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But not if they don't turn him into a creature. Perhaps the play is get them to negative life, then upkeep Decay him.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
I was thinking about Entreat when I was doing surgery today. Seems pretty cool to either EOT kill another random derdly deck, or just make Miracles have it.
-Matt
As long as it's a Planeswalker, just send 2+ creatures towards its face. Or Sigarda, they still can't target her.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
For sure, just saying.
Nvm
I've tried an Entreat in the past Matt, and it might just be my shit luck, but I never found it to work out. I always either drew it too soon, or it chewed up my mana because I had to keep pushing it down with Top, or it was answered / countered and I got time walked. Certainly feel free to experiment, but it didn't seem that great to me.
Double white also seems relatively difficult for us at times. Broodmate Dragon is a relatively mediocre finisher and I think we'd need to be casting it for X=4 or more to reasonably expect to actually end games with it, and it can't be recurred or tutored like similar 6cmc finishers while also being garbage in the opening hand.Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
Been watching the spoilers, looking for interesting cards. Came up with an interaction earlier that I think might be powerful. With the Crop Rotation strategy, Maze of Ith is a great removal spell, but as it turns out, you also have an end of combat step where you can use Maze of Ith on your own guys. There could be something there with exert. So far Watchful Naga is the best in green, and Combat Celebrant is the best overall, which isn't quite good enough. Worth keeping in mind though.
I think if you are free to durdle around attacking the opponent with weak creatures while using up a non-mana producing land, you are already in a good spot :tongue:Quote:
Originally Posted by Brael
New Nissa is interesting. It's a big plus for a possible Reanimator Fit?
3BB, 5 loyalty
+1 Make a 2/2 zombie, mill yourself 2
-3 Put target creature card from your grave into play, it's now a zombie
-7 Destroy all non-zombies
Still don't think she could compete with Nissa at the 5CC slots. But worth a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by square_two
You mean Liliana, not Nissa ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by square_two
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/l...thsmajesty.jpg
I still like nissa more because even though it can't reanimate a creature I find the flexibility of being able to choose non creature cards back to hand better. To me it feels more flexible. Nissa is also more aggressive which I like for closing games out fast if you can stabilize with her.
That said I don't think new lili is bad. I suppose if there was a more gy based/reanimator deck that maybe used delirium or something to get more out of the self mill. Not really sure what that deck would look like but my gut says BUG colors.
That's why I said there's nothing good enough yet. 3 mana for a 2/2 even if it draws you a card every turn isn't good enough. The extra combat step guy is definitely good enough, but he can't be tutored, and he's red so it would be a totally new build.Quote:
Originally Posted by square_two
If the right creature shows up, it's definitely something I'll consider using.
You run into problems with opposing deathrites then, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
I think she worth try!Quote:
Originally Posted by Arianrhod
I will put 1 Nissa and 1 Lili instead of 2 Nissa.
+ 1 is over fat with top!
Liliana is too slow. 2 turns to deal 2 damage. Nissa deals 10 in that time with a stronger ult.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ulysse95
Quote:
Originally Posted by Memories of the Time
I love this Evolutionary Leap addition. I've been crushing decks on Cockatrice, Burn, TNN Tempo, Miracles, D&T etc.
I made a few modifications. Let me know what you guys think. The deck is super good, and no one can really play around it.
The weaknesses are fast combo and big mana decks like Cloudposts. I think the deck is really well positioned because of the
lack of fast combo and recent uptick of midrange/control/tempo decks featuring SFM, TNN, DRS, and such.
