[Deck] Dragon Stompy

Dear God, what is this degenerating into?

Silent Arbiter is an awful idea. Awful awful awful. You are Dragon Stompy. You are aggro by every definition of the word. You win games by swinging with large numbers of large creatures. You do not win games by running 1/5 creatures that keep you from swinging.

Faerie Stompy might get away with this guy because most of its attackers have flying and therefore it can afford to play a slower game due to evasion. Hell, you might find some deck that uses SA with Doran. But it does not belong in Dragon Stompy in any way whatsoever.

Silent Arbiter isn't red. It doesn't kill your opponent. And it doesn't fix your manabase. And it doesn't provide nearly enough disruption to warrant not doing any of these things. It's trash.

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Originally Posted by Hightower

Quick note:

Razormane Masticore fucks you up -> you dont have hellbent with it in play, since you need to always keep 1 card for your upkeep..

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Everybody read this. Seriously. Hightower is 100% exactly right.

It's been mentioned about fifteen times in this thread. Razormane Masticore is eliminated from being played by the presence of Gathan Raiders and Rakdos Pit Dragon, who highly prefer you go into an attack step with no cards in hand. Razormane Masticore dies next turn if you ever do this. Razormane isn't as good as Gathan Raiders. No threat in the deck is as good as Gathan Raiders. Therefore if Gathan Raiders says Razormane can't be on the team, which it does, Razormane can't be on the team.

Here is my current plan for my version....

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
12 Mountain

4 Tarox (5)
4 Arc-Slogger (5)
4 Pit Dragon (4)
4 Magus of the Moon (3)
4 Spirit Guide (3)
3 Rorix (6)

4 Chrome Mox :0:
4 Chalice of the Void (XX)
2 Sword of Fire and Ice (3)
3 Trinisphere (3)
4 Seething Song (3)

SB
TBD

....I also posted up all of the converted mana costs for all the cards as the similes put too much of a cap on how many I could put up at once.

I want to apologize if my AWFUL thought about Silent Arbiter offended anybody. While I am tempted to respond angrily to a certain post, I am aware that some people define themselves exclusively through collectible card games and thus need to say stupid things to feel important. At least these people sometimes come up with good deck ideas, so I guess they do serve ONE purpose in this world.

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Originally Posted by DrewliusMaximus

I want to apologize if my AWFUL thought about Silent Arbiter offended anybody. While I am tempted to respond angrily to a certain post, I am aware that some people define themselves exclusively through collectible card games and thus need to say stupid things to feel important. At least these people sometimes come up with good deck ideas, so I guess they do serve ONE purpose in this world.

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Why would you be angry? I don't think anyone attacked you personally, just the merits of your ideas. If you disagree, defend the idea. If you don't, then let's move on. If you want to avoid this in the future, play the deck a ton and come up with quality posts with interesting ideas, detailed thoughts on what it will replace and what purpose it will serve.

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Originally Posted by DrewliusMaximus

I want to apologize if my AWFUL thought about Silent Arbiter offended anybody. While I am tempted to respond angrily to a certain post, I am aware that some people define themselves exclusively through collectible card games and thus need to say stupid things to feel important. At least these people sometimes come up with good deck ideas, so I guess they do serve ONE purpose in this world.

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Everyone has their opinions and there is no offense about them dude but as long as it doesn't start a flame war it is all kool.

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Originally Posted by mercenarybdu

Here is my current plan for my version....

4 Ancient Tomb
4 City of Traitors
12 Mountain

4 Tarox (5)
4 Arc-Slogger (5)
4 Pit Dragon (4)
4 Magus of the Moon (3)
4 Spirit Guide (3)
3 Rorix (6)

4 Chrome Mox :0:
4 Chalice of the Void (XX)
2 Sword of Fire and Ice (3)
3 Trinisphere (3)
4 Seething Song (3)

SB
TBD

....I also posted up all of the converted mana costs for all the cards as the similes put too much of a cap on how many I could put up at once.

