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Originally Posted by sdematt
Look for the archive videos with Punishing Maverick.
I don't even think that Punishing Fire is all that necessary, but in the spirit of testing ran it out there anyway. Got demolished.
I'm happy to take criticism on the deck list or even the plays. However from a format perspective, the deck doesn't feel like it can compete with the other big players.
I'm not really sure giving it two rounds is a fair shot? How refined was your list? Did you give it any testing outside of those two games? Pun. Fire may not be all that necessary, but it gives the deck an extension it can use at the moment.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
I'd be interested in seeing the list you ran, but dont feel like trying to decifer it on my iPhone, so if you would post it I would appreciate that.
I ran this list, with some standard callouts from the SB (2nd Jitte, g/y hate, combo hate, 4th thalia)
I only recorded the actual tournament, but have ran the list in some practice matchups.
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Gaddock Teeg
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Stoneforge Mystic
3 Noble Hierarch
3 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
3 Punishing Fire
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Life from the Loam
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Sylvan Library
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Cavern of Souls
1 Forest
1 Karakas
1 Plains
1 Plateau
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Taiga
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Savannah
3 Wasteland
4 Windswept Heath
Good points about that. Yeah, I may not really NEED Crusader against BUG, but he does extremely fine against:Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
- BUG (obviously)
- Junk (especially the GSZ Version with their own Knights and Oozes)
- Blade Control / Miracles (especially post board, as he's even threatening after they laid down their Rest in Peace - he evades Perish and likes sparring with Batterskull)
- The Mirror (okay, Punishing is already favoured in the Mirror, but again, he's great against Knights and Oozes - and doesn't need his Mother to get through)
- Jund (can stand up to everything they play except for Bolts - or their own PFires)
IMO, that's actually a big part of the field. And like Thalia, he can also be used for Combat tricks with PFire. Knight is still amazing, but I can tutor him when I really need him, and against many Decks nowadays, I feel that he's just a 2/2 Weathered Wayfarer for 3. If my Meta would shift back to more RUG than BUG, I would definitely put the 4th Knight back in, but I just don't feel that he's needed right now.
Again, I understand your points. I'll try it out like you suggested, looking if it makes much of a difference.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Btw, do you think I should go up to 24 lands? I mean, I rarely get Mana problems, but Punishing Maverick is quite Mana hungry, nonetheless.
List seems pretty stock, but I've done some testing with the list over the past week and ill share some ideas/opinions I've taken away from it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
-I greatly dislike the sword of feast and famine. Yes it's cute interactions add to extra pun fire uses, but relying on something we can't protect isn't worth the mana investment. I'm not even sure with all the targeted discard if SFM is correct to play ATM. It may sound silly but I am more of a fan of Scryb Ranger over the sword, for the simple fact of interactions with more than one card.
-aven Mindcensor is an interesting card with a lot of application but I can't figure out if this hate bear is really worth the investment. I noticed you didn't run any so interested on your thoughts.
- I really like the application of pun fire. Being able to target PW's and kill the endless see of <x/3 creatures is amazing. But is it worth giving up how solid gw can be
Maybe growing maverick into a more midrange shell is the way to take it. GW and pun versions have the tools to fight its just finding the correct card combinations to get there. I will beg to differ with you Mr. Koby maverick is not dead, its just lacking the people determined to bring it back to the forefront because sometimes its easier to switch decks than make the effort to keep up with a changing format...
Played Punishing Maverick again after Miracles(im one of them :frown:) died in our meta because of Jund, BUG and Goblins. Was able to top 8 in a tournament with 92 participants last Sunday.
Match-ups:
Round 1: Bye
Round 2: UG 12 Post(2-0)
Round 3: Merfolk(2-1 Punishing fire rules!)
Round 4: Junk(2-0 Punishing fire rules!)
Round 5: Sneak Show(1-2)
Round 6: ANT(2-1)
Round 7: ID with Jund
Quarterfinals: Lost to BUG because of 3 Abrupt decays(the other one still waiting on the top of his library) for 3 KoTR's in a row :cry: If only I had the chance to fetch a Grove using Knight, it would be a different story.