// 60 Maindeck
// 3 Artifact
3 Sensei's Divining Top
// 13 Creature
4 Academy Rector
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Eternal Witness
1 Eidolon of Blossoms
1 Doomwake Giant
1 Courser of Kruphix
1 Deathrite Shaman
// 13 Enchantment
1 Starfield of Nyx
1 Living Plane
1 Parallax Wave
3 Pernicious Deed
3 Sterling Grove
1 Faith's Fetters
2 Evolutionary Leap
1 Seal of Primordium
// 2 Instant
2 Abrupt Decay
// 22 Land
3 Windswept Heath
3 Verdant Catacombs
2 Swamp
2 Forest
1 Scrubland
1 Savannah
2 Bayou
2 Plains
3 Phyrexian Tower
2 Marsh Flats
1 Cavern of Souls
// 7 Sorcery
2 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Cabal Therapy
1 Painful Truths
// 15 Sideboard
// 1 Creature
SB: 1 Eidolon of Rhetoric
// 11 Enchantment
SB: 1 Curse of Death's Hold
SB: 3 Leyline of Sanctity
SB: 1 Humility
SB: 3 Leyline of the Void
SB: 2 Carpet of Flowers
SB: 1 Sphere of Law
// 3 Instant
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 1 To the Slaughter
I went 3-1 with my Junk fit list tonight. Beating Show and Tell, Mono Red Sneak, and Jund. Losing to Death and Taxes. Got pretty lucky against SnT with his poor mulls and such. Blind Therapy hits are by far the greatest thing in Legacy. I think I was like 4/5 on blind therapy. Best was Turn 2 Green sun for explorer against Jund he goes Bob pass. I go Therapy blind name Bloodbraid, hit. Flashback take a Bob from his hand and decay his on board bob. Nissa continues to impress me, Garruk is also pretty good. I've gotten to use his -1 so many times in this deck it's amazing. Still not sure on Bellower how good he is or not. I might go with a second Tribe Elder somehow and just straight cut Renegade Rallier. Doctor Tickles has also impressed me a lot. I kind of put him in as a joke, but he's secretly pretty good. I don't think I've wanted Thragtusk even one time so far. What other good 5 drop green guys outside of Sigarda exist? Also just thinking. Woodland Bellower is really good to put in off of Show and Tell. I can put him in and get Rec Sage if they put in Omniscience or Sneak Attack, or if they put in Emrakul or Griselbrand he can find me a Knight that can then find me a karakas. I have no idea if that's any good, but it sounds kind of sweet. Maybe instead of Tusk, Bellower number 2?
http://magiccards.info/scans/en/shm/204.jpgQuote:
Originally Posted by Megadeus
Entourage of Trest
Gurzigost
Ishkanah, Grafwidow
Lord of Extinction
Nessian Game Warden
Prophet of Kruphix
Sage of Ancient Lore
Yeah unfortunately not much holds a candle to Sigarda - especially all the dumb vanilla-esque beaters.
There's also Verdurous Gearhulk, a 5 mana, 8/8 trample.
It's not as hard to kill as Sigarda, but improves the clock by a full turn. I've been running it for some time now and, well, it's never been bad (I mean, it's an 8/8 trample, what about that can suck?). Often I'll still GSZ for Sigarda (b/c it's Sigarda), but every now and then the occasion does call for Gearhulk.
Thragtusk is a fine beater too.
@TTX and Nyx Fit
The more i play this deck, the more i'm convinced that have made it removal-proof is one of the best thing that i've chosen: I really can't understand why you have to play suboptimal cards like Coursier and Eidolon: You don't want to gsz for them 9 times on 10, and the other time you're already in a good position and they don't help you a lot. Really, i like Coursier and i've played it for many games, but it's simply weak. Eidolon is even worse.
Giant... i've expressed my consideration about it. Maindeck Curse is way better against D&T and Miracle -more important for me-, while Giant can block an Angler/Goyf/Smasher. Plus, Curse is a clear lock with Living Plane/Humility/dovescape, Giant no. It's your choice, but remember that any creature in your deck that you want to have on the battlefield makes Leap worse, because you break the chain and so on.
Why Sphere of Law riskying to die anyway and not CoP:red that's a 100% gg?
I am running this through a league right now. 2-0 in matches, 4-0 in games so far. I'll record replays in the next couple weeks and post them to my barren youtube page. I played against BUG True-Name (no stifles or delvers that i saw) and Omni-Sneak with cunning wish/intuition stuffs. [aside]pinkfrosting was the omni player and i always face him and lose when he runs painter. It was nice to get a win, though opp mulls to 3 do that. Drawing Rec Sage in opener both games is also nice.[/aside]
The list is a fairly straightforward medium-light value Jund list with some severe anti Miracles and anti-combo hate in the board.