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You've jacked your average CC through the roof while cutting the disruption? I'm at a loss to see how this improves the deck as it interferes with the basic plan to quickly drop a piece of disruption & a fat guy & beat while the opponent flounders. You are more than able to play this build (or any build or any deck that you choose) but please explain why any of the rest of us should?

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Originally Posted by mercenarybdu

3 Rorix (6).

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Wouldn't Covetous Dragon be a much better choice - especially off Seething Song? Seems no one likes him because of his condition, perhaps? I think he's a monster early or late game.

I don't think Covetous Dragon is needed, but if you do, please add Great Furnace.

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Originally Posted by Filipinho

...please add Great Furnace.

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So his mana-base can be more susceptible to Wasteland and artifact hate while he has 3Sphere on the board and losing the City of Traitors to other lands? There's no need for Furnace - at all. The base is solid as it is.

As I've said on the Salvation fourms;

...it [Covetous Dragon] should not be run. You shouldn't open your self into card disadvantage so easily in a deck that overextends. Raiders and Dragons are exceptions due to their sheer power.

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Originally Posted by Sanguine Voyeur

As I've said on the Salvation fourms;
You shouldn't open your self into card disadvantage so easily in a deck that overextends.

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Okay, so what you're saying is: Overextend your resources (assuming a Covetous Dragon is on the table), because that is how the deck plays. You should have an ample amount of artifacts on the table to prevent that from being sacrificed - it just won't happen. Plus, if someone is going to StP it, they'd better do it or pretty much lose. Otherwise, I don't see you having anything to lose, especially if you drop Chalice for one TURN one.

Turn One: Ancient Tomb, Chalice for One.
Turn Two: Mountain/Mox, Ancient Tomb, Seething Song, Dragon.

You put your opponent in a predicament where now they have to Force it through your Chalice for one - stopping Swords. And you're sitting there with a 6/5 flying creature. That is generally GG if they don't have it.

Turning Krosan Grips into 2-for-1's and Ancient Grudges into 3-for-1's isn't what this deck wants. Plus, we are in NO WAY looking for more 5 drops, so he would have to take Sloggers spot, and that's not about to happen.

I would probably play him over Rorix, but Rorix is complete crap here, and no one should run him. We have, you know, three GOOD creatures vying for basically 1.5 slots, so why run hard to cast bad ones?

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Originally Posted by Phantom

Turning Krosan Grips into 2-for-1's and Ancient Grudges into 3-for-1's isn't what this deck wants. Plus, we are in NO WAY looking for more 5 drops, so he would have to take Sloggers spot, and that's not about to happen.

I would probably play him over Rorix, but Rorix is complete crap here, and no one should run him. We have, you know, three GOOD creatures vying for basically 1.5 slots, so why run hard to cast bad ones?

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1.) You run 13 artifacts. You won't turn those cards into 2 or 3 for ones - that I can promise you.

2.) By the time someone actually has mana for a Grip - you should have an established threat on the board with counter-active backup. I wouldn't concern myself too much with that. Perhaps the deck needs more artifacts. Anyways, for a deck that calls itself "Dragon Stompy", I can't see how you can't find a way to fit him in there - because he is that good here. Try him out.

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Originally Posted by Filipinho

I don't think Covetous Dragon is needed, but if you do, please add Great Furnace.

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Perhaps we could go in that direction since I do have some spare set of Great Furnace on hand. But then I would lose haste and leave myself wide open for my opponent to get ideas with his Krosan Grips and other undesirables.

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Originally Posted by A Legend

1.) You run 13 artifacts. You won't turn those cards into 2 or 3 for ones - that I can promise you.

2.) By the time someone actually has mana for a Grip - you should have an established threat on the board with counter-active backup. I wouldn't concern myself too much with that. Perhaps the deck needs more artifacts. Anyways, for a deck that calls itself "Dragon Stompy", I can't see how you can't find a way to fit him in there - because he is that good here. Try him out.

