Yes. I would probably hold the discard spell (depending on the match-up) until I found business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alix444
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Yes. I would probably hold the discard spell (depending on the match-up) until I found business.Quote:
Originally Posted by Alix444
I strongly disagree with the idea to use Ponder for finding TWO cards and I made this clear in the TES FB group. With this hand you're either pushing all-in by going for a Tutor with a turn 1 Ponder or, if you know that you are playing against a counter in hand (game 2 or 3), you slowroll with your Ponder till you find more business and/or protection naturally so you know what to look for with the PonderQuote:
Originally Posted by Alix444
Since chalice game 1 is a thing I wondered if you considered meltdown in the sideboard. It hits quite a few things apart from chalice (canonist comes to mind) and has the nice variable casting cost/sweeping thing.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
My only concern is that it might be too clunky to be really useful.
It's not really a thing. Cannonist is answered by Void Snare/Pyroclasm/Massacre. If you happpen to see a Chalice on game one, accept your loss or try to make Goblins through it and then shuffle up for game two. It's not something common enough to warrant sideboard space.Quote:
Originally Posted by Reagens
Maybe the Southern Ontario metagame is just really weird, but I see more game one Chalice decks than Death & Taxes by far.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
I build my lists for large events, not local metagames.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefringthing
GP Lille T16 + SCG DC T16: 6% Death & Taxes, 6% Aggro Loam (usually plays Chalice main)Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
SCG DC Day 2: 5% Death & Taxes, 4% MUD (plays Chalice main)
MTGGoldFish has Merfolk (often plays Chalice main nowadays) and MUD listed ahead of Death & Taxes. (Not sure where their stats come from; looks like mostly MTGO plus some smaller events.)
It seems to me that maindeck Chalice is at least neck and neck with Death & Taxes, and plausibly more common anywhere that both MUD and Aggro Loam people show up.
This also appeared in my metagame analysis made this week. The upcoming article will adress the matter, but I have some issues at work which delayed itQuote:
Originally Posted by thefringthing
What would you suggest?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
T1. Delta, go.
T2. See what you draw, then play Sea into Ponder, proceed from there?
Are you suggesting we change our deck for 6% of the metagame? Seems ridiculous. Win the die roll or have the opposite accelerants that Chalice is shutting off before making Goblins, if neither is an option, shuffle up for game two. You can't beat everything game one, for instance, ANT can't beat a MD Gaddock Teeg. Get over it and concentrate on the next two.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefringthing
Isn't that exactly what running two Dread of Night in the sideboard is?Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
Look at top 8 results, do you see Chalice decks in there? Because I don't. If you took pure numbers of Death & Taxes players that enter a room compared to MUD players, I would be shocked if they were even. Death & Taxes is more likely to top 8 an event, which is why I'm more prepared for it. If you would like to run something else there for your metagame, be my guest, but I don't think running Meltdown, Shattering Spree or Pulverize is going to honestly help you there at all.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefringthing
More like: "delta, go" and just see IF you need protection at all (which is not the case if your opponents opens with Forest->NettleSentinel or Plains->Vial) and IF you draw into Protection/Tutor/AN/EtW naturally without exposing yourself to wastelandQuote:
Originally Posted by Asthereal
Even if you play Meltdown it's incredibly slow, you have to cast it for 2 mana at which point you've passed two turns without the opponent destroying your Volcanic Island. I wouldn't even play Massacre unless it was free, and Void Snare gets boarded in more often than not.
As an aside, I haven't been that impressed by SBing in 2 Thoughtseize, I think the 1 Pyroblast is better just for Meddling Mage.
I share the pain of fighting Calice of the Void and Ethersworn Canonist all the time.
You're not left with many options. I tried Shattering Spree, the card itself doesn't do enough, thought about Echoing Truth to clear the Chalice @1 & @0 lock, against which you simply can't win the game except with a G0 Tendrils, because they will clear your Goblins anyway. Couldn't set my mind on Meltdown.
Some people here had some trouble understanding how it's impossible to win against this hard hate without a non-1cmc card. Void Snare, Chain of Vapor, nothing goes pass Chalice of the Void. I totally understand why you would choose a very slow option that at least gives you an otherwise absent chance at winning. Others will say you should win before Chalice is played, or that the decks you play against are just unfair and ''not real meta decks''. Like we could choose our opening hand to always go by turn 0, or what we play against.
However, after wasting way too much of my time thinking about these artifacts, I ended picking up some wisdom found here and the Facebook page: just accept your loss and move on. Win the other matches. If 100% of the decks you face have Chalice of the Void, play something else.
The sideboard cards won't change that much, really. Your chances will go from 0% to like, at best, 30%, because even without Canonist or Chalice, you still have Thalia, Gaddock, etc. It's a huge boost, but it's not enough. Focus on the other decks you struggle with and turn a 40% win ratio into a 60% one if you can, that is much more worth your time.
P.S. I still have a place for a Shattering Spree singleton, but even then, I wouldn't know if it's really worth.
It's also a question of old vs new, as TES decreases the number of Chrome Mox and changes the storm engines it becomes more vulnerable to prison archetypes, so in small meta games where low entry cost decks are popular you need to look at the older, faster versions of the deck because that speed is what gave TES the edge in those match ups (3 Chrome Mox, Diminishing Returns etc). The other option is to think about how you can change the strategy of your deck thru' SBing, something as simple as SBing in 2 more Empty the Warrens can attack these decks from an angle they're not prepared to deal with.
