tutor

I ended up going 6-2-1, with losses to Edgar Flores' Dark Faeries list and a Zoo deck that simply outran me, and my draw was with Tinac Xing and his NO RUG deck that took 5th place.

Thrun was almost always a letdown, and while I adore Mindcensor I never felt like it was great for me. Maybe that was just my luck, I dunno. I got really sick of my first-turn Hierarch/Birds/Zenith-into-Arbor sucking up a Swords/Path/Bolt, and for that reason I'm thinking of replacing the Thrun and Mindcensors with 4 Mental Misstep. I could possibly be talked into replacing the Moms with Misstep instead, but... man, I love Mom.

I'm also going to tweak up the manabase a little. Horizon Canopy is OK, but I think I'm going to replace one with a Stirring Wildwood, in part because it can block one of the most obnoxious fliers in the format -- Vendilion Clique. I also have a foil Petrified Field that I really want to use, and I'm going to try replacing the 4th Wasteland with it. It seems like the Knightable "gimme my land back" could come in handy. Finally, I'm going to take one of the basic Plains and replace it with a 7th fetch for the reason Tacosnape mentioned above, in having the Knight hit the table all big from the start.

Thoughts?

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You have the same manabase than me except changing a basic forest for Gaea's Cradle. I wouldn't change Horizon Canopy, and it sounds great having 4Mom + 4MM. For me Mom is essential for a Knight not be chumpblocked round after round. Also I play 4 Noble Hierarch and 1 Birds of Paradise to maximize the first turn chances of playing a mana dude. I love Mindcensor but I feel more useful with Vial. Also I found Terravore so useful due to trample, not only for being so big, it's another way to damage the opponent when we haven't an active Mom (due to be killed or to be topdecked so later).

What you think about this List:

//Lands
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Forest
1 Plains
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Maze of Ith
3 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Tropical Island



//Creatures
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Birds of Paradise
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Eternal Witness
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Mother of Runes
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Quirion Ranger
1 Scryb Ranger
3 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Aven Mindcensor
1 Edric, Spymaster of Trest
1 Gaddock Teeg


//Artifacts
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Feast And Famine
1 Batterskull


//Sorceries
4 Green Sun's Zenith

//Instants
4 Swords To Plowshares





//Sideboard
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Wing Shards
1 Enlightened Tutor
2 Krosan Grip
2 Choke
1 Elspeth, Knight-errant
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Phyrexian Metamorph

Looks pretty solid and not so far out of the box. I don't think you need 4 Savannahs if you run a Tropical, I'd cut the 4th and run a 7th fetchland.

Also, what are everyone's thought on the new flash Deathtouch Viper? Could be playable as a tutorable pseudoremoval?

IMO not worth a slot. To small no impact on game. We have better dudes in 2 cmc slots. When it's useful ? As 1-on-1 trade on flash ? Its conditional trade and more over it died to any other creatures.

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What you think about this List:

//Lands
4 Savannah
4 Windswept Heath
2 Verdant Catacombs
2 Forest
1 Plains
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Maze of Ith
3 Wasteland
1 Karakas
1 Tropical Island



//Creatures
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
3 Noble Hierarch
1 Birds of Paradise
2 Qasali Pridemage
1 Eternal Witness
1 Scavenging Ooze
4 Mother of Runes
4 Knight of the Reliquary
1 Quirion Ranger
1 Scryb Ranger
3 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Aven Mindcensor
1 Edric, Spymaster of Trest
1 Gaddock Teeg


//Artifacts
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Sword of Feast And Famine
1 Batterskull


//Sorceries
4 Green Sun's Zenith

//Instants
4 Swords To Plowshares





//Sideboard
2 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Wing Shards
1 Enlightened Tutor
2 Krosan Grip
2 Choke
1 Elspeth, Knight-errant
1 Tormod's Crypt
1 Relic of Progenitus
1 Bojuka Bog
2 Phyrexian Metamorph

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I think it's a standard maverick decklist. What do you want us to say to you ?

No impact on game? It's a blocker besides Knight which actually kills attacking critters, not just stalls them. Also, it's recurring removal with SoLaS.

As a one-of ... it seems strictly worse than Thornweald Archer. You will hardly ever draw it, so it's flash ability is largely irrelevant. I don't believe this is worth it, largely because the two main deck to beat's (NO RUG and UW Stoneblade) either have lavamancer or sword of feast and famine to deal with it.

Well, I would play him at least as 2-of IF he proves worthy in testing.

If you want more removal in the deck, then there are much better options. If you want more creatures in the deck, then there are much better options. I just don't see this guy fitting into this deck at all.

What is the general consensus on this deck vs NO RUG? I'm going to a tournament where I expect quite a few NO RUG players to be. Is there a particular configuration that is better vs them? Typical sideboard strategies?

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by CorpT

What is the general consensus on this deck vs NO RUG? I'm going to a tournament where I expect quite a few NO RUG players to be. Is there a particular configuration that is better vs them? Typical sideboard strategies?

Thanks!

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VS NORUG you usually want a maindeck Gaddock teeg. You also don't want to see grim lavamancer too often, either you misstep or swords him because he can gets really annoying if he hits the board early.