Deck: Jund Fit.dec
Counts : 61 main / 15 sideboard
Creatures:16
1 Dryad Arbor
2 Deathrite Shaman
4 Veteran Explorer
1 Eternal Witness
1 Reclamation Sage
2 Tireless Tracker
1 Giant Solifuge
1 Master of the Wild Hunt
1 Meren of Clan Nel Toth
1 Thragtusk
1 Primeval Titan
Spells:23
4 Cabal Therapy
4 Green Sun's Zenith
3 Sensei's Divining Top
3 Abrupt Decay
2 Punishing Fire
1 Liliana, the Last Hope
1 Maelstrom Pulse
3 Pernicious Deed
2 Nissa, Vital Force
Lands:22
3 Bayou
4 Forest
2 Grove of the Burnwillows
1 Mountain
1 Phyrexian Tower
2 Swamp
1 Taiga
4 Verdant Catacombs
1 Volrath's Stronghold
3 Wooded Foothills
Sideboard:15
2 Walking Ballista
1 Glissa, the Traitor
2 Carpet of Flowers
2 Surgical Extraction
2 Thoughtseize
1 Diabolic Edict
1 Lost Legacy
1 To the Slaughter
1 Toxic Deluge
2 Slaughter Games
What's the state of the art of the NYX fit version? What kinds of configurations are available and against which decks are they good or bad?
I want to try the deck online, where the metagame is miracles delver and bug.
I am so happy that you guys are starting to adopt the solifuge technology, it does its job and creates hilarious reactions from the opponents.
Speaking of Nyx, Cruel Finality is a one-sided Abyss that also kills Jace and is a finisher. It costs 7, but Rector is a thing and this card is game ending against anything that doesn't go wide / doesn't need a board state. Definitely going to make an impact (also, it'll be cheap, because it's hot garbage everywhere else).
Avec you se en the brand new curse?
Cruel reality
A good target for a rector. A bit expensive on its own, but but strong effect gor Nyx Fit!
Need some test. But control + kill combined seems great
Dunno, the new curse could be nice in terms of clock, something we could miss (online many players just concede, IRL the possibility of draw could be bad if we lose the first game). Anyway Dovescape could also work as a finisher when we have a Curse of Death Hold in play.
@Rubblekill: my list is in the previous page, i'm finding it very good and i'm buying the cards to play it IRL. My only problems are linked with Fast combo (ofc) and Manabase: 3 tower and 1 Cavern + the six pack of basics could be weird sometimes. I'm thinking about cutting one tower, due to the 2 Evolutionary Leap maindeck, to add another fetch
The nice thing about the new curse is that if fulfils a similar role to Chromanticore and Doomwake while not being a creature - it's an answer to an opponent's board state which also kills them, so you get to stabilize and apply pressure with a single Rector trigger.
Previously, if they had a Jace, or a Goyf or something like that which we couldn't just leave on the battlefield, we needed to search up a Deed, Faith's Fetters or other removal effect which meant we would answer the threat, but any followup they have is still live. Now we can deal with problem permanents while gaining board presence at the same time, which is seriously great to have.
Absolutely true. Very often i've had to search for a deed just to destroy a single goyf.Quote:
Originally Posted by Navsi
edit: it's also very good in a list like mine, where Evolutionary Leap push you to play just 9-10 creatures that you don't want on the battlefield for too long
Nyx Fit has always struggled with early interaction. Usually if you can get a Rector trigger and you choose correctly (the lines are really complex with this deck) then you can win. Knowing when to crack Groves is also pretty huge and leads to further complexity.Quote:
Originally Posted by rubblekill
I like the evo leap idea, I will try it on my next league run. Evo Leap as a sac outlet means that we can shift to 2 Phyrexian Tower, 1-2 Cavern which sounds good.
Cruel Reality is so so good for us - I'm seeing some valid looking lists that actually have room to run 3 Decay, 2 Collective Brutality, 2 Swords which will be great in the early game and could completely solve that issue. Lack of GSZ targets or an excess Leap can pitch to Brutality.
1 each of Nether Void, Living Plane, Curse of Death's Hold, and Cruel Reality helps to trim down on the number of powerful effects needed against many matchups.
I've been brewing a pretty janky but fun BGc build with heartless summoning and eldrazi. When it works its great, but it's not very stable. Mana base is still pretty raw and the build overall is still pretty raw, but its actually quite fun to play. Need to reliably get rid of extra heartless summonings late game. the 3x collective brutality does well, but i'm thinking of adding an extra 1 LOTV for more discard outlets.