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I have. Trust ME, it's not great. Or that is to say, it's too often terrible. The deck is already volitile, why add more inconsistency while not adding much power? There are times I want to pump out a creature on turn one with Song (think Goblins). Dragon can't do that. There are times when I can't stick an artifact and I have to resolve a creature. Dragon can't do that. There are times when I want to play the creature before I play the equipment. Dragon can't do that. There ARE going to be plenty of times you turn Grip and Grudge into card advantage. 13 artifacts doesn't always translate into three on the board. You know what Thresh likes to do? They like to counter our artifacts. Goblins? Tutor up some Hooligans and board in Grip. Loam? Buning Wish -> Shattering Spree -> good game.

This was a suggestion from the very beggining of the deck and i have tested it at all turns. IT IS NOT in any way beytter than Slogger, or pit Dragon, and there is no way I'm cutting a 3cc creature for a 5cc risky one.

mercenarybdu loose Tarox and Rorix and add Blood moon, jitte and raiders.

Covetous Dragon's decent, but incredibly risky. The upside of Covetous Dragon's pretty obvious. It has a power of 6 and it flies.

The problem with Covetous Dragon is that destroying Dragon Stompy's artifacts seriously hurts you anyway. Losing a Chalice is generally big, as is losing a Chrome Mox. You'd pick up some artifacts from Great Furnace, sure, but losing the red source would hurt here too. The only artifact you can sometimes afford to lose is a Jitte. (Or a Trinisphere, if you run them.)

This makes any and all artifact destruction very strong against DS. Despite what people may tell you, it isn't all that strong against DS otherwise.

Also, I might add that Pernicious Deed for 0 is usually enough to sweep all your artifacts, meaning it's incredibly effective at getting Covetous Dragon off the board.

I love how every other post in this thread is some random dude suggesting another god-awful card on the basis of because they THINK it will be good, but actually have no ACTUAL testing to back it up. And if they do, said testing suceeds in PROVING the card is god-awful.

Seriously, Tacosnape knows whats up. Stop doubting him.

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Originally Posted by savemysoul

mercenarybdu loose Tarox and Rorix and add Blood moon, jitte and raiders.

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The T2 players in my area have already driven up the price of Blood Moon to $7 a card after CA sales tax and I didn't find Jitte effective.

Raiders were alright but they're still on my table in the event I need to switch part of the plan back.

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Originally Posted by mercenarybdu

The T2 players in my area have already driven up the price of Blood Moon to $7 a card after CA sales tax and I didn't find Jitte effective.

Raiders were alright but they're still on my table in the event I need to switch part of the plan back.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/1-Blood-Moon-MtG...QQcmdZViewItem

$9 per playset, inc. shipping.

Talk more about trinis, akroma/sulfur/maulers and equipments.
Some sideboarding discussion would be appreciated also, I think.
And please, pretty please, stop trying to gang-bang this deck. It's called Dragon Stompy yes, but this does not in any way mean that we want to play some ¤&"/# dragons! It's more like MOON stompy goddammit. 8 moon effects, SSG bathes in moonlight, jitte has a moon in the background, even arc-slogger seems to be in the "&%#/# moon. Moons everywhere..

Anyway.. There's a legacy-tournament coming again and I'm debating about those trinispheres. 0 / 2-3 md, if no md, 3 sb? Or just go without, what the heck. I seriously don't know what to do with them.
I would also like to drop the jittes, but they're too good I'm afraid :(
I like the idea of more threats, and I think a 2-2 split between akromas and sulfurs could perform, but those sulfurs are reeeally not good enough. They're more like combat tricks than threats. And 4 Akromas just feel.. weird.

People who have tested maulers: how has he done? Better than sulfur?
Has the inclusion of mediocre threaths like sulfurs been better than trinis?

Maulers do wonders for me, but I play 4 3sphere, so a 1turn sphere or CotV, than mauler. Way better than elemental in my opinion and testing against breakfast and U/G/r thresh.

mercenarybdu the deck your building is much worse than the original DS, so where`s the catch ?

This is My list.


