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Probably a variation of the man plan. or for the troll value. have definitely played a Jace or two in my board to turn two one and troll my opponents. also you can probably play karn relatively easily.Quote:
Originally Posted by gregtron
IMO they are waste of space, but you do what you want a lot of the times with those last few spots.
I run 2 Thoughtseize, 2 duress, 3 IoK main deck. I dislike Gprobe + Therapy in ANT. Feels too gimicky.Quote:
Originally Posted by aaronm678
This is my current build, I'm pretty happy with it:
2 Thoughtseize
3 Inquisition of Kozilek
2 Duress
1 Tendrils of Agony
1 Past in Flames
2 Grim Tutor
4 Infernal Tutor
4 Ponder
3 Preordain
4 Cabal Ritual
4 Dark Ritual
1 Ad Nauseam
4 Brainstorm
1 Chain of Vapor
4 Lotus Petal
4 Lion's Eye Diamond
2 Underground Sea
1 Volcanic Island
2 Island
2 Swamp
4 Polluted Delta
1 Marsh Flats
2 Scalding Tarn
1 Bloodstained Mire
1 Misty Rainforest
//board
4 Dark Confidant
4 Xantid Swarm
1 Tropical Island
1 Empty The Warrens
2 Energy Flux
1 Chain of Vapor
1 Wipe Away
1 Slaughter Pact
IMO, IoK isn't bad, cause it hits Thalia.
I board out most of my discard and AN, for 4 Bobs + 4 xantid vs. Stoneblade/Blue decks.
Have you had trouble against Maverick? Your SB looks pretty weak if they ever land a dude (I usually like to have at least 5 bounce/removal, as it seems like postboard they just have infinite hate bears).Quote:
Originally Posted by TheRedBaron
Also -- do you think Xantid is worth the strain on the mana base? I found it helps a lot in the blue matchups I don't need specific sideboard cards for -- durdly blue decks like Stoneblade/Landstill/whatnot --but it's pretty bad in matchups that I really want some specific sideboard cards for (namely RUG). I ended up cutting them for additional discard spells, as those are good against RUG, and I've found myself boarding them in quite a few matchups (occasionally going to 10-11 discard spells, but often it's stuff like switching Duress for IoK against Maverick).
The list I'm currently playing:
Maindeck:
1x Ad Nauseam
1x Tendrils of agony
1x Past in flames
4x Gitaxian Probe
4x Duress
3x Cabal Therapy
4x Ponder
4x Brainstorm
4x Infernal tutor
3x Burning Wish
4x Lotus Petal
4x Lion's Eye Diamond
4x Dark Ritual
4x Cabal Ritual
2x Underground sea
1x Volcanic Island
1x Badlands
1x Swamp
1x Island
4x Polluted delta
3x Scalding Tarn
2x Bloodstained Mire
Sideboard:
1x Empty the warrens
1x Ill-gotten gains
1x Tendrils of Agony
1x Past in Flames
1x Meltdown
1x Pyroclasm
1x Virtue's Ruin
1x Deathmark
1x Cabal Therapy
2x Extirpate
1x Wipe away
3x Chain of Vapor
This list is awesome, it's really explosive, gitaxians + therapy is the start you'll always want, with a possible 2x1, and filling your graveyard so the cabal rituals have threshold. Inquisition is bad, just for the fact that it doesn't hit fow.. Thoughtseizes are good, but for the moment 4 duress + 3 therapy are enough (the 4th therapy is in the side for bw).
The side is very versatile thanks to the burning wish with game1 answers to maverick, affinity, and random cratures decks, and the toolbox for the combo.
Chain of vapor is the best bouncer, so 3 of them, and a wipe away for counterbalance.
I'm not sure about the extirpates, I'm starting to think that they don't fit in this deck..
So, I am going to be playing UB ANT at the StarCityGames 5K at Origins. Im just trying to decide between splashing red or not. It would be for 1x Past in Flames mainboard and 1x Empty the Warrens in the board. Is that reasonable enough or should it be strictly UB?\
Honestly, I've played with Past In Flames and a single Empty the Warrens without "splashing" anything. With 4 Lotus Petal and 4 LED, a single red mana is easy to come by. Now, that doesn't mean that I don't still play a single Volcanic Island, but that's more to give me a sense of security than because I've ever really found it necessary.
Do you guys prefer the 4 BW/3 IT, 1 IT side split or the 4 IT /3 BW? I am testing the former configuration after having played the latter for a long time. It opens up a few more lines and keeps the density the same in the main deck.
The AN line becomes a little worse (only 3 IT main).
I'v been trying 4 I.T. 3 B.W. main and 1Grim Tutor side.
Edit:
Sloshthedark,Having to B.W. for a Tutor is not always needed. I've found it's better to keep the main at its fastest.When going off with threshhold Cabal Rituals,LED and Dark Rituals the 3rd mana doesn't matter that much.
