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Hopefully we get some cool spoilers soon so we can get some discussion going in the thread, the latest year of releases haven given the deck alot depth to it. Evolving the deck might happend fast with the next set it doesnt have to be mu cu for it to be very strong just look at deathrit shaman he looks so innocent but he has pretty much kicked noble heirarch down from the top spot of beigh a mqna dork.
hey everyone. im currently in the process of building this deck and wanted to get some advice on the current list im putting together.
lands
4 scrublands
4 marsh flats
3 verdant catacombs
2 swamp
2 plains
1 bayou
1 godless shrine
3 wasteland
creatures
2 deathrite shaman
3 mother of runes
3 mirran crusaders
4 dark confidant
4 tidehollow sculler
4 stoneforge mystic
instants/sorcery
2 cabal therapy
4 inquisition of kozileck
1 duress
3 lingering souls
4 swords to plowshares
3 vindicate
artifacts
batterskull
jitte
sword of war and peace (based on my meta)
constructive criticism towards the lsit is always appreciated and def some help building a sideboard would be wonderful. anybody have any feelings on abrupt decay being in the SB for this list ?
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Originally Posted by raikenxy
Cut a plains, add a swamp/wasteland/bayou. Itīs the worst card to draw, one is sufficient to play around wastelands. Exchanging Vindicates with O-rings proves to be very helpfull against show and tellish matchups. Since Sinkhole isnīt very viable anymore, the ability to shoot lands is often quite obsolete. Iīd prefer a third Cabal Therapy over the Duress, but I guess thatīs just a minor point. Neither do I like Mirran Crusader due to its Double W Manacost nor do I like Tidehollow Sculler in vialless builds. Also, I was a fan of Mother of Runes as well and did defend her rigorously here, but in the end she wasnīt as neat as I thought. My two Cents. Looks like a solid build over all.
Deathrite Shaman is really insane atm. Fixes mana draws removal clears gy gain life and adds reach to the reachless as wel as blocks lackeys and smashes face for 1! A onedropp many waited for. Should really try as a 4 of.
Cant preach cabal therapy enought its just the best one mana discard spell there is, it takes alot of practis and research against the format but it will greatly reward the player that does goes the extra mile.
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Originally Posted by Rizso
i'm a pretty avid dredge player so i like to think im pretyt good with cabal therapy haha. i think im cutting the duress and just making therapy a three of. i like deathrite shaman, but i only have two and just for some reason can't pull the trigger on cutting mom or not. i do like how deathrite makes casting crusader easier tho as im still undecided on hero of bladehold. im tempted now though to cut the sword of war and peace and make it sword of light and shadow, seeing as it works well with therapy. and should i put the vindicates in the sideboard and maindeck o-ring ?
Went 3-1-2 today. Made top 8 undefeated only to lose to in the top 8. Boo-urns.
Round 1. BUG, no wastelands. Not the tempo version ....it had Natural Order for Progenitus, Jace the Mind Sculptor. Won 2-1. Lost game 1 since I couldn't kill Jace.....the Natural Order for Progenitus finished me. Game 2, I inquisitioned away his Deathrite Shaman....he kept a 1 lander. So greedy. lol. Game 3. Inquisition and Therapy destroyed his hand.
Round 2. Junk. Won 2-1 i think. Highlight was Game 3. He was on the play....played a land and passed. I play a land and cast Cabal Therapy naming Dark Confidant....he reveals 2 and the other non-land card was Pridemage. Shriekmaw was good in this matchup...mostly killing Tarmogoyf and hardcasted a Shriekmaw to kill Knight of the Reliquary.
Round 3. RUG Tempo..Canadian Threshold. Game 1 was quick since I had 3 wastelands in a row and he had no turn 1 dude. Game 2, rest in peace. gg. Well, that and 6 tokens and a Jitte.
Round 4 and 5 ID.
Round 6. lost 2-0 to BUG tempo. Daze back to back on my Hero of Bladeholds sucked for me. Hymn to Tourach was devastating too.
Notes:
23 players today.....I swear half the decks in the meta today had Deathrite Shaman in them. Also noticing that some decks either cut down on Force of Will or don't even bother. Which is bad for us.
-I only saw a few combo decks....one High Tide, One ANT, and one Food Chain.
-RUG and BUG were everywhere.
-No show and tell which is surprising since we usually have at least 2 players every time.
-No Miracles either, which is interesting since again there's usually a few people playing that deck.
-Hymn is so annoying. Thinking of crap to board in to deal if the Hymn/Liliana trend continues. Any suggestions? Wilt-Leaf Liege seems good. Unfortunately I don't have any and they are hard to find because of crappy Modern.
-When Hero resolved she was great. In one game even though she only swung once, she made 2 dudes for me.
-because of the meta the way it was.....My anti-combo hate was useless, I also never boarded in Zealous Persecution. It was mostly Engineered Explosives and Rest in Peace.
-Shriekmaw was good today. Mostly a crappy 2 mana terror but if it resolves it can buy time vs. a tempo deck. Was able to hard cast it twice.
-Therapy was awesome taking 2 Bobs blind and a Lightning bolt blind against RUG.
Have not tried but....Mirran Crusader seems awesome against BUG. Play around Daze if you haven't seen your opponent's hand (which you should have). Other than daze, Jace is their only real way to deal with Crusader..