// Lands
10 [MM] Mountain (4)
4 [TE] Ancient Tomb
4 [EX] City of Traitors

// Creatures
4 [DIS] Rakdos Pit Dragon
4 [FUT] Gathan Raiders
3 [MR] Arc-Slogger ======> Sometimes it is stuck in my hand
4 [FUT] Magus of the Moon
4 [PLC] Simian Spirit Guide
2 [PLC] Akroma, Angel of Fury ====> I think I'll add 1 more
2 [PLC] Sulfur Elemental =====> Maybe I'll drop them

// Spells
4 [MR] Chalice of the Void
4 [MR] Chrome Mox
4 [MR] Seething Song
4 [8E] Blood Moon
3 [BOK] Umezawa's Jitte =====> correct number IMHO as I win a lot of games with Song, Magus or Simian or Morph + Jitte.

// Sideboard
SB: 4 [AL] Pyrokinesis =====> Thinkin about 3 MD, 'cause it helps Hellbent
SB: 4 [DS] Trinisphere =====> never MD as they can be redundant and bad topdeck. Also they are not red card and I win because of them only against Burn and Combo.
SB: 3 [10E] Pithing Needle
SB: 4 [CH] Tormod's Crypt



I am thinking of a list with +3 Pyrokinesis main +1 Akroma , with -2 Sulfur, -1 Arcslogger, -1 Blood Moon.
In SB: +1 Moon and +1 needle +1 Dunno

I like Taurean Mauler much more than Sulfur Elemental. For all the talk of Sulfur Elemental being a pseudo-removal spell as a surprise blocker, I've rarely been able to make that happen to any great effect. Even with all the lock pieces, my opponents still cast spells for Mauler, and they only really need to cast one spell before you're swinging for as much damage as a Sulfur Elemental. If they're completely locked out of the game, it doesn't matter which creature we're playing. Mauler almost always draws out a counter or removal spell when I drop him turn one; people are scared to death of this guy when they should be scared of Raiders, Dragon, and Moon.

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Originally Posted by Kuma

I like Taurean Mauler much more than Sulfur Elemental. For all the talk of Sulfur Elemental being a pseudo-removal spell as a surprise blocker, I've rarely been able to make that happen to any great effect. Even with all the lock pieces, my opponents still cast spells for Mauler, and they only really need to cast one spell before you're swinging for as much damage as a Sulfur Elemental. If they're completely locked out of the game, it doesn't matter which creature we're playing. Mauler almost always draws out a counter or removal spell when I drop him turn one; people are scared to death of this guy when they should be scared of Raiders, Dragon, and Moon.

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And that's where he fails. He's a HORRIBLE topdeck, while Sulfur Elemental is equally efficient early or late in the game.

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Originally Posted by mercenarybdu

The T2 players in my area have already driven up the price of Blood Moon to $7 a card after CA sales tax and I didn't find Jitte effective.

Raiders were alright but they're still on my table in the event I need to switch part of the plan back.

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Blood Moon is not legal in Type 2. And regardless, its not expensive none-the-less. Jitte isn't effective in your deck because you re casting shitty 6 mana dragons. You'll never have the mana available to cast one and equip. Trust me, Jitte is a scary card to see on the other side of the table.

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Originally Posted by TrialByFire

Blood Moon is not legal in Type 2. And regardless, its not expensive none-the-less. Jitte isn't effective in your deck because you re casting shitty 6 mana dragons. You'll never have the mana available to cast one and equip. Trust me, Jitte is a scary card to see on the other side of the table.

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Also with 6 mana I'd rather flip My Sherona *cough-cough* my Akroma.

An active Jitte is nuts. I've even casted my own Jitte just to bury my opponent's Jitte. Jitte wins game, period.

Also, Blood Moon can be had on trollandtoad.com for $.99 a piece. Ebay also has them for about $1 a piece. Seriously.

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Originally Posted by TrialByFire

I love how every other post in this thread is some random dude suggesting another god-awful card on the basis of because they THINK it will be good, but actually have no ACTUAL testing to back it up. And if they do, said testing suceeds in PROVING the card is god-awful.

Seriously, Tacosnape knows whats up. Stop doubting him.