The cool thing about heartless summoning is it automatically kills explorers. turn 1 explorer 2 turn heartless summoning is pretty strong. Heartless also makes it super easy to cast emrakul. Delerium is not as easy to get as I want it to be now because a lack of instants / artifacts. Any ideas on helping with that?
Again, it is super janky and I don't expect this to do well in any tournaments but its an interesting new take on nic fit that I am trying to make better for "casual" legacy play. Any feedback would be helpful to try to make this deck more stable / powerful.
4 verdant catacombs
3 misty rainforest
1 eye of ugin
1 eldrazi temple
2 llanowar wastes
3 bayou
1 cavern of souls
2 forest
2 swamp
1 wastes
1 phyrexian tower
1 volrath's stronghold
Creatures
4 veteran explorer
2 tireless tracker
1 meren of clan nel toth
3 thought-knot seer
3 reality smasher
1 thragtusk
1 primeval titan
1 emrakul, the promised end
Planeswalkers
1 nissa, vital force
Artifacts
3 sensei's divining top
Spells
4 cabal therapy
3 Green Sun's Zenith
2 traverse the ulvenwald
3 pernicious deed
3 collective brutality
4 heartless summoning
I would say you want Baleful Strix, but it's not great with Heartless Summoning. Other options:Quote:
Originally Posted by zyren
- Myr Superion (this guy is a beast, but uncastable without a Heartless Summoning.. )
- Engineered Explosives (maybe a Trinket Mage or Trophy Mage package?)
- Liliana, the Last Hope builds delirium pretty well.
The main problem between a list with leap and another one without it is the fact that with leap you want cards with etb/dies, so no big creature or hatebearer, so less beatdown. New curse is also very good as a finisher
Champion of Rhonas 3c1g (4CMC)
P/T: 3/3
You may exert COR as it attacks. When you do you may put a creature card from your hand onto the battlefield.
Got me thinking about Sneak Fit. Basically the only thing I could think of this is a worse/vulnerable Sneak attack. BUT you can GSZ for it so I am tempted to try it as a 1 of. My gut tells me it's just too slow and not what Sneak Fit really wants. But being able to tutor for a psudeo sneak attack effect to cheat in Emrakul/other fattie has me interested.
Edit: I realize elvish piper is already a card, that we don't play...so yea. Champion doesn't cut it if we wanted that effect.
It's too slow. At 5 mana you cast Sneak, activate Sneak, and attack that turn.Quote:
Originally Posted by Luthiereisfun
With this card you GSZ it at 5, wait a turn to attack, attack+exert, put a card down, and then wait yet another turn to attack.
I think that yes: this deck is not designed to operate with 3 mana. If that were the case, we would be playing Deathrite Shaman and Birds of Paradise instead of Veteran Explorer, so I feel that a 2-cmc zenith target that can crack Vet while providing some pressure might be worth a try.Quote:
Originally Posted by Echelon
What defines this deck is Vet, and when you play a game in which you can not make him die you are not executing your game plan and you might wind up with expensive cards clogged in your hand and just lose. We have 8 cards that can put a Vet into play but most lists (save for Crop Rotation ones and Nyx Fit which runs more than 1 Phyrexian Tower) have only 5 cards that can get it dead in an advantageous manner (wasting a removal spell to do it is quite subpar).
As for which of the 2 would I choose, I think I would go with Channeler Initiate. While Exemplar of Strength is better if you use him to kill a Vet, the other one goes more with our game plan if you draw it as it can be used as a dork in a Veteran-less scenario...
Hello , I am new to this thread, and I have been playing U splashing (for BS and Jace) variations for a while.
Sorry for newbie question,
which card is 'Croc' refers to ? :laugh:
Thanks.
grizzly, here is what we are talking about when referring to the "croc."
New card from Amonkhet:
http://mythicspoiler.com/akh/cards/c...hecrossing.jpg
I might have mentioned it a long time ago, but if we're talking about GSZ-able creatures that are hasty for planeswalkers, and have synergy with the deck (especially if it's a variant heavy on creature sacrifice), my personal favorite is Strangleroot Geist.
That's cool, Strangleroot Geist and Croc even have synergy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Scott
Edit: damn auto-correct
Wow, I see, it is cool :laugh:Quote:
Originally Posted by MDHackbert