Don't get me wrong do what you wish this is just from my Exp.
Isn't 3IT 3BW 1GT // 1IT side better then? BW-> GT-> ? is really manaintensive (and nearly unplayable into PiF without other tutor)Quote:
Originally Posted by MTG Junkie
just responded to our very lackadaisical pm exchange. SO Sorry!Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
i should probably set up email notices.
I played an almost identical 75 today to a top 2 split at a local 5 round event (Stomping Grounds in Warminster, Pa, US).Quote:
Originally Posted by guillemnicolau
I had infest over Virtue's ruin, a second deathmark over a chain of vapor, and an echoing truth over the 2nd chain. My main was identical -1fetch +1 island.
This list is insane. IGG in the board won me a bunch of games where PiF wouldn't have. The Extirpate slots are awkward, I'm not really sure what I want them to be though.
I'm also do not have a good handle on sideboarding. Often I board out a ponder or probe or Petal if the game is going to drag out, or duress against the hate bear decks.
I think I started with a list like yours, but a friend of mine reminded me that drawing a land full of black spells and an island is the worst, so I changed an island for a fetch.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tammit67
I also think that the extirpates aren't good enough, but they are really needed for the reanimator matchup, without them it's too hard.
When sideboarding I also do it like this, against control I usually do:
-1 gitaxian
-1 therapy
-1 ponder
-1 petal
+2 chain of vapor
+2 wipe away (counterbalance has increased it's presence in my meta, so amb currently playing 2 wipes and 2 chains)
I can't see Extirpate not being good enough, it's one of my favorite cards in the board ever, I bring one in if I won G1 just to see their hate in every match-up, ruins other combo and is decent vs. Counterbalance/snap control
Can you see a Pithing Needle (possible 3-of?) as an universal SB answer to Griselbrand and SDT powered decks?
pithing needle doesn't awnser dredge nor does it truly stop reanimator, you also can't bring it in against the mirror to stop them from using pif.Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
obv I'm not suggesting using them instead of Extirpates...Quote:
Originally Posted by Rekk
sorry for the confusion then,Quote:
Originally Posted by Sloshthedark
in the grim tutor build it is a possibility, but as for the burning wish version i don't know were one would find room. as well as the concern of it not doing that much outside of stoping sneak attack and griss in one matchup and top in a less popular matchup.
Hey guys! On Sunday it's the gp trial for Ghent that will give a ticket and i'll attend with ANT probably.. i'd like your opinions about the list (UBW) i'm tesing lately.. the meta consists of many RUG and Mavericks and some UW and espers and others like reanimator and maybe a sneak ans dhow..
1 Ad nauseam
4 dark ritual
4 brainstorm
4 cabal ritual
1 chain of vapor
4 silence
4 duress
4 ponder
4 infernal tutor
1 tendrils
3 preordain
1 ill gotten gains
4 LED
4 petals
2 SDT
1 karakas
2 underground sea
1 tundra
1 scrubland
1 swamp
1 plains
2 island
3 polluted delta
1 flooded strand
2 marsh flats
sb
2 extirpate
1 karakas
1 virtue's Ruin
3 Dread of Night
1 wipe away
1 chain of vapor
2 tendrils
2 defence grid
2 disfigure
the reasons if the white is chan effects and karakas which can win games with reanimator and sneak and show and also bounces thalia and teeg that's why i maindeck a CoV main too. I decided to split the discard/chants ad because i don't play R i don't play Past in flames and play IGG.. The SDTs are because of many Tempo decks i'll face and i'd love to have them althought the many other cantrips..
Any ideas would be welcomed! ;)
Just copy/pasting ideas from DDFT won't be good. If you want to play SDT to improve tempo decks, then you need an engine that will allow you to go off in the late game for that SDT to be good. That means you need to play past in flames since it is far better than IGG agaisnt blue.
CoV is a bad main deck card when there is no way to tutor for it. You'll loose much more games because of it than win game ones because of it.
Karakas is nice in Doomsday as the 18th land. Here as a 15th land that's not a good idea. With so few lands you really want to maximize possibilities of either going off early or start cantripping on turn one. Also you can't tutor for it unlike DD.
Karakas is also less good now because of griselbrand.
You're right i took some ideas like karakas from DDFT i'm playing and i tried to place it in ANT.. At my ANT lists i always had a CoV and a SDT main and i thought a second SDT would be good against tempo and control as far as i know from playing fetchland tendrils..
To tell you the truth as far as i have tested this is worst than DDFT which was in my mind to play but i wasn't sure :/
About karakas you are right too that makes the manabase much worse but at the testing it helped me a lot when i got it against maverick especially and reanimator without Griselbrand..
thanks for the advice lejay ;)
If it helped you a lot against maverick essentially then it's sideboard material.
Reanimator without griselbrand isn't valid consideration when deckbuilding.