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The know and tell guy had the kill in his hand G1. Thalia and Port won that game a more conventional goblins build would not have.Quote:
Originally Posted by Steamflogger
@jrw1985: Thanks for the match writeup. Some thoughts:
1. In round 2 vs Know-tell, did you keenly feel the need for Pyroblast? Going forward are you going to make space in your SB for it?
omg. Saw 2 games so far played by Kenny Dungar. I want to cry. Should I continue watching it?
Edit: yeah, someone should have stopped me...
I only saw the one when he played Show and Tell...where are the others?
Both matches are in the same stream I linked to above.Quote:
Originally Posted by namrufmot
Hey all,
Been somewhat of a lurker here, but I'm piloting Gobs for the first time this Saturday at the Northeast Legacy Championship (NELC) in upstate New York. I've been a committed Death& Taxes pilot for about a year now, but I'm looking for a bit of a vacation with another perennial mono-colored vial deck.
This is my list (welcome to criticism):
12 Mountain
4 Wasteland
4 Cavern of Souls
2 Rishadan Port
4 Goblin Warchief
4 Goblin Ringleader
4 Gempalm Incinerator
4 Goblin Matron
4 Goblin Lackey
4 Ęther Vial
3 Goblin Piledriver
3 Stingscourger
2 Mogg War Marshal
2 Goblin Chieftain
1 Siege-Gang Commander
1 Krenko, Mob Boss
1 Skirk Prospector
1 Goblin Sharpshooter
Sideboard
SB: 4 Chalice of the Void
SB: 3 Pyroblast
SB: 2 Surgical Extraction
SB: 2 Pithing Needle
SB: 2 Pyrokinesis
SB: 2 Faerie Macabre
I've been trying to keep up with recent posts/developments, so I'll keep the noobish questions to a minimum:
Is Pithing Needle considered the go-to artifact hate currently, and if so, why is TukTuk bad?
In terms of yard hate, is surgical any good? I've noticed comments (specifically in relation to the Dungar match v. Know&Tell) that Surgical is bad. If so why, or why not?
Finally, what is typically the plan for combo matchups--such as Storm, Belcher or even Show&Tell decks? Are chalices relevant in these matches, and what other matches are they used for?
Thanks!
I loathe Chalice with all of my being...
- A dedicated storm player
I don't know why people criticize the inclusion of Surgical against the Rector Show and tell deck.
Surgical stops the Rector from triggering and finding an enchantment. And if they go for intuition or you REB a show and tell, you can grab those too.
I think the commentators were so focused on how weak the extractions are against the previous match up, that they failed to realize how good they actually are against rector.
That being said, I wonder if Surgical isn't a bit too narrow. It can sometimes steal games, but in many match ups or situations it can be dead.
I run the same MD as you butQuote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
- 1 Mountain.
- 1 Stingscourger.
- 1 Incinerator.
+ 1 Krenko.
+ 1 Chieftain.
+ 1 TukTuk.
I think you should include one MD Artifact Hate, TukTuk or Tinkerer. Tinkerer is cheaper but can be killed before it works (unless you have a haste lord on). Tuktuk is more expensive but instant, you can drop it by vial surprising the attacker with his equipment and it also deals 1 damage.
They are not amazing but they are not as bad. I would include 1 MD and 1 SB.
Ah, yes! I hadn't noticed that before. i was under the impression that the Rector's ability was triggered upon her going to the graveyard and that removing her and fetching an Enchantment were part of the resolution of the same ability. I didn't realize the fetch was contingent upon you her controler resolving the trigger and removing her from the game. So, yes, Surgical is actually a great card Rector Tell because they can't remove Rector to fetch Omniscience if you Surgical Rector first.Quote:
Originally Posted by that0neguy
Thanks for the tip.
I'm not sure if that works, but Surgical Extraction DOES take away Cabal Therapy, which is their only way (apart from Pernicious Deed) the get the Rector buried.Quote:
Originally Posted by jrw1985
If i'm not mistaking: as soon as Rector hits the graveyard, it can be removed from THE game. The player controlling Rector would have priority. Extraction would be to slow, right?
Rector has a triggered ability. That means both players have a chance to respond to it. Any card that remove him from the graveyard before the trigger resolves will fizzle it's effect.
Apart from Intuition, I've seen lists running Lim Dul's Vault too, so Surgical is quite nice.
Those commentators no nothing about goblins, or for what it's worth, legacy.
@chatto: Yes, the Rector controller will get priority first it Rector dies on his turn. Still, for the trigger to resolve, both players have to be giver priority. When he passes it to you, you can do your stuff.
[card]academy rector[/card]
When rector goes to the graveyard, it triggers, you respond to the trigger to remove her from the game (Even Crypt/Relic works as well).
Then the trigger says, if you remove her, then search. Since you can't remove her when the trigger resolves, you can't search.
Granted, I am not entirely sure that Kenny knew about the trick either, because he surgicaled the therapies, but I can't remember how many cards were in the show players hand (maybe he thought he could resolve extraction then and there, and would not have been able to do it later).
By the way, Brad Campbell has a pretty good writeup at MtG Salvation.
http://forums.mtgsalvation.com/showt...94190&page=211
It works. Rector dies and its graveyard trigger goes on the stack. Trigger says when Rector dies they MAY remove it from the game. If the do, they can enchantment fetch. But if you surgical rector in response to the gy trigger they never get to remove it, and they only get to enchantment fetch if THEY were the one that removed it from the game.Quote:
Originally Posted by GoboLord
Definitely a great read. I like his point about Krenko & Chieftain. Personally, I like Chief's buff as a means to make combat easier, rather than evading E Plague. And Krenko...well, he is stupid fun. Maybe winmore, but I'm down with that. I've always wanted to do a Kiki-Jiki build as well, but that's probably pushing it.Quote:
Originally Posted by L10
I definitely don't agree on his reasoning behind not running chieftain and not running Krenko.Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbed Blightning
Brad did a great write up, my only regret is that he didn't post it here :frown:
I refuse to get an account over at MTGSAL. I know I would nerd rage over every stupid post... (Source has stupid posts too, but they are fewer and easier to ignore)
I liked the way Brad supported his card choices. I agree with the changes he would make to his sideboard. It was helpful to see how he sideboarded in his matches.
I disagree with his assessment of Krenko and Chieftain but that is his personal taste. He didn't say they were bad, just that they weren't his style.
I owe my recent success to his list and would like extend a "thank you" to Brad for his report.
Thanks for the link! That was an excellent report by Mr Campbell. I really like that he's advocating the 23 land build. I've always been happier with 23 lands. I'm also liking TSH these days too. I can see why he wouldn't want to play Chieftain but his logic on Krenko is just odd. I don't think it is win-more at all. Not every board state where you have goblins on the board is a good one. A token, prospector, matron board is a weak board state and adding a Krenko to it makes it a hell of a lot better. When he untaps that's at least 4 more goblin tokens before you play an goblins for the turn. I'm not sure how you couldn't leverage tons of free creatures into a win. It's not like they cant block. I wonder why he thinks Krenko is bad against Delver. That doesn't make any sense either. If you land Krenko your plan is Gempalm Delver and make infy dudes. Pretty easy way to win if they can't race you with Delver.
Hello all!
I've been testing the match against Omnitell and found it extremely complicated.
He simply ignore the Stingscouger mostly time and not suffer for Pithing needle / Phyrexian revoker
In the version without Thalia and Guilded Drake (monored), which proves more useful sideboard against the deck?
The mana denial strategy + REB and race against time is the only way out?