Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Changing Decay for Explosives is also an option. Explosives can be cast with different cmc's with sunburst 2 offering a way to get rid of Counterbalance through an active top lock, it's also a good replacement for Decay when dealing with Chalices, costing 0 to cast and 2 to activate.
On the other hand it does offer a sweeping potential so it may be plausible to swap for Deed too, a copy perhaps. If you're playing Jitte then Explosives looks like a good replacement for a copy of Deed. Perncious Deed is one of the best cards in most lists but it can be worth considering other builds. With a couple of Deathrites in the build Explosives has a reasonable chance of stopping Jace even. And it's a way around Peedle on Deed.
Edit: this was a quick lunch post, should probably have read your last post more carefully before replying. Sorry for any irrelevant comments!
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
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pettdan
Edit: this was a quick lunch post, should probably have read your last post more carefully before replying. Sorry for any irrelevant comments!
No irrelevant comments were seen, my good sir. There's no need to apologize!
I do like the idea of changing AD for EE. I'm not sure if it'll improve any of our bad MUs though.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
I imagine it helps against Storm if they go for Empty the Warrens, and Miracles if they go for Entreat / Mentor tokens. Makes us even more vulnerable to Stifle than before, though.
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Navsi
I imagine it helps against Storm if they go for Empty the Warrens, and Miracles if they go for Entreat / Mentor tokens. Makes us even more vulnerable to Stifle than before, though.
Neither deck runs it and for the Miracles MU you do lose the ability to easily get rid of Counterbalance. You do have an easier time managing their finishers though. In some cases it might even help you deal with Jace where AD can't touch him.
As for other MUs, you do make your opponents' ADs better whenever you cast it without having 2 mana available. You can also not cast it at instant speed (like in your opponents' end step or when he moves to combat). When taking out a single target with CMC = 0 (CotV, mainly), it basically is AD with an easier colour requirement. In almost all other cases where you take out just 1 of your opponents' card, it's a strictly worse AD. In cases where you manage to 2-for-1 or better your opponent, it's better than AD.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Tempted to try Noxious Vapors out. Basically demolishes the hand of any colorless deck. Might be fast enough, and you get to keep some threats at least.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
Why would you want to run such a narrow card? You'd probably be better of casting Hymn to Tourach for 1 less mana. At least that doesn't let your opponent keep his best cards (necessarily). Or, you know, Thoughtseize. Costs 2 mana less and takes your opponents most important card without fail.
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Echelon
At least that doesn't let your opponent keep his best cards (necessarily)
If they are mono-colorless they lose all their nonland cards. Colorless isn't a color.
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Navsi
If they are mono-colorless they lose all their nonland cards. Colorless isn't a color.
In that extremely narrow application, yes. In all others it does the aformentioned, which is what I was getting at. If you run a card just to handle a fringe MU that isn't necessarily bad, you're just wasting valuable slots.
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Echelon
If you run a card just to handle a fringe MU that isn't necessarily bad, you're just wasting valuable slots.
Fair enough. I was under the impression that half the thread was convinced the sky was falling.
Personally, my plan is to slow them down a little with dudes and removal then drop Valakut on them.
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Navsi
Fair enough. I was under the impression that half the thread was convinced the sky was falling.
If only it was! If Eldrazi Stompy manages to stomp Miracles and ANT/TES (I don't know how it fares vs. those decks) it can rain Eldrazi all day as far as I'm concerned!
I guess time will tell.
Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
A recent report showed that eldrazi is in fact 44% of the online magic meta. People are calling it 16 tomb in legacy and I have personally played against it 5 times.
None of which were close. I don't believe the sky is falling but I feel that for the time being I may need to switch decks while I wait for the online meta to shift because getting a winning percentage against it is not likely with this deck.
Interestingly enough, prior to this menace being unleashed from the depths of wotc's basement, I felt junk fit was in the best of places and positioned perfectly, albeit online, to be a top contender.
I say continue with your currernt build. do not deviate to prepare for this eldrazi deck. If its overwhelmed your meta, switch decks for the time being.
Nic Fit never dies.
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Ricardio
A recent report showed that eldrazi is in fact 44% of the online magic meta. People are calling it 16 tomb in legacy and I have personally played against it 5 times.
None of which were close. I don't believe the sky is falling but I feel that for the time being I may need to switch decks while I wait for the online meta to shift because getting a winning percentage against it is not likely with this deck.
Interestingly enough, prior to this menace being unleashed from the depths of wotc's basement, I felt junk fit was in the best of places and positioned perfectly, albeit online, to be a top contender.