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I'm not some random dude, dude. And yeah, I have tested it - and I've had no problems with it. In fact, I've won games with it. It's a suggestion that facilitates debate. And it is far from god-awful - it was played in mono-red acceleration/stax variants long before this deck was ever conceived. If it is ruled out as a possibility that's fine - but don't assume one player knows the be all and end all of one solid deck in the format. That's foolish.

I have tested all of the following creatures in this deck:

3cc Red Guys

Arc Mage
Barbarian Bully
Bloodrock Cyclops
Fire Imp
Granite Gargoyle
Hell-Bent Raider
Hulking Ogre
Jaya Ballard, Task Mage
Skirk Shaman
Sulfur Elemental
Suq'Ata Lancer

3cc Art Guys

Phyrexian War Beast
Steel Golem

4cc Red guys

Balduvian Horde
Coal Stoker
Ekundu Cyclops
Flametongue Kavu
Lava Hounds
Pillaging Horde
Rakdos Pit Dragon
Volcano Hellion
Warmonger

4cc Art Guys

Grid Monitor
Juggernaut
Masticore
Synod Centurion

5cc Red Guys

Covetous Dragon
Gathan Raiders*
Tahngarth, Talruum Hero
Tarox Bladewing
Tephraderm

5cc Art guys

Razormane Masticore

Morphs

Akroma, Angel of Fury

Some of the 3cc guys were debatably good compared to Sulfur Elemental in some metagames, but the creature base I settled on was the one I placed with, and I wouldn't change a thing.

why didn`t you test mauler ?

I really like the idea of 2 Akromas in DS, as once your opponent has seen one/seen a gathan raiders, they will probably neevr get blocked if you have 1 card in hand or six mana open (or 4 + a [seething song] in hand), whichever they are. Swining with a jitte-equipped akroma is a fine too.

EDIT: Harcasting Akroma vs a control deck turn a million could be fun too, esp when they try to FoW her and you point out that she (the spell) can still be targeted by counterspells, but she isn't countered. Seemingly irrelavent line of text could be extremely relevant someday. (and good for infi lulz)

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Originally Posted by Media314r8

EDIT: Harcasting Akroma vs a control deck turn a million could be fun too, esp when they try to FoW her and you point out that she (the spell) can still be targeted by counterspells, but she isn't countered. Seemingly irrelavent line of text could be extremely relevant someday. (and good for infi lulz)

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You never know. Some random player playing some random UW control deck could Absorb your Akroma. He still gains the 3 life. Booya!

and some random DS player would say something random like : akroma CAN`T be countered and he wouldn`t gain 3 life Booya !

Lol, I remember getting into arguments back in 2001 (MM/Invasion Type 2) over Absorb v. Urza's Rage. Although the net result is "nothing changes", it still was interesting to hear people scream at each other about Absorb v. Urza's Rage.

Back on topic, I've been playing Sulfur Elemental and I love him; virtually guaranteed to resolve, 2R cc, instant speed, and the ability to mow down white creatures (Jotun Grunt anyone?) is awesome.

If he Absorbs I'd punch him in the face.

If he CAN Absorb, He avoided a full 4/4 Moon/Magus strategy.

Akroma is every day better: She makes your opponent think about what lies under my ORANGE sleeves, she can beat THE GAME if Jitte is online,
she can imprint, I'll never stress this enough, and she pitches to Pyro.

Sweet Akroma, I want you in a 4x foil set!

Jitte alone can beat Silver Knight if it's ready. -1/-1 effect isn't red.

Unless its readiness is at 1 counter. Then, I'ma shut up.

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Originally Posted by savemysoul

why didn`t you test mauler ?

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It wasn't out when I did my gauntlet. I have yet to test him, but someday I'll get to it. Honestly, it will be hard to replace Sulfur Elemental.

Yeah, I love Sulfur Elemental too. Akroma is the only creature I would think of replacing him with, and even then, probably not all 4.

Sulfur Elemental should read:
I laugh at Grunts. I kill/disable White Weenie hordes. I can play neat combat tricks. I'm equally effective mid/late game as I am on turn 1. I'm virtually guaranteed to resolve.

And why would mauler be a bad topdeck ? He reads : your opponent doesn`t play spells or this gets fat.