I might add a Sylvan Safekeeper and LftL in the main to improve the Storm and BUG match-ups. Instant speed protection is really needed(im looking at you Mother!) in a world of abrupt decay. During my ANT match-up, he was able to kill two of my Hatebears(Teeg, Canonist) because of a GSZ sitting in my hand that could have fetch(after Teeg died) S.S.
Here is the list:
CREATURES
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
3 Noble Hierarch
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Birds of Paradise
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Thrun the last troll
1 Stoneforge Mystic
SPELLS
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Punishing Fire
1 Sylvan Library
4 Green Sun’s Zenith
2 Umezawa’s Jitte
1 Sword of Feast and Famine
PLANESWALKERS
1 Elspeth Knight Errant
LANDS
4 Windswept Heath
3 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Wasteland
2 Wooded Foothills
2 Savannah
2 Taiga
1 Arid Mesa
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Forest
1 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
1 Plateau
1 Plains
SIDEBOARD
3 Pyroblast
3 Path to Exile
3 Surgical Extraction
3 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Choke
1 Ancient Grudge
Honestly, while maverick isn't that well positioned (merely okay), it's definitely much more playable now than it was 3 months ago when Miracles was what EVERYONE wanted to play, last I checked, it has game against BUG/Jund and builds packing stoneforge mystic rofl stomp goblins.Quote:
Originally Posted by Koby
If you have access to other options though, would probably play them before maverick to be frank.
Edit: egregious error, I r dumb.
Thats the attitude!? I'm pretty sure anyone who thinks the deck is just full on green and white mongo's has this attitude. Maverick isnt for everyone. Playing the deck has always been a challenge. You dont have cards like Brainstorm and FOW to help make up for misplays. The deck isnt forgiving and I for one make it my first option everytime.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds
Genuine discussion on how to make this deck adapatable to the changing meta is whats going to get the few people still interested in playing this archtype to the top of the standings. Picking something easier, well, guess my mom taught me not to run to something easier when things get hard. The grass isnt always greener on the other side, its green where you water it...
Don't believe the hype, Maverick is not dead. Our worst match-up (of the tier1-decks) U/W Miracles is being driven out of the meta by Team America and Jund, both being pretty good matchups for us. I played two tournaments at my LGS this year going 3-0-1 and 3-1. The meta is competitive and turnout was ~30 people both times.
My loss was to Elves which continues to be the absolutely worst matchup, at least for me. The draw was against U/W Blade with Geists and was a misplay on my part. I faced U/R Delver, Team America, Maverick, Esperblade and Goblins the other games. I will try Punishing Fires to see if it improves some of the difficult matches. I expect it will be easier beating Elves and Blade but other than that it might worsen our game against mana denial-decks like BUG/RUG. Also, it does nothing against ANT/TES or Omnitell.
If Jund and Blade are the top dogs, Maverick will be very well positioned in 2013.
What's your 60 look like ? I've switched over to bant. Giest has been great , but I do like straight gw.Quote:
Originally Posted by allek
I play a fairly standard list with 22 Lands + Arbor, 2 Sylvans, 2 Jitte, 4 STP and 4 GSZ.Quote:
Originally Posted by kingsey
26 Creatures which includes Sylvan Safekeeper and 2 Phyrexian Revoker. Been very happy with them. Sometimes I play 2 Elspeth but I switched to 1 Captain Sisay (for card advantage in mirrors) and 1 Rafiq to be able to win in a more comboesque manner.
Hell no! Maverick (at least in my testing) has crushed all the "tier" decks (Jund, BUG, Junk and Stoneblade), and since Combo decks are poking their heads out with the lack of counterbalances, now is the time for the GW hatebears to come out of the woods!Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Mcdonalds
That said, here's my list for Punishing Mav:
Spells (15)
4 Green Sun's Zenith
4 Swords to Plowshares
3 Punishing Fire
2 Sylvan Library
2 Umezawa's Jitte
Creatures (21)
4 Knight of the Reliquary
4 Mother of Runes
2 Noble Hierarch
2 Birds of Paradise
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Mirran Crusader
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Gaddock Teeg
Lands (23 + Arbor)
4 Grove of the Burnwillows
3 Wooded Foothills
3 Windswept Heath
3 Savannah
3 Wasteland
1 Forest
1 Plains
1 Mountain
1 Maze of Ith
1 Dryad Arbor
1 Karakas
1 Gaea's Cradle
1 Taiga
SB: 4 Thalia, Guardian of Thraben
SB: 3 Aven Mindcensor
SB: 2 Linvala, Keeper of Silence
SB: 2 Armageddon
SB: 1 Life From the Loam
SB: 1 Gaddock Teeg
SB: 1 Bojuka Bog
SB: 1 Ulvenwald Tracker
Notes on the deck:
-BoP's are better in the red splash (imo) since Fires are easier to hurl. Plus they can be wastelanded, and are easier to protect
-The main deck is notably light on combo hate. I believe that Thalia and Punishing Fire are not best friends, even with all of our ramp.
