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How is Sinkhole even considered? Seem's much, much worse than Winter Orb ... Even blowing up a basics.... (I own 4 of each)
Isn't W'Orb the perfect anti-miracles card? Not considering other shitty/random MU's we may face?
I am planning to rock a very normal TA list +1 library +1 lili
IS 3 W'Orb tooo much? MY
It's not such a weird idea. Consider how many games you win by Hymning away a land and Wasting the other. If you would also play Sinkhole and Stifle, think how hard you can manascrew them. And back in '08 we had no Deathrites or Delvers, so we focussed more on disruption anyway.
Putting Sinkhole back in the board to battle decks that need their land drops does make sense. Sort of. But yeah Winter Orb could take its place as well. I personally don't play full blown mana denial, but I can see its value.
Not only was Sinkhole good at manascrewing someone, but it could really color screw someone. Think about the tri color decks like Esper that play a few basics. They fetch up a basic island to play around Wasteland then get say a Scrubland. If you Sinkhole the Island, you've made it significantly harder for them to reach UU (key since Jace is a real problem for us).
what 4 cards in the sideboard do you propose to take out for sinkholes?
If you are running 4 sinkholes you aren't so much replacing 4 cards as you are overhauling your postboard plan. All 75 work together. You are probably adding another black source to your main, leaning more on soft permission like spell pierce, and rethinking the entire board.Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
Here are 3 lists that run Sinkhole in the sideboard. 2 are more recent and 1 is NiteWolf's GP Denver 6th place list from about a year ago:Quote:
Originally Posted by KobeBryan
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=9908&iddeck=72239
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12213&iddeck=89508
http://www.tcdecks.net/deck.php?id=12435&iddeck=91141
Split the finals of an IQ today with the following list:
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Tombstalker
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Force of Will
2 Liliana of the Veil
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Daze
4 Underground Sea
2 Bayou
1 Tropical Island
4 Polluted Delta
1 Misty Rainforest
4 Verdant Catacombs
4 Wasteland
SB: 1 Krosan Grip
SB: 3 Golgari Charm
SB: 2 Submerge
SB: 1 Sylvan Library
SB: 3 Spell Pierce
SB: 3 Disfigure
SB: 1 Vendilion Clique
SB: 1 Liliana of the Veil
No GY hate because you can beat Reanimator and Lands without them and Dredge isn't much of a thing anymore. If I were to play GY hate, I'd play Surgical. Liliana is also too insane vs. Delver/TNN as well as being fine vs. Storm/Sneak and Show.
I'm playing more Submerge for the mirror/Elves. Golgari Charm is just too good not to play as a 3 of as it helps in our worser match-ups. If Miracles/Sneak and Show get more popular, I'd play Needle.
As far as Sinkhole goes, it doesn't match up well with DRS so I'm not playing it. Winter Orb is also a situational card and I don't think there are enough hard control decks to warrant playing it.
You didn't run into any miracles today huhQuote:
Originally Posted by akatsuki
That's awesome Akatsuki. Congrats. Was wondering do you ever find yourself siding in any amount of Golgari Charm for the second mode for matchups besides miracles, like Sneak and Show?
On the topic of Miracles, I feel that it will be hard for that deck to have a real upsurge in popularity because its pretty hard to play well and the deck can go to time easily. If you guys ever run into it at your local meta though by all means play 1 or 2 Winter Orb. Still, even if I ever do run into it in an open or something, I'm confidant enough that the Team America sideboard is flexible enough for the match-up to at least be manageable. From my experience playing on Cockatrice the matchup seems pretty even though. Doesn't seem like a blow out on either side really.
I won a 5 round event today that then cut to top8. My list:
4 Deathrite Shaman
4 Delver of Secrets
4 Tarmogoyf
2 Tombstalker
4 Ponder
4 Brainstorm
4 Hymn to Tourach
4 Abrupt Decay
4 Daze
4 Force of Will
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Sylvan Library
Board:
3 Disfigure
2 Golgari Charm
2 Spell Pierce
2 Grafdigger's Cage
1 Creeping Tar Pit
1 Liliana of the Veil
1 Null Rod
1 Krosan Grip
1 Vendilion Clique
1 Life from the Loam
I plan on playing the same list at SCG LA next weekend. The only changes I might make, are either one more Golgari charm, or a maelstrom pulse in the board, in place of either loam or cutting one disfigure.
So today I went 10-0-2 in matches, 20-3 in games at SCG Seattle. This deck is ok. Tournament report forthcoming (although I need to figure out how SCG decides their guest-writer thingy).
Congrats! That's awesome!Quote:
Originally Posted by phazonmutant
http://sales.starcitygames.com//deck...p?DeckID=64858
Congrats and well done! Too bad I couldn't stay up to watch the top 8 (stupid West Coast being hours behind the rest of us!) - I'll catch the replay later on today.
Had a blast watching you battle on camera! Your list seems very experimental as if it was designed to test DC vs TS vs TNN and TS vs Hynm, was that the case? Can not wait to hear your thoughts of the numbers and where to go from here. Congrats!Quote:
Originally Posted by phazonmutant
Congrats! Managed to catch games 2 and 3 in the finals. Especially game 3 was very exciting :)Quote:
Originally Posted by phazonmutant
Congrats Greg! Looking forward to the reportQuote:
Originally Posted by phazonmutant
Grats Greggerpoo!
In my experience, SCG doesn't reach out to you to write the Leaving a Legacy thingies. You should tweet at Cedric (since he's the content coordinator for SCG) or email him and 'splain "Hey, I won! I wanna write stuff!" and he will get back to you with a contract thingie and a due date. The sooner you ping him, the better. I think that due date is locked into their publishing schedule or something. Anyways, start writing ahead of time! Even if they poopoo you and don't approve it or whatever, you can still post it here! But I'm pretty sure they will publish it, no problem.
Congrats again! You need to drink a pizza bracket beer out of that trophy!
Great job Greg!
It's funny, I've actually found myself defending your list to people even though mine is quite different. All of the cards you played are cards I've considered and they're basically fulfilling similar roles while giving your opponent's more of a headache when deciding what to play around/how to SB.
My list focuses more on consistently drawing the cards I feel are good in the metagame.
Also I went 3-2 vs. BBD"s Miracles list this past week. I think the match-up is fine.
Finally, I bring in 2 Charms vs. Sneak and Show for their Blood Moons/Leylines/Sneak Attacks.
Greg Mitchell, I knew I recognized the name from somewhere but I couldn't figure it out. Congrats phazonmuTant, well played sir.
Nice job Greg! I played you yesterday in the legacy trial. Beat you but my luck ran out then. I lost to joe lossett on camera on account of not using checklist cars for delver. Judge gave me a game loss. So frustrating. Deck was awesome to play though!Quote:
Originally Posted by HammafistRoob