Unfortunately Crusader sucks against RUG, the other rampant deck at tournaments. Maybe he should be in the sideboard or some sort of mainboard/sideboard split would work.
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Originally Posted by fetterfool
Normally, I would try and play around Daze....but I couldn't. He had an active Liliana and I was down to top deck mode....so it's either Cast Hero and risk it getting countered or hold onto Hero and let it get discarded.
Crusader as a sideboard for BUG is an interesting option. The only creature that could block it is Delver so Crusader is essentially unblockable. Liliana is the only way they could really kill it. And as you said, while Crusader would be the bomb against BUG, against RUG....not so much.
Sure, they can burn it. Doesn't take away the fact that Crusader makes RUG's creature base his bitch. Delvers die and Mongoose & Goyf can be blocked all day long while they can't block Crusader. Having a Mom to protect him from burn certainly helps, though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wilkin
I have played 3 Mirran Crusaders for a long time an various tournaments. I aggree, that he is a good choice against alot of decks, but only paired with Mother of Runes. I recently swapped him out in favour of Hero of Bladehold. Hero is a beast. Really. Its the best clock one could imagine in this kind of deck. Try him out!
For reference, this is my list (i know, my manabase is not perfect at all...):
Artifact
1 Batterskull
1 Sword of War and Peace
1 Umezawa's Jitte
Creature
4 Dark Confidant
3 Deathrite Shaman
2 Hero of Bladehold
4 Mother of Runes
4 Stoneforge Mystic
Land
2 Isolated Chapel
1 Karakas
4 Marsh Flats
2 Plains
1 Savannah
2 Scrubland
5 Swamp
3 Wasteland
2 Windswept Heath
Instant
4 Swords to Plowshares
Planeswalker
2 Liliana of the Veil
Sorcery
1 Duress
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Hymn to Tourach
4 Lingering Souls
2 Vindicate
Spoiler season is ongoing. Maybe we will get some goodies. The Orzhov cards has been pretty sweet so far but on the higher curve where legacy is a bit to fast and wasteland vulnerable.
The angel is interesting but nothing even remotely legacy playable imo.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rizso
The 6 mana thrull has a decent recursion ability but six mana is too much.
Alms Beast is terrible. It doesn't beat out Hero of Bladehold or Elspeth Knight-Errant. Heck, I think Persecutor is still better than the beast.
The new Ghost Council is too much at 5 mana but I'm sure it will see standard play....and in limited it's an uber bomb.
The High Priest isn't really playable...I lol'ed when someone posted that an active Jitte is good on this guy. lol, pretty much any creature is good with an active Jitte.
So far I'm kind of meh over the set. Still, there are a ton of cards to spoil as I heard that there won't be basic lands in this set. So just under 200 cards to go....Maybe the hybrid black/white card will be good. Still crossing my fingers that the Cozen (sp) make an appearance as a 187 creature. A good one. lol.
Alms beast is awesome, just not for legacy :P
The high priest does work great with the either sword of light and shadows and sword of fire and ice.
Oh for sure, any sword on him is great, especially SOFI. I just feel that since he needs some sort of equipment (IMO) to really work, it's not worth it. In my games, my equipment usually don't last long so that priest would essentially be a smaller version of Phyrexian Obliterator. In other words, I can't always rely on equipment sticking around long enough for him to really shine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Rizso
Some people have mentioned he would be good in a Death and Taxes style deck that has black for him and bob. Sounds good. But not my style of deck since that is a really grindy deck. Deadguy Ale isn't a fast deck at all, I can't play a deck slower than that. lol.
Happy New Years all.
First time poster here. Just built this deck with my over-time holiday bonus / trade ins. What do you think of my list? Any suggestions?
Also, I've begun to call this deck Deathrite Ale. Cards too good.
Lands
3 Scrubland
1 Bayou
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Marsh Flats
1 Karakas
1 Urborg, Tomb of Yawgmoth
4 Wasteland
3 Swamp
1 Plains
Artifacts
1 Batterskull
1 Umezawa's Jitte
3 Sensei's Divining Top
Enchantments
3 Bitterblossom
Instants
4 Swords to Plowshares
1 Zealous Persecution
Sorceries
4 Lingering Souls
3 Cabal Therapy
2 Vindicate
3 Thoughtsieze
Creatures
4 Dark Confidant
3 Stoneforge Mystic
4 Deathrite Shaman
Planeswalkers
2 Sorin, Lord of Innistrad
Any tips appreciated. :)
^ Guess I should have included my sideboard
Sideboard
Duress 4
Karakas 1
Umezawa's Jitte 1
Sword of Fire and Ice 1
Extirpate 3
Zealous Persecution 2
Rest in Peace 2
Vindicate 1
Dont you miss not playing Liliana? She has been fantastic for me.
Turn one Deathrite, turn two Liliana is one of the scariest sequence of plays we can make. I'm actually playing 4 Deathrite and 2 Mox right now to increase the chance of dropping her on the second turn. She is an automatic 4-of in my Deadguy list for the foreseeable future.
@Kpicco. With Maverick on the decline, I would say definitely put your Z. Persecution in the sb. I'd also drop the Tops to make room for 4 Liliana.
With counterspell on its way down it might be time to adopt the blade splicer and restoration angel with maybe a or 2 cavern of souls.
If counterspells are on there way down why play the caverns?