-Tracker comes in against anything with casted creatures as a wincon. With all our protection dorks, Tracker is almost guaranteed to stick--and it's a nice twist when you Zenith @1 and you drop a removal bomb.
-Crusader's nuts right now, and Linvala from the board makes DRS look dumb.
Thouhgts/input are appreciated!
I like the list, but Maverick is not favoured against Junk :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
-Matt
I beg to differ! But it could be wildly dependent on the pilots.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
Also the sideboard selections. Without Deed, it gets worse.
-Matt
This is precisely why I'm adding that to my Junk sideboard.Quote:
Originally Posted by sdematt
I also think Mav can simply outclass Junk with protection and an incredible threat density. Tarmogoyf's well and scary... until he bounces off moms. Crusader also, as i stated earlier, is the fucking nuts.
True, until I plow him or his MoM until he submits :PQuote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
-Matt
Have testing the Punishing Fire Maverick but keep losing for Wastelands, so i test a GW list and beat some tier decks like Miracles, BUG, Junk i don't know if the peoples that i play are bad players or not, but i am very glad with the results:
Lands 23
4 Windswept Heath
3 Misty Rainforest
4 Savannah
4 Wasteland
3 Forest
1 Plains
2 Horizon Canopy
1 Karakas
1 Maze of Ith
Creatures 22
4 Noble Hierarch
4 Knight of the Reliquary
3 Mother of Runes
2 Qasali Pridemage
2 Scavenging Ooze
2 Stoneforge Mystic
1 Scryb Ranger
1 Sylvan Safekeeper
1 Thrun, the Last Troll
1 Gaddock Teeg
1 Dryad Arbor
Sorcery 5
4 Green Sun's Zenith
1 Life from the Loam
Enchantment 1
1 Sylvan Library
Artifact 3
1 Sword of Fire and Ice
1 Sword of Light and Shadow
1 Umezawa's Jitte
Planeswalker 2
1 Elspeth, Knight Errant
1 Garruk, Primal Hunter
Sideboard 15
1 Umezawa's Jitte
1 Crop Rotation
1 Bojuka Bog
1 Karakas
3 Oblivion Ring
3 Ethersworn Canonist
2 Gaddock Teeg
3 Surgical Extraction
I don't know about you guys but in my games the Thalia wasn't doing anything so i cut it from my list and does'nt miss it at all, and with Thalia i cut to, Cavern of Souls.
The Loam is so cool free win against some decks.
The Garruk, Primal Hunter are a good surprise, bring some faties to game and full my hands. The 5cc are not a big problem without Thalia, i never use his ultimate.
I love play a Thrun or Teeg with backup of the Karakas especialy versus miracles.
I never feel confortable about to cut Stoneforge Mystic from my list i don´t see how it is bad.
Play Safeeeper. Serious this guy rocks!
My sideboard are doing well multiple Gaddoks is all you want versus Miracles.
The only problem i see is combo and Show and Tell decks, sometimes all the Karakas, Oblivion Rings, Teegs and Canonists of the world can't save you...
I beg your pardon for some gramatical errors but write in other languages are a litlle hard...
I noticed Ulvenwald Tracker above in Barbed Blightings' list. This is a card that I have been thinking of alot lately for just the GW decks. With 0 testing at this point and the following being all theory I could see the little fella making a big splash. Much like RUG Delver players adding in the Grim Lavamancer to help combat the slew of advantage generating X/(2)or(1)'s running around he could do much the same. With a packed house of creatures using the fight mechanic may be very beneficial. Anyone have any experience with him they'd like to share?
Only that he's amazing in the creature matchups.
-Matt