I say continue with your currernt build. do not deviate to prepare for this eldrazi deck. If its overwhelmed your meta, switch decks for the time being.
Nic Fit never dies.
44 of modern only, right? It can't be a global online statistic.
Top contender in a meta that's basically all about ant shard less and miracles? (And delver, one of our best mu)
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rubblekill
44 of modern only, right? It can't be a global online statistic.
Top contender in a meta that's basically all about ant shard less and miracles? (And delver, one of our best mu)
Not sure if those were coherent thoughts, haha.
44% of the mtgo meta which is global because you cant localize mtgo meta.
mtgo legacy meta is miracles, delver and shardless. 2/3 are easy matchups and miracles is a headache 50%+ mu.
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Ricardio
Not sure if those were coherent thoughts, haha.
44% of the mtgo meta which is global because you cant localize mtgo meta.
mtgo legacy meta is miracles, delver and shardless. 2/3 are easy matchups and miracles is a headache 50%+ mu.
Calling shard less easy is a bit of an overstatement in my opinion!
I probably haven't understood your statement about the 44% meta share (English is not my language after all): we only care about the legacy meta right? Who cares if in that 44% the biggest chunk of eldrazi decks belongs to the modern format? Unless you are telling me that all of a sudden in the last 3 days legacy has become a 44% eldrazi deck format. Sorry if I have not understood but I can't do anything about that!
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Ricardio
Not sure if those were coherent thoughts, haha.
44% of the mtgo meta which is global because you cant localize mtgo meta.
mtgo legacy meta is miracles, delver and shardless. 2/3 are easy matchups and miracles is a headache 50%+ mu.
If you're referring to this 44% figure: http://modernnexus.com/topdecks/
That's for Modern, not Legacy. Not sure what you're getting at?
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Ricardio
A recent report showed that eldrazi is in fact 44% of the online magic meta. People are calling it 16 tomb in legacy and I have personally played against it 5 times.
None of which were close. I don't believe the sky is falling but I feel that for the time being I may need to switch decks while I wait for the online meta to shift because getting a winning percentage against it is not likely with this deck.
Interestingly enough, prior to this menace being unleashed from the depths of wotc's basement, I felt junk fit was in the best of places and positioned perfectly, albeit online, to be a top contender.
I say continue with your currernt build. do not deviate to prepare for this eldrazi deck. If its overwhelmed your meta, switch decks for the time being.
Nic Fit never dies.
Cut a Deed & cut a Pulse. Play 2 toxic MD, smash them back :mad:
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Honestly, if you are super worried about the eldrazi beast the best place to go to is an insta kill combo. Which every deck has access to because of something like Tooth n Nail. Just entwine up any 2 card combo you want. What was the one used back in standard? Vampire Trike? ..... Actually maybe tooth wouldnt be terrible in a blue nic fit control shell. Plus side is you do not have to run a horrendous mana base like you do with Scape. You also get Brainstorm and Jace.
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Navsi
Modern can often times be a precursors to shifts in older formats. Also your average magic player is unimaginative and lazy so they will naturally attempt to port strong concepts in one format to another and try to cloak it as innovation.
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Ralf
Cut a Deed & cut a Pulse. Play 2 toxic MD, smash them back :mad:
too much life loss, homey. smasher hits for 5 and then we deluge for 5. 5+5=im no scientist, damn it.
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Tom4ik
Honestly, if you are super worried about the eldrazi beast the best place to go to is an insta kill combo. Which every deck has access to because of something like Tooth n Nail. Just entwine up any 2 card combo you want. What was the one used back in standard? Vampire Trike? ..... Actually maybe tooth wouldnt be terrible in a blue nic fit control shell. Plus side is you do not have to run a horrendous mana base like you do with Scape. You also get Brainstorm and Jace.
that's deep and im down. lets see a list, bud.
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Re: [Primer/Deck] Nic Fit
I know it's slow, but does Titania have a place as a final wall against the Aggro Eldrazi deck? A 5/3 will kill most of their creatures
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TTX
I know it's slow, but does Titania have a place as a final wall against the Aggro Eldrazi deck? A 5/3 will kill most of their creatures
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I can never look at Titania without also looking at; Sylvan Safekeeper, Knight of the Reliquary, Life from the Loam and to a lesser but innevitable extent Wasteland.
Maverick is a beautiful deck that misses Veteran Explorer.
NicFit is a beautiful deck that misses more utility and/or interaction with its' lands.
Combining the two has never gotten anywhere. The idea does get to me every time. NicFit that attacks opponents manabase.
