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I'm not sure where the cuts should come from. I'm just not sure that having only 4 spot removal is going to be enough. The format is about to speed up which means stoneblade has to be leaner more efficient if it's going to keep up. Expect delver, dnt, elves, and storm to hit the ground running.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike1987
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Originally Posted by meat
If the meta becomes rife with BUG style decks, Esperblade with Souls/Tasigur will probably be the best positioned Stoneblade deck.Quote:
Originally Posted by L10
I think Blood Moon in UWr is a bit overrated against these decks. Most non-Delver BUG decks play some number of basics, not to mention Deathrite Shamans (and additionally Hierarchs in the Duke list), and I find BUG players respect the possibility of Blood Moon. The facts that you may have to hamper your own mana development to cast Moon and also can't cast it before turn 3 make it less effective. I still always play it in my UWr sideboard, but don't expect it to be great vs BUG.
I agree with this. You don't want too much spot removal MD because its dead in so many matchups G1 (I usually play like 4 Plow and 1 Vindicate main in Esperblade), and post board I'm more interested in sweepers or different types of spot removal such as Go for the Throat or Diabolic Edict rather than a card like Push.Quote:
Originally Posted by L10
Fatal Push probably fits better into the deathblade builds were black mana is more important than white. Blade control is more of UWx deck I'd say UW builds are just as capable as UWr/UWb.
I personally am very fond of Tasigur. Really think the Japanese are onto something there.
I agree, the card is nuts even if Karakas is in the format. The big issue that blade decks have had in the past is the lack of CA engines outside of value creatures and JTMS so it's very nice to basically have a 1 mana value creature. I don't really like TNN in the UWb versions. While good with equipment I think he just plays poorly with how the deck is trying to operate.Quote:
Originally Posted by Munchyman
I always thought about trying Tasigur, but obviously the reason people don't is because of Karakas. Do you think he's worth being in the deck even if Karakas is widely played? I just think it's a huge feel bad moment when you delve your whole graveyard away to just have it bounced or not even be able to play it.
It's a judgment call based on your own risk/reward analysis. It's worth it if the Tasigur is good vs. the rest of the field. The main contention against Tasigur is not only its Legendary type, but that it matches up poorly vs. Gurmag Angler, Reality Smasher, and Tombstalker. Against Eldrazi, sometimes you don't have the breathing room to abuse the card advantage that Tasigur creates. Against Gurmag Angler and Tombstalker decks, there is slightly more breathing room because you can prioritize your removal spells on them. So if there is a downturn on Eldrazi, Tasigur is pretty well positioned, especially against grindy 4c control decks. Typically, if I see my opponent jam basic Plains, Tasigur is the first card that gets tucked away by Brainstorm, so it's fine. You just SB him out on G2/G3.
This doesn't make any sense, none of the creatures in our deck line up well against any of those cards unless you're playing TNN in which case you can only really stall the Angler.Quote:
Originally Posted by L10
@MrFrowny_
Yeah, I think the big thing just comes down to having a plan postboard to deal with D&T and other decks that are running multiple Karakas. One of the best things about this deck is how customizable it is, if you don't like Tasigur cards like TNN/Mentor will work well too but they might require a few changes.
I have been on Gurmag Angler for a while now over Tasigur because of the number of DnT and Eldrazi in my meta, and only converted back to Tasigur on Monday.
Given a list like this:
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=21918&iddeck=168586
how will you guys board against aluren and food chain?
I will be bringing in meddling mage, disenchants, needle, extraction against aluren but i am not sure what to board out.
I haven't gotten a chance to play out these matchups in our brave new world but at first glance I think I would board a little like this.Quote:
Originally Posted by mike1987
-4 Swords to Plowshares
-1 Council's Judgement (Maybe?)
-2 Baleful Strix
+2 Disenchant
+1 Ethersworn Canonist
+1 Pithing Needle
+1 Supreme Verdict (Maybe?)
+1 Duress (I think this is more likely against Aluren than Food Chain as you have 2 discard spells that can't really get rid of Aluren).
I don't like swords in the matchup, minus DRS none of their creatures are really that great and against Food Chain swords does actual nothing. Judgement just seems really slow especially since the only cards that you are really going to hit with it are the same ones that disenchant hits. It's a little unfortunate but I think you're kind of forced to keep in Force against these styles of decks as their Combo Pieces are way too backbreaking to let resolve. Imo the best approach is to go down the TNN Aggro Plan.
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Thinking about it I realized that i'm a moron and forgot about Leovold. I'd change my plan to -2 Swords to Plowshares, -1 Jace, the Mind Sculptor so atleast you have a few more outs to that card.
Also if you're not playing Prelate in your blade deck you are doing something wrong. That card is very very good.
Spell Queller seems a lot better, tbh. Prelate is symmetrical and WW.Quote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
WW isn't that hard to get with this deck... I don't know how Spell Queller seems better, prelate can down on 2 stopping both loam and punishing fire, 4 or 2 in the storm matchup stopping their bounce or kill spells and 4 or 3 in the Aluren/Food Chain matchups to stop their combo pieces.Quote:
Originally Posted by btm10
Prelate may be symmetric but he's not really, if you have him in your hand you always empty your hand of whatever he's coming down on before hand.
I would only run Prelate in my sideboard as a 1 of against combo decks, those are the only decks I would reasonably bring Prelate in.Quote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
I could see 1 Prelate and 1 Kambal.
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Maybe? Kambal seems better.Quote:
Originally Posted by Secretly.A.Bee
Or you can just Spell Queller Punishing Fire. I'm not sure of your exact list, but I'm playing 15 1 CMC spells plus 3 Snapcaster Mages. Are you playing it to name 2 against Decay decks, which turns off Counterspell and hardcasting Jitte? I'm very skeptical of that approach. BUG decks are better midrange decks and D&T is the better Stoneforge Mystic deck. If Blade decks are going to exist, they can't be so creature-light that the equipment often does nothing, but the creatures need to fit with what the deck is doing. Spell Queller does that. Sanctum Prelate doesn't.Quote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
I agree 100% with Prelate. It does a lot.Quote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
This board really makes me weep for legacy honestly.Quote:
Originally Posted by btm10
My point is that Spell Queller doesn't stop multiple punishing fires/life from the loams and can easily be double fired and nothing is accomplished. Queller may be better for fair matchups since he's both evasive and negates a removal spell but we already have tools for fair matchups without playing janky creatures. Prelate isn't for fair matchups, he's entirely for unfair matchups. The only fair matchup where I can see bringing him in for is maybe Shardless and then you're snap putting him on 0 each time.
This guy gets it.Quote:
Originally Posted by MrFrowny_
Kambal seems like a pretty decent idea as well.
Aside from unfair decks, Prelate has been ace vs. Aggro Loam @2 and UR Prowess @1. Obviously, against fair decks, it requires a bit more setup before committing, but Prelate is worth bringing against both decks.
So you're eschewing 1-mana interaction to run a 3-drop... against combo and Lands/Loam? If you're concerned specifically about Loam and Punishing Fire, graveyard hate is the correct approach, not playing symmetrical lock pieces that can be beaten with Barbarian Ring or Cabal Pit. And if they're spending five mana and two spells to get back one of their engines doesn't that play into your gameplan of making opponents waste their turns by countering their spells and make your other interaction like Wasteland better?Quote:
Originally Posted by CptHaddock
At least you can continue to use 1-mana spells in the Lands/Loam matchup. If you bring it in against any combo deck, it's either 3 mana Meddling Mage that doesn't pitch to Force or it's Chalice on 1, which turns off all of your cantrips and your best interactive spells. The card simply doesn't work in a blue control deck.