You don't want to get into the "answer the problem" mentality with Storm, but the "avoid the problem" mentality.
DimRet is no option if you give your opponent a turn. I really like the additional EtWs though. Pretty solid against Miracles and Tempo for going the low Investment dumb aggro RouteQuote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
TES Mailbox is back: http://www.theepicstorm.com/tes-mailbox-4/
Good read. I can't believe people are so pissy they complain about you seeking help to replace a signed card. That's like if Mozart visited Beethoven and busted his deaf-man's piano up, Beethoven asks for a replacement, Mozart replies "Schadenfreude, sucker!" then prances away, all the while people complaining because Beethoven should be happy with a regular piano.
Just a heads up, just before the fuckwad quote you want its rather than it's.
You really do a great job, I would probably argue that TES has the most accessible and up to date information of any other deck in Legacy.
EDIT: metaphor adjusted because I learned more of what happened
DimRet is fine vs prison (D&T) on the turns where Goblins are no longer an assured win or the games where the opponent has boarded in sweepers. Sometimes it's your only possible route to victory, low mana, low storm count, no hand or no graveyard etc. It's the Hail Mary of Storm.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
Older versions of the deck aren't without their merrits, despite the rise of Islands
There are still natural Tendrils or PIF or flashbacked Therapies left as options to evade the need for DimRet.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
I've played against D&T a lot post-board, naturally Storming vs their clock isn't really an option; honestly I just don't think you like the card?Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
You named three scenarios: D&T, Goblins no longer an option and boarded in sweepers. As i rarely see sweepers from D&T and the limited number of cases with Goblins not an option in mind, i see no appeal in a hail mary play against a limited number of decks and even a lesser amount of situations. Same goes with a lot of other old and cut cards.Quote:
Originally Posted by Final Fortune
I dunno if natural storming is completely off the list with Dread of Night + CoV.
It kind of is with Revoker, Port & Wasteland.Quote:
Originally Posted by Lemnear
That said, I don't consider Diminishing Returns to be an option with today's lists. They're just not built for it anymore.
New article is up:
http://www.theepicstorm.com/tes-vs-ant/
Great article. I was testing Island this weekend in a turney and I was expecting more wasteland, but it never came up a single time in 7 rounds. Maybe I was lucky with the decks I faced, but I agree with the analysis.
Thanks, it just isn't needed with how little we actually need it in post-board games.Quote:
Originally Posted by arj
I see you changed the sideboard, I like the change. Is there a place where you go through what to sideboard in each match?
The homepage of the website: http://www.theepicstorm.com/#matchupanalysis
I don't know if this is the ideal forum for this suggestion, but a version of the TES site that looked more like this would make me very happy. I may just have atypical web design tastes, though.
Step 1, use Firefox.Quote:
Originally Posted by thefringthing
Step 2, click View->Page Style->No Style
Step 3, boring ass text and images.
Thanks Byrant for keeping it 2015!
My thoughts on the B&R Announcement and their effects on storm: http://www.theepicstorm.com/septembe...-announcement/
@Byrant
I think you are overstating the impact of DRS in the Shardless/ANT Match-up. With two extra mana you just tutor chain so that you have another tutor. DRS doesn't stop cantrip chain wins, natural storm or double ToA lines. Sure discard + DRS is a house against 1 ToA 1 PiF lists but there aren't many of those floating around. TES is hurt more by no DRS Hymm openings than ANT is. So before anyone gets defensive about it I will clarify in saying that DRS+Discard hurts ANT more, but in general Hymm hurts TES more since TES can't effectively use the GY as a resource which results in ANT and TES having pretty similar G1's against shardless.
My name is Bryant.
Also, I mentioned that resolved Hymn to Tourachs are painful, same with Liliana. Try reading the article please. Not to mention, every time I read "Just Tutor for another Tutor" I laugh a little as players always have so much god damn mana at their expense against a deck with Thoughtseize, Hymn to Tourach and Liliana with possible Abrupt Decays killing Lion's Eye Diamonds – which is why I said it's better to be fast in this match-up and win before their cards come online.
My name is Zach.Quote:
Originally Posted by Bryant Cook
Amen! Not to mention how hard it is sometimes just to get enough spare mana for the first tutor. Especially when you get paired against some jackass Infect player who topdecks spell pierces the turn after getting his only Flusterstorm duressed (or whatever actually happened when I lucksacked my way to a win in DC) :tongue:
Tutor chaining beats discard like finishing my dinner helps the starving kids in Africa.
@ Bryant
I'll keep it simple.
1. I made a typo.
2. I did read your whole article.
3. Having 9 mana isn't that crazy. And even conceding that it is, it still accounts for one of the many ways to win around a DRS. So why don't you address another one? That is if you aren't laughing so hard.
4. It doesn't take a rocket surgeon to realize that it's easier to win before your opponent plays magic, but you can't just discount ANT's ability to play around DRS.
5. ANT can spit out goblins too.
The sad thing is that you are so insecure that you instantly get defensive. All I said was you are overstating the impact DRS has against ANT, a deck you don't even play, and you are reacting like I am calling you a mindless idiot.